If Obama Wins

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I am trying to make myself find something positive about the prospect... I really liked him and John Edwards a lot until I started reading the anti-Hillary threads here by their supporters ... I really did...I contributed to both of their campaigns... I have never contributed to Hillary's campaign... I remember buying Obama's book, "The Audacity Of Hope" before Christmas last year... My girlfriend and best friend are for Hillary... When I told my best friend I was for Obama he said "It figures"...I used to tout his candidacy on other non-political, mostly sports boards whenever the subject came up...


Well, I have found the one thing that will make me feel good...If Obama wins the heads of the folks at Stormfront will just explode...

HeeHawHee

As an aside I think the less I read this board the easier it will be if my first choice candidate loses...In the past I was really upset when Jimmy Carter beat Ted Kennedy and Walter Mondale beat Gary Hart... I can imagine how much more I would have disliked Carter and Mondale if there was a net where I could go and see my candidate trashed every day by their supporters...I now see both men as decent and Mondale as a rather sympathetic figure...

Maybe the solution is for me to read and post less... That way I'll be able to support any of our nominees... The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican unless you can resurrect Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt...

[MethuenProgressive]

1. "The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican"

Absolutely. :thumbsup:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I Detested Mondale

I used to call him a party hack who practiced the "politics of negativism and despair" but I was really mad at him because he was beating the candidate of my choice, Gary Hart...

If there was a net where I could have went to see Mondale supporters trash Gary Hart I might have been so pissed that I didn't vote in the Fall...

[jefferson_dem]

14. Gary Hart inspired me...in 1984, my first presidential election as a voter.

I supported Hart in the primaries but couldn't vote because I wasn't of age. After turning 18 in May, I proudly planted the Mondale/Ferraro bumper sticker on my car (right next to the Iron Maiden sticker) and voted Dem in November. Haven't turned back since...

Sadly, I think Hart beat himself. We know the story. I always wonder "what could've been..."

[ronnykmarshall]

33. I was for Hart in the primary

but when Mondale picked Ferraro ... I was ALL about working to get them elected.

And I proudly had my Mondale/Ferraro sticker next to my Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac ones on my car.

[BeyondGeography]

2. Nah, stay here, helps to keep us in line

you're one of the most insightful people out there, DSB.

Plus, if Hillary wins, you'll be one of the few people on her side who might actually console us in our hour of pain. Right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. This Place Is Really Hardening My Heart

I was ambiguous or agnostic before the primary season began...

[ronnykmarshall]

19. I'll be there, too.

And I will expect the same if she doesn't.

[BeyondGeography]

22. It's a deal

:toast:

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Cheers baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52d20PK_Kyk

[Colobo]

24. Ronny, you're all class, and so is DSB.

We might disagree on who should win the primaries, but I really consider both of you top notch posters.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. and you are too!

[Fridays Child]

3. Don't judge Obama by the threads against candidates that are supposedly started by his supporters.

None of the candidates should be judged on that basis. There are too many hotheads and outright disruptors posting here for such threads to qualify as informed and civilized candidate analysis.

[TeamJordan23]

12. Agree; that is the worst reason to vote or not vote someone. nm

[ronnykmarshall]

31. I so agree with you.

I've seen probably the WORST anti-Clinton rant in another thread and it opened my eyes. Not all supporters are like that and I should not take it out on the candidate they "support". I say "support" because they are not doing that. They are just hateful people.

Damn! I think the Christmas spirit just bit me in the ass!

[aquart]

4. If Obama wins the primaries, he'll win the presidency.

Because nobody is voting Republican in 2008.

And then he will make mistakes, partly because he's green, partly because the damage done is so huge that whoever wins will be destroyed by it.

But even a few good decisions will make a massive difference and there's every reason to believe he has more than a few good decisions in him.

Just don't expect to get your privacy back. Ain't none of 'em gonna do that.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. "Because nobody is voting Republican in 2008."

Don't count the votes before they're cast.

