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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:58 PM
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*** Clinton gets Des Moines Register Endorsement ***
No fewer than three candidates would, by their very identity, usher the nation to the doorstep of history. Should the party offer the nation the chance to choose its first woman president? Or its first black president? Or its first Latino president?

Or should the party place its trust in two senators, Joe Biden or Chris Dodd, who have served their nation with distinction for more than 30 years each? Or should it heed John Edwards’ clarion call to restore opportunity for all Americans?

Beyond their personal appeal, the candidates have outlined ambitious policy proposals on health care, education and rural policy. Yet these proposals do little to help separate the field. Their plans are similar, reflecting a growing consensus in the party about how to approach priority issues.

The choice, then, comes down to preparedness: Who is best prepared to confront the enormous challenges the nation faces — from ending the Iraq war to shoring up America’s middle class to confronting global climate change?

The job requires a president who not only understands the changes needed to move the country forward but also possesses the discipline and skill to navigate the reality of the resistant Washington power structure to get things done.

That candidate is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.


Rest here: http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215018
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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1. Shit..that sucks.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:02 PM
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16. It's awesome but the Boston Globe went with Obama
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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28. I just wanted Joe to get it...
but maybe it's better he didn't, since they have never picked a winner?
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:27 PM
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110. Until you read the Globe's pathetic endorsement of Obama
The Globe sullied themselves with their absurd endorsement, trying to turn Obama's failings into virtues with inanities like 'experience is constraining'.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:08 AM
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123. Seriously, the Globe is off the rails with that endorsement
Especially since they apparently never even considered any of the other candidates:

"In our view, the choice on the Democratic side is between Obama and Hillary Clinton..."

WTF?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:53 PM
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119. WHAT A WONDERFUL SURPRISE! DMR ENDORSES HILLARY!
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 11:55 PM by Tellurian
Excellent analysis:

"Beyond their personal appeal, the candidates have outlined ambitious policy proposals on health care, education and rural policy. Yet these proposals do little to help separate the field. Their plans are similar, reflecting a growing consensus in the party about how to approach priority issues.

The choice, then, comes down to preparedness: Who is best prepared to confront the enormous challenges the nation faces — from ending the Iraq war to shoring up America’s middle class to confronting global climate change?

The job requires a president who not only understands the changes needed to move the country forward but also possesses the discipline and skill to navigate the reality of the resistant Washington power structure to get things done.

That candidate is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.


From working for children’s rights as a young lawyer, to meeting with leaders around the world as first lady, to emerging as an effective legislator in her service as a senator, every stage of her life has prepared her for the presidency.

That readiness to lead sets her apart from a constellation of possible stars in her party, particularly Barack Obama, who also demonstrates the potential to be a fine president. When Obama speaks before a crowd, he can be more inspirational than Clinton. Yet, with his relative inexperience, it’s hard to feel as confident he (Barack Obama) could accomplish the daunting agenda that lies ahead.


Very succinct analysis. Hammer, Nail, Head!
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:05 AM
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142. But, but, but, Obama said
'He doesn't want to be the President of red America, and he doesn't want to be the President of blue America; He wants to be the President of the UNITED STATES of America!!'

That's so inspirational!!! He should be President.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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2. I'm shocked.
Really.

:sarcasm:
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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3. WOW.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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4. BOOOOOOOOOO!
x(

rigged
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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27. RECOUNT!! RECOUNT!!
were all the absentee ballots counted? x(
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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5. Congrats, Clinton supporters
:toast:
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:03 PM
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18. Wooo Hooo
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:03 PM
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19. very classy sentiment
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:05 PM
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25. Thank you.
I'd have done the same if it was another candidate other then one I supported as well.

Next round is on me.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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6. The Gannett Corporation stands and applauds
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:59 PM
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7. This is a joke, right? n/t
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
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Shocked at this cynical move by the DMR.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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26. They didn't want
Dennis Kucinich in the debate, either..and someone called them a right wing rag..and when all this endorsement speculation of Edwards came up..I thought, "how could they be right wing"?
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
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8. Well, see how it helped John Edwards four years ago.
He came in second.

