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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:20 AM
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Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Pitch in Iowa: ‘I Love the ’90s’
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Pitch in Iowa: ‘I Love the ’90s’
By ADAM COHEN
Published: December 12, 2007
Grinnell, Iowa

Bill Clinton, his once salt-and-pepper hair now almost all salt and his fiery speaking voice subdued, went on a swing through Iowa on Monday. The trip — the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign’s fight-celebrity-with-celebrity answer to Oprah Winfrey’s stumping for Barack Obama — was meant to be forward-looking. But Mr. Clinton could not help looking backward.

His talks, which were chock full of references to his White House days, underscored a largely unspoken fault line between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama. Their battle is, to a great extent, a referendum on a decade.

It is hard to think of the onetime boy governor of Arkansas and “Comeback Kid” as a nostalgia act, but Mr. Clinton was quick to concede that it was so. He had become, he said wryly, an old racehorse that the Democrats haul out every two years at election time to see if he can still make it around the track. Now, when he speaks about national health insurance, he talks about his heart surgery. The man whose theme was once the musical refrain, “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow,” told a gym full of Grinnell College students that at some point “you realize you have more yesterdays than tomorrows.”

The polls say voters today are desperate for change, and Mr. Clinton, ever the obliging politician, gave his audiences what they came for. The theme of his engaging, unscripted remarks — delivered to audiences in Ames, Newton, Grinnell and Iowa City — was that Mrs. Clinton has always been a “change agent.” He cited examples from her antiwar speech at her Wellesley graduation to her recent Senate campaign to get body armor for troops in Iraq.

Mr. Clinton, however, had a way of returning to the 1990s. When he warned that the growing gap between rich and poor was one of the nation’s biggest problems, he noted that the poorest Americans had it better “in the eight years we served.” He told his Grinnell audience about the millions of additional people who got student aid during his years in office, and he worked in as an aside that in his two terms in office, 22.7 million jobs were created.

In praising his wife, Mr. Clinton talked about her lifetime of accomplishments but paid special attention to her work as first lady. On one stop, he blurted out something that seemed to be on his mind all day. “I hear a lot of people say we don’t want to refight the battles of the ’90s, and I agree with that,” he said. “I sure would like to have some of the victories of the ’90s.”

A few years ago, Mr. Clinton made a now-famous observation about a different decade. “If you look back on the ’60s and think there was more good than bad, you’re probably a Democrat,” he said. “If you think there was more harm than good, you’re probably a Republican.”

In the current presidential primary, the Clinton campaign is based largely on a speeded-up nostalgia — like the VH-1 television show “I Love the ’70s.” It is premised on the notion that the 1990s — with its strong economy, technology boom and pre-Sept. 11 innocence — was a golden age rudely interrupted by two terms of George W. Bush.

Mr. Obama is more forward-looking. When he talks of uniting the nation and moving beyond partisanship, he could be attacking the Clinton era as much as the Bush years. His supporters see him as a new kind of president, ushering America into a more diverse, more global, post-ideological age.

Put that way, the advantage might appear to be Mr. Obama’s, since he comes off as the more profound agent of change. On the other hand, in presidential elections, voters rarely venture far outside their comfort zones. They may not be able to imagine what an Obama presidency would look like, while they can remember a Clinton presidency quite well.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/opinion/12wed4.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:22 AM
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1. Then by all means they should go back.
However for the rest of America it's time to move forward.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:26 AM
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2. How relevant were the 50's in 1968? The 60's in 1978?
We're eight years into a new decade and they keep talking about a time when oil was $20 a barrel, when the Chinese economy barely existed, and when the Internet was just getting started.

What a joke.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:32 AM
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6. Please Keep Telling Ordinary (Read) Non-Elite Americans The 90's Were A Terrible Time Or
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 08:33 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
They Are Ignorant For Thinking They Can Be Restored...

Please do that...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:58 AM
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20. They weren't terrible, they ARE irrelevant
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:06 AM
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22. Are you proud of the way we Dems lost control of Congress in '94? Impeachment?
:shrug:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:36 AM
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9. It's not a joke...Everything is relative..but, I expect you know that..
The Clintons have been tuned in to Global politics since their college years. They have been interested in where our country is going because they know where our country has been. They are not newcomers to politics fraught with unproven hopes and flawed dreams. They both have been students of "change" all their lives and understand exactly how to fix a broken governmental system.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:27 AM
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3. "in his two terms in office, 22.7 million jobs were created. "
How many jobs has Obama created?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:31 AM
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5. Surely, more than *she* has created.
;)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:33 AM
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7. Make up your mind, are you running against Bill (see OP) or Hill?
You *do* know Bill's not running, don't you?
Or is that more history ObamaNation draws a blank on?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:36 AM
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10. "You *do* know Bill's not running," so sayeth MP.
Hear that all Hillary fans... Hopefully, one of your own can set things straight.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:39 AM
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12. neat trick...trot out Bill....then if anyone says negative, he isn't running! HA!
Well, by the same token, she wasn't president in the 90s either.