[aquart]

10. We're fine if we count them AFTER they're cast.

[leftynyc]

55. I don't think so

I will happily and proudly cast my ballot for him because I think he'll make a great president. But I don't think a majority in this country will vote for a black man who has the middle name Huessin. I wish this country wasn't still horribly racist but it is.

[blm]

6. If it makes you feel better - Gary Hart has been advising Obama informally

and that is a good thing - because Hart was very critical of Obama just last year. That Obama is listening to him speaks well of his practical nature and the health of his ego.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Stick around, DSB. Keep doing what you're doing.

Personally, I appreciate your contributions here and hope you won't let criticisms of your candidate, unfair or otherwise, turn you away. Voices of reason are always welcome...

A repost of my "fig leaf offering" from earlier ---

If (heaven forbid) Hillary does win, I hope to be in the state of mind where I can put aside any differences, congratulate her and her supporters, and get on board to fuck up the Repugs in November. Of course, I would hope for the same from you if "my guy" wins...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I Should Register At Stormfront And Tout Obama's Candidacy

Then when they start attacking Obama their rejection will strengthen my confirmation...

They give funny names to people of color...They call Hispanics Mezistos or something like that...


As an aside, I remember getting in a long argument last Spring with some yahoo at the ESPN message board who said Obama was a Muslim...

[jefferson_dem]

16. What's with the "Stormfront" fixation?

I had never even heard of that cesspool before you mentioned it. Now that i've been there (yuk!), I don't understand the relevance here. Perhaps i've missed the point.

Cheers!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. The Idea Of A Person Of Color

The idea of a person of color as their leader will further fuel their sense of alienation and make their pea-brains explode...

[murielm99]

17. Don't do it.

You may end up on an FBI watch list if you go there. My son and I looked around at one of those sites like Church of the Creator or something. He wanted to register and mess with their heads. I told him not to do that on my computer. Maybe I am paranoid, but I think those people are watched.

Just go to the Southern Poverty Law Center website, and donate some money. That will do much more good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Maybe The FBI Is Monitoring Us Here

My best friend, Nate, has a commendation from the Southern Poverty Law Center that he displays proudly on his foyer wall next to his (two) Bronze Stars from Nam and Korea...

[murielm99]

30. I don't doubt that they watch us here.

But I would be proud to be on a list for being watched here. Being on a list for visiting Stormfront would make me ashamed, even if I did it out of simple curiosity. I can learn about Stormfront from the Southern Poverty Law Center website.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

50. I read a post on that site once

that referred to blacks as "mud people". To this day, I'm still amazed that such a moran could figure out how to type and log on to the internet.

[Connie_Corleone]

13. Please remember something.

Most Obama and Edwards supporters are not posting anti-Hillary threads. There are a vocal minority of both camps, just like there is a vocal minority of the Hillary supporters who have nothing better to do but start thread after thread trashing other candidates.

I'll defend my candidate, but I try not to go trolling in positive threads about other candidates and start bashing away. It's a waste of time.

[melody]

15. I hear you ... the candidate stumping on here is becoming obnoxious

Every day, there's a Biden thread and an Obama thread, etc, etc. I'm sick of standing in the crossfire.
I want to support the Democratic nominee. I have preferences for whom I'd like him to be, but the important
thing is the party prevails.

[LisaM]

18. It happens every primary and election season

Name calling, candidate bashing......I'm sure people from the campaigns (all of them) are involved....if you don't like what someone says, check when they joined DU.

[Adelante]

20. Don't go!

I rely on you :)

I do know what you mean. I was a Clinton supporter throughout the '90s, including affection for both. I never turned against either of them. I came into this primary season still liking Hillary Clinton, although in disagreement on some (to me) major points. In recent weeks, after all these years, I am liking her less and less each day. A personal dislike. Is it the negative supporters of either candidate on DU posting unceasing negativity? Is it the way their campaigns are going? I honestly can't say. I just don't know. But I've seen the same transition among Clinton supporters I know online, now deeply against Obama, who hadn't held him in poor esteem before.

