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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:05 PM
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HuffPo Charges Big Papers Sitting on recent Clinton Affair Story - I FOUND OUT WHO IT IS (Photo)

Lisa Belzberg

According to Huffington Post, Bill Robinson, the NY Times and the LA Times are sitting on a "Big Clinton Story" that involves his affairs since leaving the White House. Clearly a lot of Indie and other voters would not want to put Bill back in there to cheat again on national TV, just too plain old embarassing.

A Big Clinton Story


Look, I am concerned. I've just spent two weeks travelling and speaking with media elites in L.A., Chicago, NYC, and D.C. and among other things, I was repeatedly told that The New York Times and The L.A. Times are "sitting on a BIG Clinton story." What concerns me is that this story has nothing to do with Hillary, her policy positions, her record, or her presidential potential. The "big story" everyone is sitting on apparently has to do with the many current affairs of Bill Clinton, whom, they will allege, has a gal in every port.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-robinson/the-big-clinton-story_b_74391.html


With unfaves in the high 40s or low 50s, a few more points of voters who, if given the choice, don't want to put a philandering Bill Clinton back in the White House to humiliate the office.

The result is Hillary would be a weak nominee
and may not be able to win nationally with such a headwind. The newspapers are sitting on these alleged affairs, already reported in the press, perhaps until after the primaries and hoping to kill the Democrat's chances? This is from April 2002 and seems to be what the HuffPo was speaking of a few days ago:


Clinton linked with wealthy socialite


THE tangled love life of Bill Clinton was again under the microscope yesterday when he was romantically linked with a glamorous blonde.

A magazine photo showed the former president of the United States in an intimate pose with the Canadian socialite Lisa Belzberg, 38.

They were photographed by Newsweek in front of a refrigerator at her mansion in Katonah, New York. It rekindled long-standing speculation about the pair, who have been spotted together at a number of functions over the past year.

According to the New York Post, Ms Belzberg, a millionairess separated from her husband, the Seagram alcohol heir Matthew Bronfman, about a month ago following a liaison with Mr Clinton.

...

"Friends were stunned to see the photo of Clinton in front of Lisa’s stainless steel Sub-Zero refrigerator with Jonathan Alter’s cover story on the ex-president," the paper reported. The article claimed Mr Clinton and Ms Belzberg were involved in an encounter last month.

"She was seen flirting with Clinton at the Super Bowl party he hosted in his Harlem offices," it added. At the time Mr Clinton joked of his relationship with Ms Belzberg: "She married a guy worth $6 billion, but she still likes to flirt with me."

A spokeswoman for Ms Belzberg, who runs the educational organisation PENCIL , insisted that she has not been involved in another relationship since her split from Mr Bronfman. "There is no-one else," she said bluntly.

http://news.scotsman.com/billclinton/Clinton-linked-with-wealthy-socialite.2317821.jp

According to 6/12/02 Page Six of the New York Post: WHATEVER there was between Lisa Belzberg and Bill Clinton, it appears to be over. Belzberg, the brainy blonde behind the PENCIL nonprofit group that helps the public school system, was rumored to be more than friends with the former president, who lives just 10 minutes away from the mother of two in Westchester. "She's heartbroken," said one source. But there is little chance of reconciliation with her husband, Matthew Bronfman. The Seagram heir, who split with Lisa in February, is said to be very happily dating a fashion industry executive, Stacy Kaye.

Inside Politics 6/13/02: "The New York Post reported yesterday that the relationship between former President Bill Clinton and Lisa Belzberg 'appears to be over.' If we do the math, that means that Mr. Clinton and the pretty blonde socialite lasted seven weeks. "Tabloid rumors of a romance between the two appeared around April 23, claiming the pair met at a Christmas party last year. Mr. Clinton behaved like 'a big old hound dog' and later, trysts reportedly took place in mid-afternoons on the 24th floor of New York's chichi Hudson Hotel."



What is your political analysis? What if this reporting were announced after she had the nomination sewn up? What impact would it have? 3 points down? 5? 10? Or maybe you think she'd get some sympathy and gain more votes.

And what happens when they inevitably deny it? They lied on 60 Minutes about Gennifer Flowers and later admitted they lied, they lied on Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky.

The Clintons have no credibility when it comes to Bill's affairs.