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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:18 PM
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62. He was out before this and it brought him way up
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
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9. Picked the most pro-war candidate. nm
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
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10. That's great! I'm glad. She's a great candidate and will be an ever better president.
(Putting flame suit on now).
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
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11. Sooooprise! I really hoped Biden would get it. This is the first Hillary break in ages.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:03 PM
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17. But, they have never picked a "kingmaker" either...
so in a way, it's good for Biden...I just don't agree with the reasons they picked her at all.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:12 PM
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49. I thought Biden might get it, I thought he might be a compromise of sorts
sending a message that competency mattered without taking sides among the top three. Obviously I guessed wrong.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:01 PM
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12. They have set the tone!
She is the ONE!
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:04 PM
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21. She is
"The Register, Iowa’s statewide newspaper, calls McCain and Clinton the candidates it believes are most competent and ready to lead.
Advertisement

“With dissension at home and distrust abroad, as American troops continue to fight wars on two fronts, the times call for two essential qualities in the next American president,” the Register’s editorial board concluded. “Those qualities became the paramount considerations in making endorsements for the Democratic and Republican nominees in the 2008 Iowa caucuses.

“The times call for competence. Americans want their government to work again.
The times call for readiness to lead. Americans want their country to do great things again. They’ll regain trust in their government when they see a president make that happen.”"

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215016
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:07 AM
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122. You bet she is!
I love your moonlight dancers..

:toast:

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:01 PM
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13. Booo...lol
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:02 PM by loveangelc
Will it really make that big of a difference? we'll have to wait and see.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:02 PM
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14. Yuck.
They bow to the Washington Power Structure. That is sad.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:02 PM
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15. Boy are they uninformed
:rofl:
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:04 PM
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20. infinitely corrupt....... of course hillary won..
:eyes:
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:04 PM
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23. Must be because their board is all women
Woo Hoo

Hillary is my 44
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:37 AM
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153. THAT COMMENT Was Actually Stated On C-Span This AM!! I'm Not
saying it's really a factor, but I watch C-Span more than MSM! I prefer "alternative" news myself and am GLAD my husband talked me into getting a DISH, even IF the rates keep going up!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:04 PM
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22. Sat around waiting for the endorsement all day...I havent felt this let down in awhile
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:05 PM
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24. quiet you got the Globe
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:09 PM
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42. No, I wont be quiet.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:10 PM
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45. ok make noise then
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:20 PM
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67. Also look at the paper's track records in 2004
The Register went with Edwards, the Globe with Kerry.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #67
78. Cant read much into the Globe going with Kerry
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:39 AM
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154. Actually per 2004 accounts, the Kerry campaign did not count on getting it
They were extremely nervous about the Globe biography - that was labeled by the reporters who knew him best, but excluded Oliphant, his ally on the paper and the one who really knew him best. This is the paper that being given the first question in his press conference announcing he had cancer and that he was scheduled for surgery, called him a liar for not telling them 2 weeks early when the reporter told him he looked bad.

As to how supportive consider that there book took Kerry's answer to Morey Safer in 1971 as to whether he wanted to be president and chopped off the last phrase where Kerry was saying that protesting Vietnam could make that impossible - but that it was important. (The answer was "yes, but there are important things to do and I don't know if I can do them and keep people happy enough with me." They cut it at them - and that sentence in the paper and book were quoted more widely than the publicly available 60 minutes. It is important as it counters many RW smears.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. I like that analogy
for obvious reasons. :evilgrin:
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. Just remember... it had no influence on the voter's pick last time.


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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:07 PM
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34. I was hoping for Biden - But you got a BIG surprise from the Boston Globe! -nt
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:08 PM
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36. I hear ya....
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:11 PM
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46. No biggie
Iowans will do what they will do regardless. The Edwards endorsement in 2004 was much bigger because he was just starting to catch fire on the stump and the DMR validated him. Can't see the same dynamic here.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:12 PM
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51. But the DMR is playing up the experience argument
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:20 PM
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68. They also throw a nice compliment Obama's way
==That readiness to lead sets her apart from a constellation of possible stars in her party, particularly Barack Obama, who also demonstrates the potential to be a fine president. When Obama speaks before a crowd, he can be more inspirational than Clinton.==

People this time around value the ability to change government for the better over experience (and what is Hillary's experience advantage, anyway?)...don't worry.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 PM
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83. The headline may be the only thing to catch people's attention.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #68
114. Yes
I actually thought the DMR did a nice job of endorsing Hillary, Edwards and Obama in the article.