Bill is a double edged sword.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:46 AM
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17. neat trick...trot out Oprah...then if anyone says anything negative, she isn't running! HA!
Well, by the same token, she's president of a huge corporation, HARPO.

Oprah is a corporatist double edged sword.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:58 AM
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19. I think Oprah/Obama could win in the 35-64 female demographic.
If they could only manage to move Suprah Tuesday to Sweeps Week,
Oprah could start measuring the Oval Office for Harpo Inc drapes!!
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:17 PM
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25. What does Obama and Oprah have to do with anything?
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 09:18 PM by earthlover
The point was about the Clintons. If you can refute it, try again. And I am not even an Obama supporter. However, Hillary Supporters make me want to support him and root for him out of spite!

Oprah is civic minded enough to support a candidate for president and get involved. He is not my candidate. But I admire her for getting involved.

It is fine that Bill supports his wife. I would support even my former wive if she ran for president! Maybe even some of my old girl friends. So I understand why Bill supports Hillary. I disagree with his choice, however.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:04 AM
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21. How many jobs were OUTSOURCED because of Clinton(s)?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:08 AM
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24. Don't Know
I do know that African American and Hispanic unemployment were at their lowest level in a generation as was the number of people living below the poverty level...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:28 AM
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4. How Dare He
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 08:30 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
The nineties sucked:

Endless wars

Rising unemployment

Massive bankrupticies and foreclosures

Rising fuel prices

Huge deficits

Weak dollar

A person would have to be a total idiot to want to go back to the nineties... It was the darkest era in the history of the republic...


Wait...I have my eras mixed up...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:34 AM
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8. The Clintons should make their motto, "Bridge back to the 20th Century."
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 08:35 AM by jefferson_dem
Mullets everyone? No thanks.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:39 AM
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11. As opposed to Obama's "Bridge to NO-WHERE"?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:25 PM
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27. Or how about Hillary's Campaign to Nowhere?
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:40 AM
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13. Hey--that's dirty fighting for real!

Helluva wake up post, though.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:41 AM
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14. I'd wear a mullet
I'd wear a mullet if it meant my fellow Americans weren't:

being foreclosed from their homes

seeing their sons and daughters die in endless wars

watching their disposable income being chewed up rising energy places

seeing them pay more for all kinds of all goods caused by a weakening dollar
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:42 AM
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16. Holy shit, you completely reeled me in.
*removing hook from mouth*
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:08 AM
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23. The Clinton Years, Allowing The NeoCons criminals to go unindicted. If Clinton had done his jobi
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 09:10 AM by cryingshame
all the issues you listed wouldn't have happened because Clinton allowed the NeoCons to regroup and take over.

Clinton and his ally McCauliffe did NOTHING about Election Fraud.

He/she further enabled Media consolidation.

He/she enabled bank deregulation.

He/she presided over the disintegration of the Democratic party.

In the end, the Clinton's have a proven and factual history of letting traitors get away with truly heinous crimes going all the way back to Mena Arkansas.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:59 PM
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28. You're right...Bill Clinton hurt the Democratic Party
The Democratic Party lost lots during the Clinton presidency. State legislatures became more republican. So did governorships. The House of Representatives became Republican majority. The Senate became a Republican majority. Not to mention, we lost the Presidency after Clinton's rule with a member of his ticket running (who had to distance himself from Bill's penis).

Bill's triangulation kept himself in power. But across the board, in both houses of congress, in state legislatures and governorships, Democrats suffered losses.

Is there a lesson here about self serving triangulation?

Hillary has already demonstrated she will give us the same.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:42 AM
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15. WITH BILL CLINTON AS PRESIDENT HELL YES....................
Anybody satisfied with THIS STRING of years should have their head examined.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:49 AM
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18. When were you born.. in 2000?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:22 PM
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26. NAFTA, deregulation, China, India,
HUD reform, welfare reform, useless college tax credits, failed health care reform, ski resort land swaps...

Yeah, let's look at the 90's.
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