I was shocked when I found this out. This is obviously the Big Clinton Story talked about on HuffPo. Why are they sitting on the story?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:07 PM
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1. this concerns me
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:08 PM
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2. A stainless steel refrigerator? Shocking!
:rofl:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:28 PM
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41. Sub-Zero, no less!
I just had a thought.

Maybe she is turned on by stainless Sub-Zero fridges.

Well, I have one of those myself.

Hmmm...

Bookmarking for later.

That pic is a keeper, if you know what I mean.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:38 PM
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51. probably sub-zero centigrade
In other words, one that can make ice.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:36 PM
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100. Actually, Sub-Zero is a brand.
They make commercial-grade appliances for the home.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:01 PM
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83. photographed by Newsweek in front of a refrigerator - lol - and Huff is pushing this? n/t
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:09 PM
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3. Maybe because the story is a rumor?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:10 PM
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4. I am no fan of Hillary but this is sickening
My first reaction is how sad it is that the actions of Hillary's spouse can be so important. He isn't running, she is. And if he is having an affair, that is Hillary's business, not the American public's.

It also seems odd that Rudy can be married I lost track of how many times and have an affair while in office, and use public money to drive his mistress around, but we are all in a flutter over Bill Clinton.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:13 PM
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11. I'd heard rumors about this woman before -- who knows? You make an
EXCELLENT point about Giuliani's affair getting a pass -- that DOES affect his candidacy, I think. This story, true or not, shouldn't have any bearing on Hillary's run.


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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:39 PM
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52. Who says Rudy's getting a pass?
His poll numbers have tanked since Judigate.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:50 PM
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72. Good - haven't been following his numbers, so I"m glad to hear that! nt
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:10 PM
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5. This is absolutely fair game in the primaries, and any paper sitting on it is playing
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:15 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
partisan politics, if there's anything there. And Hillary is my #2 candidate.

I don't think Bill and Hillary have a sexual relationship these days, and I doubt Bill is celibate, so he probably hasn't been a model husband since the White House.

So get it out there and see how it plays. If it's a big deal to people, better to know now.

The primaries are the place to air stuff, and I wouldn't criticize any candidate for raising this, or for any other scandal mongering type stuff. It's not like the other side won't, if it comes to that. Ignoring scandal in the primaries is a way to lose the general, but ever so politely.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:15 PM
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15. Oh bullshit. or rather dogshit
This poster has posted the exact same story at least once before, and she's a serial bullshit poster. The Robinson story is a month old.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:21 PM
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30. I'm not saying it's news...
And I am not speaking to the truth of the matter.

If any reputable publication were (hypothetically) sitting on information about Bill's extramarital love-life it should be published, is what I'm saying.

And I do not consider this sort of thing out of bounds in politics, unless there's a guarantee it would remain out of bounds forever, which it would not. I think it SHOULD be out of bounds, but I don't set the rules.

Seriously, I don't care if campaigns have private detectives checking on Bill, or Obama or Edwards... it's better than the alternative. God forbid Gary Hart had gotten the nomination in 1988 because newspapers were reluctant to raise stuff until the general when it would be a bigger story

And you KNOW I am a big defender of the Clintons.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:27 PM
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38. This poster posted the same thing recently
and that's partially why I object to this post. I hate this dishonest crap.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2399417
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:29 PM
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43. Fair enough. The repetition is not needed.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:31 PM
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46. I also think it matters if Bill's clout is taken so seriously.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:16 PM
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106. Do you feel they sme way abot Obama and drug stories? I haven't
heard anyone saying we should get that stupid story vetted during the primaries. Funny when someone criticizes Obama ...they be bad. Criticize Clinton...jump on the band wagon. That's the way it seems to me.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:10 PM
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6. Lied on 60 Minutes? When? nt
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:11 PM
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7. ot
what does 'nt' mean?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:13 PM
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10. No text or no thread. It's used so you don't have to open threads
when the entire message is in the title line.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:39 PM
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55. thank you 'nt'
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:34 PM
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99. You'll occasionally see "eom", which serves the same function:
eom=end of message
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:14 PM
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13. "No Text"
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:40 PM
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56. thanks nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:15 PM
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14. My dear loveangelc...nt means no text...and it goes here.
It's a courtesy to anyone reading the post that they don't need to look or click on that post, since everything is in the subject line.