They played up each candidate's strong points nicely, I had hoped when I read it that it would heal things a little --but of course then I returned to DU and saw the deluge.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #68
136. one word: "knowledge"..
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #22
58. I feel the same way. Kind of like a mini version of those 2000/2004 feelings..
I'm wondering if I have the heart for this crap anymore. It hurts too bad when you realize it's all a game and the corporations win, period. ::sighs::: I could've clapped for any endorsement but the one they made.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. They supported Bradley in 2000 - look where that got him. Don't worry - Iowans will speak -nt
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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29. But...But...But...Oprah......
They are supposed to say Obama cause of oprah...
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:08 PM
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35. LOL
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. This is Oprah's on the stump for Obama..........
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:14 PM
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55. cute
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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30. Congrats to the Clinton supporters and to the rest - DMR's record for actually picking the winner of
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:10 PM by Pirate Smile
the caucuses or nomination has been pretty bad so don't sweat it.

They endorsed Edwards in 2004 and Bradley in 2000.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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32. This line is laughable (inside)
"The choice, then, comes down to preparedness: Who is best prepared to confront the enormous challenges the nation faces — from ending the Iraq war to shoring up America’s middle class to confronting global climate change?"

Preparedness? Being married to Bill Clinton? Is this preparedness by osmosis?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:08 PM
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37. She's well prepared to support and fund the war.
Is that the same thing?
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #37
70. Snap!
:toast:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:25 PM
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75. Yep, she has experience where that's concerned!! nt
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. Maybe she convinced them that it was her, not Bill who was running the country
hahaha.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:07 PM
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33. Actually I think this is good for Edwards
They specifically mention his "His harsh anti-corporate rhetoric", which to the editors was a bad thing. But I think its going to reinforce his populist appeal, in Iowa, a state struggling over jobs lost too outsourcing. This endorsement just affirms that Clinton will be diplomatic with the corporations and not try to take them on.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #33
60. Oh, I didn't see that line! ::runs back to read it all:::
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:10 PM
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106. The Edwards slam is the best part
"Edwards was our pick for the 2004 nomination. But this is a different race, with different candidates. We too seldom saw the “positive, optimistic” campaign we found appealing in 2004."

That's what I've been saying. Edwards slings mud too much.

The far left wants war with corporations but most people don't. People object to corporations running Washington like they have been for the last seven years. But people also understand that we need corporations and we have to work with them. Edwards doesn't have enough balance to appeal to the broader population.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #106
118. I think the people who lost their jobs due to corporate profits
Are angry and John is channeling their anger into a passionate desire to take them on. Just because a newspaper doesnt like that attitude doesnt mean the Iowa voters wont.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #118
121. Corporations are governed by legislation..
amend the legislation and NAFTA.. and you've got them by their corporate tools.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #106
155. Wrong on the wrong meter. Edwards is saying that playing nice hasn't gotten the American
people health care, jobs or a cleaner environment.

If playing nice got the job done we would have seen the results.


Playing nice got him second banana in 04 and got him a top of the ticket candidate who turned the other cheek and played nice and couldn't get enough votes to overcome a stolen election.


Show me the mudd....creeksneakers2.......show me the links.......show me the money......or just stifle

Your words are just that.....emepty rhetoric you can not substantiate.


if we get Clinton or Obama in the WH, then you and I have to meet sometime again in the future and you will then have the opportunity to show me the jobs, show me the health care and just show me.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:42 AM
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156. Well, Let's Give Credit To Edwards For Going Forward With His Message
about Corporations! I'm sure he knows the "big guys" don't like what he's saying and they really can't stand the "thought" of Edwards being the nominee.

It does seem to be what those in power think and THIS is what has led to why so MANY Americans think we're on the wrong track. MORE of the same Corporate & Lobbyists attitude will never change if it NEVER STOPS!!!

Go, Johnny, GOOOOOOOOOO!
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:08 PM
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38. Congratulations
While it seems that it was Obama, Edwards, Biden Clinton just swooped in and nabbed it.

Congratulations. :party:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:09 PM
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39. I have always been bothered by the power of newspaper endorsements
Since the view point of a very small group of people carries such influence through them. Sometimes in fact it is the weight of the publisher alone who can swing an endorsement.