Eh, primaries as per usual, I guess.

[Larkspur]

25. Actually, I'm not impressed with any of the Dem candidates

I despise Hillary for willing to sell her soul for power and I don't trust Obama, who mimics Lieberman's talking points about bi-partisanship and progressives. I'm leaning Edwards, but I'm not enthusiastic about it.

The 2008 Prez election, I'm basically sitting out as an activist. Renovating my house is more appealing to me than supporting any of the Dem Prez candidates.

[ronnykmarshall]

34. I've done the house remodel too

You'll want to be back in the trenches of politics SOON! Trust me!

[LisaM]

37. I just hope someone is elected

who makes it possible for me to ever buy a house!

[Larkspur]

56. For Goldwater/Miller '08 definitely YES!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I Have Read A Lot Of Your Posts

But if I can put my pride and emotions aside I would admit any D is better than an R, even an Independent D like Joe Lieberman if you (never) let him near the formulation of foreign policy... The R's are really bad...

[Larkspur]

57. Lieberman is not a Democrat

He's either a CT for Lieberman or Unaffiliated party member funded by Bush Republicans. That's who paid for his 2006 re-election bid and those are his masters.

[proudmoddemo]

64. No Chafee would be better than Lieberman n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

26. I know what you mean.

I'm feeling the same way.

Many of the things I've seen around here (on all side) are repulsive.

If Hillary loses, I won't come in here for months. I know there are some people that will be total assholes. And I'm sure it will cut both ways if she wins.

I'm sorry to say, but there are some anti-Clinton posters here I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. 2004 was a cake walk compared to this year.

I know that if it comes down to supporting someone else in the general as our nominee, I'll be there. But right now I don't feel so excited about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I'm Sure There Are Supporters Of Other Candidates Who Feel The Same Way About "Us" And "Our"

"Candidate"

It doesn't matter...

I just know, rightly or wrongly, that I like certain candidates less because of what I read here...It's a natural, emotional reaction that folks can't repress because all of us have a rational and emotional component...

It's like sports... If you like Dwayne Wade you hate LeBron James and Kobe Bryant... If you like LeBron James you hate Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade... And so on and so on...

[ronnykmarshall]

35. I can't stand Kobe

and I'm a Laker fan!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I Hated Him Because Of The Shaq-Kobe Breakup

Plus sports and politics are my passion and I used to post on a lot of sports boards and his fans are insufferable...


That being said , Kobe Bryant is a singular talent...

[ronnykmarshall]

40. That's the reason I can't stand him.

I wanted Shaq to stay in LA. Not just because he's a great player, he always came across as a nice guy. One time I saw him with this wife sitting at a restaurant in West Hollywood at a sidewalk table and he was very cool and polite when people recognized him. It was a friday night, so most of the guys were too busy checking out each other, so I guess Shaq figured he could sit out side and not cause that much of a ruckus.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Was It At The Abbey?

Shaq is getting a divorce....That's sad...He has six children...I have followed his career since he was a Magic...He's getting old and can't dominate like he used to , like all of us , and it's sad to watch...

[ronnykmarshall]

42. Not the Abbey

it was one of the resturant on Santa Monica Blvd. I can't remember which one. This was back in 2000 when the sidewalks were all under construction when the Blvd was being redone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Was In LA In May of 01

I stayed at the Hyatt in Century City... My gf lives in Koreatown... PM me with your e-mail if you want and I'll buy you a beer or your beverage of choice if I make it back to LA.. My girlfriend works a real estate management company whose office is right above the Kodak Theatre...

[AX10]

59. If Obama gets the nod, I may not come back, ever.

[sandnsea]

29. Well since Obama is 'just like Hillary'

you shouldn't have a worry in the world about an Obama Presidency.

Some of have discovered genuine reasons to dislike the Clintons, regardless of who the other candidates are.