You will see folks putting "nt" in the message part...that is wrong.

And...Welcome to DU!

:hi:
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:39 PM
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53. thanks you! n/t :-D
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:17 PM
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21. In 1992, both went on 60 Minutes and said Gennifer Flowers was not telling the truth
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:52 PM by Dems Will Win
That Bill did not have an affair with her. Years later he admitted that he did indeed have an affair with Gennifer Flowers.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:39 PM
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54. Here's the Gennifer Flowers history:


let's go to the videotape, shall we? On January 26, 1992, Bill and Hillary Clinton appeared on CBS's "60 Minutes" to confront Gennifer Flowers's lurid account of a 12- year love affair with the candidate in the supermarket tabloid the Star. According to the Wall Street Journal, Flowers was paid upwards of $140,000 for her story.

On CBS' "60 Minutes," Steve Croft asked Bill Clinton about Flowers' accusation of a 12-year affair. "That allegation," he replied firmly "is false."

In response to a backup question, Clinton added that both he and Flowers herself had previously denied the affair. He went on famously to acknowledge having "caused pain in my marriage," added that he trusted voters to understand what he meant by that, and indicated that he and Hillary would have nothing more to say about it.

In effect, Clinton had admitted adultery. Croft never asked the conclusive "have you ever" question, and Clinton certainly never answered it. Long before the CBS interview, Clinton was firmly on record as saying that he thought it out of bounds and would never under any circumstances answer it. It's been reported that he made that understanding an explicit condition of the "60 Minutes" interview.

In a contemporaneous ABC News poll, 73 percent of respondents said they agreed with Clinton that whether or not he'd ever had an extramarital affair was between him and his wife.

On the following day, Flowers herself held a press conference in a New York hotel ballroom. Dressed in a scarlet dress with matching lipstick, she played excerpts from tape-recordings of several telephone conversations with Clinton.

"Yes, I was Bill Clinton's lover for 12 years, and for the past two years I have lied about the relationship," she asserted. "The truth is I loved him. Now he tells me to deny it. Well, I'm sick of all the deceit, and I'm sick of all the lies."

Subjectively speaking, Flowers's demeanor struck many as that of an icy gold-digger who had never loved a man in her adult life.

Asked about her remarks at a Baton Rouge campaign stop that same day, Clinton commented, "She didn't tell the truth. She hired a lawyer a year ago -- a year and a half ago -- to say that anybody who says that was a liar and would be sued. And she admitted that she changed her position for money. Nothing happened in that press conference today to change that. My wife and I have said everything we have to say about this whole subject yesterday. As far as I'm concerned, it's a closed matter."

...

Clinton Deposed

Fast forward six years to January 1998. As a side-bar to l'affaire Lewinsky, some mischievous sprite leaked to the press the allegation that during his deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit, President Clinton admitted having sex with Gennifer Flowers. Immediately taken as gospel truth amid the general media freak-out over the Lewinsky tapes, the disclosure led to the remarkable spectacle of an unrepentant Flowers lecturing the president on sexual morality on "Geraldo" and "Larry King Live."

White House spokesman Mike McCurry told reporters that the president's testimony in the Jones deposition was perfectly consistent with what he'd said on "60 Minutes" in 1992.

Then, a few days later came the Clinton counter-leak. Time magazine reported that Clinton had testified to having had sex with Flowers one time in 1977. A dalliance, a fling, or a roll-in-the-hay, most would agree, but hardly a 12-year love affair. Flowers propositioned him on a later occasion, the president allegedly testified, but he turned her down.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/clinto15.html
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:44 PM
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64. Clinton Settled With Paula Jones For $850,000 on Nov. 13, 1998
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:48 PM
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68. Then of Course he Lied about this Lady and the Cigar and Everything
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:54 PM by Dems Will Win


Do you really want to go through this all over again, only in October of '08 and then lose the election to Rudolph Hitler?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:49 PM
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70. Do you really believe that ANYONE doesn't know about Gennifer Flowers?
I hate to tell you this, but none of this is news to anyone. If you think it is, you've apparently been living on another planet for the past 15 years.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:56 PM
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77. Your post is the Great Debunking of "Lied on 60 Minutes." nt
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:50 PM
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102. At least she's voting for Hillary!
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:53 PM
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75. All B Clinton said was he had caused pain in his marriage. H. Clinton was feistier-
on 60 minutes or on another occasion she said something to the effect, that if someone doesn't like the answer re personal life, then don't vote for him.