I still stand by those feelings, but some newspaper editorial staffs take their responsibilities more seriously than others, and I get the impression that is true of the Des Moines Register. This is a well stated editorial and it captures the essential essence of the case to be made for Hillary.

I found the ending of the editorial informative of their thinking:

"Indeed, Obama, her chief rival, inspired our imaginations. But it was Clinton who inspired our confidence. Each time we met, she impressed us with her knowledge and her competence.

The times demand results. We believe as president she�ll do what she�s always done in her life: Throw herself into the job and work hard. We believe Hillary Rodham Clinton can do great things for our country."


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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:09 PM
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40. Wow. I like what they wrote. Nice. Congrat Hil, good for you.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:14 PM by annie1
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:29 AM
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127. welcome to DU annie1
agreed- if anyone deserved their endorsement it is Hillary!

:toast:
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:09 PM
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41. Well, if you had to reason backwards from and HRC nod, this was about the best case to make
The notion of experience has been and is being brilliantly played by the HRC campaign. Dick Morris, who has NOT endorsed Obama or anyone else in the Democratic primaries, to my knowledge, gave a very candid assessment though, of just what the travels of being First Lady entailed (Elephant rides, skating with another head-of-state's wife, etc). Most major leaders aren't going to seriously try to strike a deal with a First Lady as that would be a loss of prestige. Smaller more desperate figures, by my estimation, might be different.

Actually, if you use the yardstick of experience, NONE of the three top contenders really have a long track record in power positions in DC. Bill Richardson has a very strong resume but wasn't mentioned.

My endorsement: Obama in 08. But he faces a huge hurdle with the front-ending of the primaries on Tsunami Tuesday (TT).
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:12 PM
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50. But momentum could carry him on TT as well -nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:15 AM
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124. I think his momentum just hit a stone wall!
Obama was pretty "cocky" in the DMR debate..

And "sweetie" Edwards tried forgetting his months long ignorant attacks on Hillary, like it never happened.

The DMR hit both of these shameful wanna bees right between the eyes!

BULLSEYE!
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:58 AM
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129. So these 2 Democratic candidates are "shameful?" Only HRC is honorable?
That's where you and I would differ. I see differences in the candidates, but I don't see a single one as being "shameful." That's where primary fighting goes over the top, imo.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:42 AM
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141. Hillary, in case you hadn't noticed has run a positive campaign..
Edwards and Obama, especially Obama lost many supporters with his politics of (false) HOPE! His clean campaign didn't stay clean very long, did it? Yes, lying people into believing you're somehow different from politics as usual is exposed when actions speak louder than words.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #41
107. Dick Morris is an idiot
and a sleaze bucket too!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:11 PM
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47. THE ESTABLISHMENT STRIKES BACK
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:11 PM
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48. honestly I was really expecting Edwards. n/t.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:13 PM
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52. me too.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:13 PM
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53. Congrats Clinton supporters
I'm kind of surprised, I expected it to go to Biden or Edwards.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:18 PM
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64. Thanks we can use good news now and then
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:36 PM
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91. We all can
And DU isn't usually the place to find it either. ;)
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:13 PM
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54. Hardly shocking
From the paper who wouldn't even let the best candidate into their phony debate.

Enjoy it Hillbots....... It might be your last chance to celebrate.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:18 PM
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63. Good point. nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:25 PM
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74. Word.
:thumbsup:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:26 PM
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77. One can hope
poison pill, she is
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #54
80. Why Do You Insult A Whole Group Of People?
"Hillbots"

I'll await your response and then calibrate my response to your response...
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:38 PM
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94. Tonight, my problem is with the Des Moines Litterbox Liner
I might have a little more respect for their decision, whether I agreed with it or not, if they had been fair to Dennis Kucinich. They were not, so I can't take this endorsement very seriously, nor do I expect it will undo the damage that Hillary's own employees (Mark Penn, Shaheen, and that other asswipe who circulated the OBAMA IS A MUSLIM TERRRAIST LUNATIC e mail) have done to her so-called inevitability.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:29 PM
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81. Your graciousness is remarkable.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:31 PM
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87. Why should a DK fan give a shit about what the DMR has to say?
They let Alan Fuckin Keyes in, but not DK.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:32 AM
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140. You're right
DK fans have much bigger things to worry about.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:53 PM
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104. well are you just lovely
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:23 AM
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125. Oh yes, Kucinich/Paul would be such an amazing ticket.
Enjoy your 2% in Iowa.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:08 AM
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143. Are you still stuck in two weeks ago?
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 03:09 AM by Kucinich4America
Didn't you get the memo from RimJob? This week's talking points were about "Obama the coke fiend".