Others really think politics is nothing but a bash fest. That's all they want and they gravitate to whatever candidate throws out the most red meat.

And others really and truly are just trolls.

Ignore is your friend, it really is. I put the worst of all of them on ignore, even a couple of Obama supporters who I decided weren't really supporters at all.

[ronnykmarshall]

36. PS ...

Please help get this to greatest pages.

This is probably one of the best threads I've read in months.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrvkU0R8Rds

Makes me think of this Madonna song.

[Pirate Smile]

44. I was glad in 2004 that I didn't find DU until after the Iowa Caucuses because

I thought it would have made it harder to get behind Kerry (I caucused for Dean). It still was hard and kind of depressing for a couple of weeks but after that I was able to jump headfirst onto the bandwagon - $$$, volunteer. It seemed like some people just never could get past those early primary battles.

[Perry Logan]

45. I'm in the same boat. I was cool with Obama till I saw all the Hillary-bashing at DU.

[Rock_Garden]

46. We're free speech. Please keep posting!

Eventually, I learned that I don't have to have an emotional reaction to anyone else's post. And I even salute the right of snarky, slimy, skanky posters to say what they want. Overall, it's better that we talk about it And I think that we can be forgiven for being a little bit....emotional right now.

[SIMPLYB1980]

47. K&R

[Beacool]

48. I started this election supporting Hillary but feeling neutral

about Edwards and Obama. Now, I've decided that if she doesn't win the nomination I'll pack my marbles and sit this one out.

[eallen]

49. I'm the opposite. I'll support any other Dem candidate.

To me, the most important issue in 2008 is the restraint of executive power and restoration of Constitutional authority after Bush's depradations. As far as I can see, Hillary has no credibility on that issue.

:hippie:

[Scriptor Ignotus]

51. as an obama supporter i would really hope

you would at least vote for Edwards, over nobody. we got to back the dem candidate. all the repubs are terrible.

[Beacool]

52. I don't feel that Obama is fit to be president in 2008.

I'm sorry, but that is my honest opinion. I'm almost his same age and I'm not swayed by a smooth talker with a lot of hot air and almost zero actual experience under his belt (I don't count being in a state senate as real national experience).

I would have had no problem voting for him in a few years, but I think that right now he doesn't have the know-how to be president. Having said that, if he manages to win the nomination, I will drag myself to the voting booth next November and pull the lever for all the Democrats on the ballot. The Supreme Court is too important to pass it on to the Repugs.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

53. that's fair

because I'll be dragging myself to the polls if Hillary wins. ;)

[AX10]

58. The Supreme Court is the only reason That I could vote for obama.

I do not care for his smooth talk and inexperience either. People tell me that Hillary is cold and calculating. I'd take that any day over slick and inexperienced. This country needs experience right now and that is why Biden is my first choice.

Also, I don't like Obama parrotting the right wing talking points on "bi-partisanship" and social security.

[fightindonkey]

61. Obama Has No Clue What He's Doing, He Would Lose 40 States

Wake up idiots! Geez.

[AX10]

63. McGovern, Mondale, Dukaukis,..........Obama?

[Beacool]

62. Slick, that's the word!

He reminds me of a guy I once supervised who was very slick, he thought that he was a smooth operator and that his charm was enough to allow him to get away with anything. He was all talk and no action. He eventually transferred to another dept. and ended up getting fired for poor performance. I didn't trust that guy and I don't trust this one either.

[Renew Deal]

54. My advice: don't get to far ahead of yourself.

The situation is very dynamic. There’s still no reason to believe that any of the top 3 candidates are done, especially Hillary and Obama. So don’t mentally commit to anything too early, because it might not work out. Just do your best for your candidate and see how it plays out. Uncertainty always sucks, and reading DU can make people crazy. If the real world was like DU, it would be an Edwards, Biden race. So my advice is keep doing what you’ve been doing, and wait and see.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. There's still a lot of politikn' to do before we should be talking like this, DSB

Keep up the good fight.