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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:22 PM
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33. "The Lie"
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:24 PM by democrat2thecore
It depends on how you look at it. On a few occasions Bill did outright say that he and Flowers had no sexual relationship. He later admitted that was not true. Ditto Monica. But I think what people remember, more than the actual "real lies," are the times when they would say, "They've been saying these kinds of things for years and we're still standing....they won't stop at anything....we're so used to this, we just laugh...." I think people remember all those times more than anything because the implication is/was that the stuff being said was untrue, when unfortunately, much of it was.

But, another way of looking at this is that for many people this will all be old news. But, then again, some will wonder about how it would look if Bill cheated on the president!

It will always be an issue, but all the candidates have something that the other side is ready to use to rally the swiftboaters.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:12 PM
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8. Errr.. it doesn't look like anyone is "sitting" on anything.. this seems to be pretty much
common knowledge. Did anyone really think Bubba, god love his heart, would change? Bill isn't the one running this time, so it makes no difference to me. Gads, the Europeans really think we're frail for fomenting over this type of 'socializing'.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:12 PM
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9. This could play either way....
You suppose Hillary might get some sympathy votes?
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:15 PM
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18. If she divorced him
she'd get my vote.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:42 PM
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60. But then there would be no...
..."two for one". :shrug:
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:43 PM
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62. That would be refreshing.
My estimation of her would go up if she did.

She might find someone nice who will treat her decently.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:14 PM
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12. From April 2002????
This looks like an incredibly old story. It shouldn't be brought up now.

http://www.pagesix.com/story/bill+and+lisa+photo+op
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:15 PM
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16. It's NEWS to me!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:25 PM
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34. wow. what a whopper. You posted a thread almost identical to this one- including pic
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:29 PM
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45. Nice catch.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:31 PM
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47. Yeah, serial liars deserve to be hoisted on their own petards
nothing pisses me off more than the kind of gossip monger the OP is. And she's been called out for it on several occasions.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:52 PM
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74. This thread is certainly proof of that.
As I said elsewhere in the thread, it's like the OP is looking for a job with the National Enquirer.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:55 PM
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76. You can't even get my gender correct...
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:17 PM
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122. this kind of deceiving is sickening to me
look how sincere the OP sounds. "What is your political analysis?" my fucking ass! It's a smear job! :mad:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:40 PM
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57. Nice
:thumbsup:
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:04 PM
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85. So it is the OP who is lying to us. How sad. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:08 PM
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104. Great find!
I love when people like this get exposed.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:15 PM
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17. please document your statements about lies
I don't recall any lies about those women.

Further, the statement from Clinton about this woman has NO real accusation in it. "She married a man worth six billion but she still likes to flirt with me." Wow. Not exactly damning, is it?????
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:19 PM
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25. Both he and Hillary lied about all his affairs, later they were forced to recant
You can look it up.

Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky - -it's called Google...
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:50 PM
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71. Paula was lying, not Bill
The security guards who were there told a different story than Paula. She changed her story many times. She said she was a victim of discrimination at her office but couldn't come up with any examples stronger than she didn't get flowers on secretary's day.

The biggest lie is the one that got her. She claimed Bill had a bent penis. He doesn't. Doctors certified that, as did Monica Lewinsky.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:04 AM
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111. I don't recall them lying.
I recall some women lying, and I recall some third parties lying. Some of Clinton's wording was tortured, but lying? Wasn't he protecting Lewinsky's maidenly honor when he said he didn't have sexual relations with her?

I don't know too many people outside of the GOP who are willing to still crucify Bill Clinton.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:16 PM
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19. This is great gossip! And if the story is true, it's an interesting story.
But President Clinton's fidelity issues are the concern of himself, Senator Clinton, Belzberg and Bronfman.