Thanks to the Gannett fishwrapper, I'm sure there will be some fresh Edwards bashing script for you on Monday.
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 10:31 AM
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145. Nah, I only "bash" the Democratic candidates who would make shitty presidents
Clinton and Kucinich.

How did the Kucinich money drive go? Did it do as well as his VPs drive?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:27 AM
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148. What do you mean...Hillary was in the debate?...nt
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:14 PM
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56. Iowans will have a big surprise for the DMR - it WON'T be Hillary Clinton. Bank on it. -nt
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:23 PM
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72. At least judging from the comments posted by the DMR's readers,
Iowans might be a bit underwhelmed by the endorsement.
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:14 PM
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57. Great Job Hil!!!
:toast:
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:16 PM
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59. Congratulations to the Clinton Campaign
I wonder if this is enough to stop the Clinton Free Fall?
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:19 PM
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65. how many of their endorsements actually win?
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:22 PM
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71. none as of late i think. nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:36 PM
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92. Here is their record:
The Register endorsed John Edwards in 2004....Bill Bradley in 2000....No one in 1992....Paul Simon in 1988...
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:19 PM
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66. A rather tongue in cheek endorsement....
Regardless.... Congrats to Hillary fans!
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:26 PM
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76. Especially this line
Indeed, Obama, her chief rival, inspired our imaginations. But it was Clinton who inspired our confidence. Each time we met, she impressed us with her knowledge and her competence.

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215018
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:32 PM
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88. oh ya that, but what about these zingers...
Unfortunately, for many Americans, perceptions of Clinton, now 60, remain stuck in a 1990s time warp. She’s regarded as the one who fumbled health-care reform as a key policy adviser to her husband, President Bill Clinton, or as a driving force in the bitter standoff between the “Clinton machine” and the “vast right-wing conspiracy.”


and this one:

Can she inspire the nation? Clinton is still criticized in some quarters as being too guarded and calculating. (As president, when she makes a mistake, she should just say so.)
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:20 PM
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69. how do you know which is a good endorsement and which isn't?
I never can tell. Well except that if they support your candidate that is good of course.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:32 PM
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89. I believe its the biggest paper in Iowa.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:23 PM
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73. DMR **HURTS** Hillary
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:24 PM by democrat2thecore
All this does is raise expectations. Iowa will not go with Hillary Clinton and the raised expectations (because of this endorsement) will just make the deflation even worse. "Even with the state's biggest newspaper behind her," etc.

This is NOT just spin. I honestly believe this.


edit to correct spelling error
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 PM
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82. Dont think so.
There had been a death watch being organized against Hillary of late. All that talk of a glass jaw and her campaign imploding and and and...

I think anyone in her position would gleefully accept the trade off of slightly raised expectations in return for this type of news momentum shift at this point in the election cycle.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:33 PM
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90. We'll see -nt
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:52 PM
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102. Your "beliefs" and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee at a Starbucks in Des Moines.
:rofl:
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:22 PM
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109. Whatever that means - Guess I'm not allowed to give my "beliefs" but you ARE? -nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 PM
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84. Gads, everybody.. go back to the link and read all the posts pouring in about the
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:31 PM by K Gardner
endorsement, LOL.
Edited to add: The Link for the DesMoines Register in the OP
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:59 AM
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130. Did they all sign off as Obama supporters..
or did some of them just pretend?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:02 AM
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132. Oh look, Hillary is 44.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #132
138. Yup, and you can also look how long I've been here..You just showed up 5 min ago..
with a mouthful of tripe!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 PM
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85. This is great for Hillary and terrible for Edwards. I predict it will now be a 2-person race.
Hillary and Obama.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:45 PM
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96. It is terrible for our country. They just condoned politics as usual. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:51 PM
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100. Our country and Edwards. n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:28 AM
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149. I think it's been a two person race for about 2 months now...
Edwards hasn't moved at all there in a very long time!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:31 PM
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86. The Clintons wined and dined the Des Moines Register staff and Hillary had dinner with Yepsen.
Guess politics as usual wins another endorsement. And the endorsement seems to endorse politics as usual, too -- using Hillary's knowledge of Washington
politics as a REASON to support her.

