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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:08 PM Original message |
The pickle in which Progressives/Liberals find themselves (and the only way out): |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. no money, no votes |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. That's right. And, we need to stand TOGETHER... |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. indeed |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:17 PM Original message |
That's the "allowing ourselves to be taken for granted" |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. perhaps we need to ask what would happen to the democratic leadership |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Think they might start listening? nt |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. if they don't then we might as well write off our republic/democracy |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. True that. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. no thank you. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Go right ahead. That's your right. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. stinks bad too |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. To high heaven. |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. Actually, I think we can take a useful example from the fundy nutjobs... |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Excellent post... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Excellent post! |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. I wrote to Chuck Schmer today about this very thing. Basically told him he is wrong. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Good for you. They need a reality check. nt |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yah, maybe we're wrong, maybe we will all capitulate in the end and hold our noses |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I won't vote for anyone who doesn't hold progressive ideals... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
16. Vote Edwards. He will challenge these do-nothingers. |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Hear Hear!! We really do need his kind of change. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I'm leaning that way... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Just Like He Did As A Senator! |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Right. He's all talk. nt |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. The least worst of the top 3 |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. I know this sounds wierd, but... |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Some of the best ideas sound weird at first. nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. I've been saying this for a long time. We either have to take over the Democratic Party |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Now DK and Ron Paul have something to talk about. n/t |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. lol. nt |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Good points, all. nt |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
22. Good primary fights send a message nt |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. We've got to keep sending those messages! nt |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. Lou Dobbs might not be a favorite here, but he's right about... |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. If the Democratic party doesn't show some backbone in the |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. I'm pretty much giving the Democrats, as a whole, one more election cycle. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
33. .. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. ... |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
36. ..... |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
37. !!!!! |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
39. Shamelessly kicking and hoping for one more rec to keep |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Here's your fifth rec |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 07:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Happy Holidays. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
41. I have called my rep's office many times over the last few years. They are much more |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
42. But they HAVE shown backbone. The Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Good on all that... |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. As well, |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
46. No one could feel any more disheartened at times than I do: |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. But, when the progressives are the majority in the Democratic |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. The Problem is the DLC and Blue Dogs some of whom are |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Great Post -- But I partialy disagree |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
48. link --> that was Laurence O'donnell on KO, November 16 -- here's the quote |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Thanks for that. That's the quote. nt |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. i think a LOT of people picked up on this!! like, "news to us" that we don't matter. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
51. that's what primaries are for |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R for further consideration and discussion. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
53. I push for liberal, progressive Dems |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-15-07 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
54. I gave them no money today |
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