However, if the story is true, I do question the good judgement of President Clinton starting an affair(s) and risking scandal knowing that his wife was considering a run for office. He really does have a problem.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #19
89. I agree with you that he has a "problem"
If he's actively having an affair while Hillary runs for office. I wonder if deep inside he doesn't want her to win, so he's sub-conscientiously sabotaging things. :shrug:

I never really thought of the Clinton's as a lovey dovey couple (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I think if Bill's having an affair it's a non-issue (at least to me). If Bill and Hillary are happy with the way their marriage works, then good for them.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:17 PM
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20. The Independents that I know do not want to face four years of this.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:17 PM by amandabeech
They're sick of it, and it will be a real negative for them when they step into the booth in November, if the pubbies put up a non-lunatic.

The WaPo reported that Bill was in counseling for sex addiction. Maybe things are not going so well.

It really isn't any of our business, but it will be an issue.

Rudy has a cruddy past, but right now he's married and I haven't heard any rumors of current affairs. That's different from an openly wandering prospective First Gentleman.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
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81. Actually someone in Texas has claimed a recent affair with Rudy. Press did not seem interested nt
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:09 PM
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88. That's news to me.
Pass that along when the time comes.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:23 AM
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117. many dems I know don't either nt.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:18 PM
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22. Shej's very pretty
good for both of them, in the unlikely event this is true.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:37 PM
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50. Much so than Monica...IMHO. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:18 PM
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23. I'm shocked, SHOCKED! that the Huff Post would post an anti-Clinton story - NOT! nt
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:19 PM
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24. Why would they be having an affair in her kitchen with a photographer present?
Or am I missing something?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:21 PM
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28. My first reaction, too. I can't imagine Bill posing for pix of his philandering. nt
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:42 PM
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59. Yup.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:22 PM
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31. on edit: I think you read it correctly.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:23 PM by bunnies
Yeah. It doesnt make sense at all.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:22 PM
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32. IT was at a charity event in her home and said the pose was intimate
I have not seen the picture! If anyone has a link...
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:43 PM
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61. My. what a rumor monger you are.
Are you sure that you're on the right website?

Are you auditioning for a job with the National Enquirer?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:19 PM
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26. Former Clinton pal and fundraiser David Geffen said that Bill is still cheating
He said that Bill is still engaged in what he described as "reckless" personal behaviour.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:18 PM
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107. Poor David - Wonder how that Obama choice is working out for him...
All of Hollywood has been laughing their ass off at him and his sanctimonious "I am so important" crap and rumor mongering.

He is just a bitchy old queen who is now an even bigger bitchy old queen cause he backed a horse that turned out to be a homophob. Poor David, no fool like an old fool.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 07:53 PM
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132. At least he didn't rape or grope any women, like your boy Clinton did
There are homophobes and racists in the Clinton camp, so watch your back!
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:17 AM
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116. Link?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #116
131. Google it or do a search through DU archives
this topic has been discussed on this board before.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:20 PM
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27. You do realize that your "BREAKING NEWS" is five years old, right?
If you keep digging, maybe you'll find out that Hillary was a Republican in college.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:25 PM
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35. It seems to be NEWS to everyone here, including you...
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:28 PM
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40. In case it wasn't ridiculously obvious, I was referring to "BREAKING NEWS" facetiously.
Apparently, your sarcasm meter is broken.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:21 PM
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29. Hot damn! A bimbo eruption, we've missed them.

Does anyone know how bimbos are regarded in Iowa?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:25 PM
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36. People are going to think the Obama camp is responsible for this
n/t
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:27 PM
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39. oh yeah right.... Obama secretly slipped viagra into Bills orange juice.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:29 PM
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44. How could Obama be responsible for stories written by the NY Post, The NY Daily News,
CNN, and Newsweek FIVE YEARS AGO? BEFORE HE WAS EVEN ELECTED TO THE SENATE?
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:26 PM
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37. If this is true then the Clinton campaign better get in front of it now.
If she by chance wins the nomination then the republican opposition research teams will certainly be looking at this. This needs to be vetted.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:29 PM
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42. This will, of course, weaken her candidacy...
...just as Giuliani's multiple affairs forced him to abandon the race.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:33 PM
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48. Humiliate the office?
After Bush has shit all over it, that hardly seems possible.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:37 PM
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49. When are we going to grow up?
This RUMOR only has to do w/ the Clintons and what ever
"arrangement" they have, Chelsea Clinton, Ms. Belzberg and
her family and freinds.

And if Bill and Ms. B are sexually active ... I hope it is good for
both of them. And if Hillary is active .... I hope it is good for
her too. Not unless I am involved or if somebody is being hurt
I really don't care what other people do w/ their "junk."