Sorry, but the Des Moines Register is not speaking for me and thousands of supporters of Obama and Edwards in Iowa. I doubt this endorsement will make
much difference.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:02 AM
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133. And what did Obama do to get the Boston Globe endorsement?
Call Deval Patrick and tell him to endorse Hillary because it may look strange seeing we're buds and all?

:rofl:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:36 PM
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93. That endorsement means a lot!
Here's their proven record of FAIL.

1984: Walter Mondale
1988: Paul Simon
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: John Edwards
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:16 PM
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108. Who did they endorse in 1996?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:41 AM
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128. And Mondale *did* get the nom in '84.
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 12:51 AM by Aya Reiko
-edit-

They didn't endorse anyone in '92, but backed Dole in '96 and Chimpy in 2000.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:29 AM
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150. So Mondale did get the nod in 1984...
And Edwards came in a very surprising and strong second in 2004...

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:45 PM
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95. Congrats to Team Hillary, both on the ground and here at DU.
Its a good day for you.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:46 PM
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97. Oh the horror, McClurkin wept n/t
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:49 PM
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98. Great news for Clinton
And well deserved.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:51 PM
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99. That's the fascist fucking fish-wrap that shut Dennis out, ain't it?
Figures they would endorse Clinton.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:04 PM
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105. Of course.
Americans aren't ready for real change yet.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:52 PM
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101. What? Do they have
their head up their collective ass?

"The choice, then, comes down to preparedness: Who is best prepared to confront the enormous challenges the nation faces — from ending the Iraq war to shoring up America’s middle class to confronting global climate change?"

3 issues hillary couldn't care less about..this is a tragic farce. Fucking 1984 dribble shit.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:52 PM
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103. and this statement just happens to coincide with Hill's latest talking point on 'experience'
right after Bill does Charlie Rose pushing the same line

I guess the Editors thought this was believable after a few dinners with the Clintons.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:07 AM
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134. No, I believe Bill's line was... Obama = "Rolling the dice for America!"
perfect analogy!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:33 PM
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111. Yay Hillary!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:33 PM
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112. :-)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:42 PM
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113. I don't give a damn who they indorse and neither should you.
Why should we let institutions that are funded and paid for through advertising dollars form our opinion?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:27 AM
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139. You're posting at one..
Are you leaving out of principle or pride?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:50 AM
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157. Not even oranges to apples. n/t
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:45 PM
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115. Congratulations, Senator Clinton!
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:37 PM
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116. Kick. n/t
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:45 PM
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117. Great news
K&R
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:02 AM
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120. Sweet!
(but I also noticed the presence of many other threads decrying this endorsement. Shame, that.)
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:25 AM
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126. K&R!
Life just doesn't gat any better than this. Unless of course your for Obama. :rofl:
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:19 AM
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137. um..or Edwards, or Biden, or Richardson, or...the rest of the contenders?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:00 AM
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131. Wow.
Good for her
About time she got some good news.

My DM Moles better plan on sending me a fruit basket.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:10 AM
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135. I really don't think newspaper endorsements count for that much these days anyhow.
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 01:15 AM by 48percenter
In the end, the voters make up their own minds. I still think Iowa will hold some surprises. Wait and see.

But I will say that Hillary is better than ANY of the Repube candidates. Remember that.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 07:32 AM
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144. Wonderful! Chris Matthews will need grief counseling.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 10:50 AM
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146. Thanks for posting.nm
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:13 AM
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147. K&R....great news!!!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:35 AM
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151. PATHETIC Journalistic PANDERING!! Wonder What Gives???
Maybe they just want to boost Clinton a bit to make things "more exciting!" I see from posts here that apparently her number have fallen according to "the polls." I also have heard on C-Span that MANY people in Iowa have yet to make up their mind so the polls may not indicate BE what is really happening?

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:36 AM
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152. "The choice, then, comes down to preparedness: "
No wonder they didn't go with Obama.
So... Clinton/Clark? Clinton/Richardson? ...even Clinton/Obama?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:55 PM
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158. What a riot!!
Now I see what I missed this weekend.
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