Now about the

:bounce: :loveya: :hug:

"Botany felt her hot breath as she pushed him back against the sub zero 'fridge ....
Stephanie Miller just couldn't keep her hands off him. The afternoon sun light reflected
off the polished metal ....." :rofl:

BTW :hi: Steph


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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:40 PM
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58. people would not vote for Gore in 2000 because of Clinton's affair.
So I would say this is a story to sit on until the general election.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. bwahahaha.
:rofl: :rofl:

please.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:44 PM
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63. I'm worried that Clinton will sabatoge her campaign
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:44 PM by Marie26
Oh, I could so see him doing this. Publicly supportive & privately destructive. And don't tell me he wouldn't be that stupid. The Monica Lewinsky thing was totally stupid & self-destructive & that didn't stop him.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:17 AM
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115. I worry too. If he *did* have an affair with this blonde...
it means that he really is unable to help himself. And that is sad as hell.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:45 PM
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65. Anyone else notice that this Lisa looks a LOT like Bill?
I mean, they have very similar features! It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is dating a woman who is a female-Jerry.

I will also add that I don't particularly care about these people's private lives (not even Rudy's) -- I really want to know what they're going to do about Iraq, healthcare, jobs and education.
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kma3346 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:35 AM
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133. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw that picture!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:47 PM
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67. Can't be anything to this story.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:55 PM by NCevilDUer
She's much too attractive to be one of Bill's girls.

EDIT:
That said, it wasn't important back then, and is less so now. He's not the one who's running.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:48 PM
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69. ....
:puke:

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:56 PM
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78. I agree. nt
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:52 PM
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73. If there's an intimate pic, why hasn't someone posted it?
I call bullshit.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #73
80. It was in NEWSWEEK
but 5 years ago. If anyone has an old copy and a scanner...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. There's A Picture Of Them In Flagrante DeLicto
I want to see it...
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #80
87. So, it was already published in Newsweek five years ago, and you think it's NEWS?
You really need to find a new hobby.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #80
91. Soooo, a five-year-old pic proves recent activity?
I'm not an HRC supporter, but this is freakin' stupid.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. That's apparently the leap of logic being made in the OP.
An affair that was over in 2002, if it ever existed, is proof of Clinton's "multiple recent affairs."
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. In a world where a helium truck is a WMD, that fits right in. nt
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:22 PM
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96. Good point.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:28 PM
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98. Thanks for Reminding Me, Bill is having so affairs, forgot about BELINDA
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 PM by Dems Will Win


Clinton seen with new blonde


Mark Coleman In New York

BILL Clinton’s chequered love life became the source of fresh speculation yesterday after he was spotted with yet another blonde.

The former US president is reported to have shared an intimate dinner with Belinda Stronach, a married business woman.

According to reports, Mr Clinton, 56, wined and dined Ms Stronach, 35, the head of an international car parts company, in Toronto.

The pair have apparently struck up a cosy friendship and were caught embracing at the end of the evening.


"Clinton gave her a peck on the cheek before she got into her car," the New York Post reported. Another tabloid, the Daily News, pronounced that the two "had dinner and were seen embracing before they parted".

The papers said that the couple appeared to be fairly close, exchanging fond glances as they walked around the city.

Mr Clinton, who was in Toronto for a party honouring the musician Ronnie Hawkins, who has been diagnosed with cancer, twitched awkwardly with his mobile phone after realising that he and Ms Stronach, who was wearing a black dress and diamond necklace, were being followed by photographers.

The revelations are bound to renew consternation between Mr Clinton and his wife Hillary, to whom he has been married for 26 years.

Four months ago Mr Clinton was linked with another blonde socialite, Lisa Belzberg, 38, who is also a Canadian.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=173&id=1036682002


Remember this is all in the papers already! And the NY Post is owned by FOX!
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:11 PM
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105. THE STORY IS FIVE YEARS OLD. What part of that don't you get?
I have seen some obsessive people where the Clintons are concerned, but you, sir, take the cake.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. I am guessing his day job is
"special research" for William M. Scaife.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:58 PM
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79. Totally NOT surprised. n/t
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:02 PM
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84. After Dubya, I have to say I find it strange
that anyone would worry about Bill Clinton's philanderings embarrassing the White House. I mean, come on! After junior, what's left to embarrass?

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:06 PM
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86. If it comes out before the general it would sink Hillary against Rudolph Hitler
Just a few more points unfaves and she's totally unelectable. I don;t care who Bill boinks but he should have kept his pants Zipped at least until she got in!
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:21 PM
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95. I don't disagree, but I think anyone who believes
that old dog is going to change his ways is deluded. Getting back to my original point though, America and the executive branch of its government have been so badly damaged both nationally and internationally in the last seven years that it just strikes me as a mind bogglin' thang that even our admittedly ignorant electorate would worry about whose bones Bill jumps next. Even during the Monica thing, my European friends were aghast that America would make such an issue over whom a head of state, married or otherwise, screws. Then as now, I would think there are more important issues.

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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:12 PM
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90. Indeed! Why ARE they sitting on this story?? n/t
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #90
135. Perhaps because there is no proof
Responsible journalism for a change. Maybe that's it.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:14 PM
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92. It was silly enough to worry about who Clinton was banging as president
It is a quantum leap more irrelevant now. I have long had a suspicion Clinton uses all this nonsense to grab media attention and manipulate it, both to benefit his agenda and focus the public away from other concerns.

But, any way you slice it: You don't impeach a president over a soggy cigar....
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:28 PM
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97. You know when they say "this thread is useless without pictures"? Well,
in this case I was too distracted BY the picture to care about the article.

Remind me when Justine Bateman has something to say in public...




:9
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:12 PM
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101. nooooooo!-- the clenis is loose again!
:rofl:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:53 PM
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103. any pictures of the refrigerator?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #103
109. No, Darn! But it's in the April 8, 2002 issue of Newsweek
I'll go to the library and see if I can find it for you.

The article is called "View From The Ex-Presidency"

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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:41 PM
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110. Where is FauxNews and Heraldo when you... need them?
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:06 AM
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112. BORING, Gooliani Has Them, Romney Has Stacks of Wives
Your point?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #112
136. Romney - one wife
Only puke running that can make that claim
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:09 AM
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113. Boy, I'm sure another Bill Adultery Moment (or two or three) will help Democrats win the GE
Not.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:15 AM
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114. How could this be the story they're sitting on? This story was circulating...
so way back in the day. I remember her and remember this story. Unless they are sitting on more deets?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:52 AM
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118. kick
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #114
123. it's not
the OP is a liar
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:00 PM
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119. "The Clintons have no credibility when it comes to Bill's affairs."
You blame the wife for the husband's cheating? How 1950s of you.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:09 PM
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120. this is garbage
despite your excuses, and the guy at Huff Post's excuses, this is just a smear job.

:puke:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:12 PM
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121. So Hillary is damned if she reacts to his affairs and damned if she doesn't. Interesting.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:23 PM
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124. It's the wife's fault according to ObamaNation.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:28 PM
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125. I'm not for Obama and of course it's not Hillarys fault...
but if she says nothing or doesn't seem to care about it, what does that say about her? I don't know. Does it say anything?
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:54 PM
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126. The Huffing ton Post or Ariana
is dead set against Hillary and will say and do anything to demonize her. Venom oozes from her mouth everytime she speaks about her. She is a Republican just remember that and should not be trusted.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:20 PM
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127. The Clintons have obviously come to some sort of understanding.
It's none of our business, and has no effect on ability to govern.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:47 PM
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129. Unfortunately, it does have an effect on the electability of Hillary, as in removing it...
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:40 PM
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128. and the media and public will obsess over it for months
they'll probably release the story once the whole cia tapes things becomes a legal matter damaging to bush and kill two birds with one stone
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 05:10 PM
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130. Being banned from Free Republic isn't so bad when I can get
the same level of discussion right here at DU.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:04 AM
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134. Oh geez, they're going to start this rumor about every Democratic Candidate.
A month ago they were saying the same thing about Edwards. They claimed that some papers were sitting on a rumor about him. The Politico also tried the same thing with my candidate, Richardson. Both were proven to be false. I guess Obama and Biden are next in line. I'll believe this one when I see the real evidence. Besides the Big Dawg has a bum ticker and getting involved in an affair with the possible publicity hoopla over it could be a dangerous thing. I think he's wiser than that now.
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