Keynote speakers: Clinton- Zell Miller, Evan Bayh. Gore - Harold Ford. Kerry - Barack Obama.

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I thought of this and found it interesting. It shows some insight into their vision or lack of it, and into their egos or lack of it, imo.


Fuller roster in 1992 - Miller shared the keynote address duties: add Barbara Jordan and Bill Bradley. Looks like a fuller nod to the spectrum of Dems back then.

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1. In fairness it was a way different Zell Miller

BTW I am sure it is purely by accident that you left out Barabara Jordan and Bill Bradley who also keyonted in 1992.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/08/15/keynote.history/index.html

During the 1992 Democratic convention in New York, the Democrats again modified the keynote role by presenting a trio of speakers: Bradley, then-Gov. Zell Miller of Georgia and former Rep. Barbara Jordan of Texas.

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2. True - it was Miller who comes up on the first few pages of google.

and, of course, got the lion's share of publicity for his remarks. But, how do you know it was a different Miller? You think he wasn't STILL friendly with Bill? He was no different in his support of Bush on terrorism and Iraq war than Bill Clinton or Lieberman. All on the same page and PUBLIC in their support and defense of Bush from 2001-2006.

With McAuliffe, Carville and Begala on board with Hillary2008, how do you know that Miller wasn't part of it?

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4. actually Barbara Jordan came up first in my search

I used 1992 Democratic Convention Keynote. She was the first several and it took me awhile to confirm Bradley. I will say that Miller gave a masterful speech while Bradley gave a horrid one. Jordan was also very good but since she was already ill she didn't capitalize like Miller did. As to the notion Miller didn't change, that is nothing short of absurd.

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7. Was Miller on a different page than Bill or Lieberman in his basic support of Bush?

Miller supported Bush on his decisions regarding terrorism and Iraq war - so did Bill and so did Lieberman.

None of the three would say that Kerry's ideas of how to counter terrorism or his record tracking terrorism were worthy of support.

[bunnies]

3. Zell Miller?!?!?!

THE Zell Miller?!?!?

[ecstatic]

8. Is he still alive? Haven't heard anything about him

since he went to the dark side.

[beachmom]

23. Sonny Perdue is SOOO Bad running Georgia, I would take back

crazy ole' Zell any day of the week.

Obviously, that tells you how godawful Sonny is.

[SaveElmer]

5. Ridiculous...

The Zell Miller of 1992 was a far cry from the Zell Miller of 2004...

In fact Miller was quite hard on Bush the elder...

As to the rest...Bayh, Ford and Obama....all very good choices...

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6. How do you know? Miller's position was that he supported Bush on terrorism and Iraq war -

a position shared with both Clintons and Lieberman.

They didn't share Kerry's view of how to deal with terrorism or that Bush should never have invaded Iraq since weapon inspections WERE WORKING and proved force was not necessary.

And ever see a Clinton WANT books opened on any of Bush1 or 2s illegal operations?

Downing Street Memos? Never heard of them.

[SaveElmer]

9. Man...at least get your years straight...and your facts...

First...Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 and 1996...both well before 2002...and therefore your first point is irrelevant...

Second, in fact Bill and Hillary Clinton held the exact same view as John Kerry on inspections...


As to your third point....the horse is dead on your conspiracy theories...no one with any sanity is biting...

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10. They did NOT hold the exact same view as Kerry that Bush's DECISION to invade was wrong

because weapon inspections were PROVING force was not needed. And neither Clinton backed up Kerry on firing Rumsfeld and didn't back Kerry on HIS ideas to counter terrorism.

Why do you want to pretend they did?

And Downing Street Memos proved Clintons had NO INTEREST in Bush being held accountable for his plans for Iraq war.

BTW - did you ever contact historian Douglas Brinkley and tell him that he is a conspiracy theorist for claiming Clintons were backstabbing Kerry throughout 2003-4?

Did you ever get a retraction from Bob Woodward who wrote about the scene he WITNESSED at the WH of Carville's phone call to Matalin on election night?

Did you ever get an explanation from McAuliffe how on earth 2002 and 2004 elections had even WORSE election fraud than 2000's theft?


Did you ever get an explanation from Bill Clinton about how Bush ended up with all the good headlines of support from Bill's summer2004 book tour?

Did you ever get an explanation from Bill why all the outstanding matters in IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning were deep-sixed throughout the 90s, including the involvement of Jackson Stephens and Marc Rich?

Or do you just want to continue your game of pretend and hope others want to play, too?

[SaveElmer]

11. Both CLinton's...

Made very clear they were against an immediate invasion...and advocated letting the inspections play out...that is fact...

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15. Yet they PUBLICLY SUPPORTED Bush's decision to invade ANYWAY! That is a fact.

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20. BTW - please cite the instances of either Clinton boosting Kerry's record on terror issues

or advocating for Kerry's position on terrorism. And compare it to the public support given Bush.

[sandnsea]

22. They parsed and danced and triangulated

Just like they always do. Just like she's doing on Iran. Even after the new NIE. These people are absolutely nothing like John Kerry and created problems for him in 2004 with their "stay the course" bullshit and letting Bush have a pass on the yellowcake. They Are Slime and the recent attacks on Obama's past drug use ought to be clear proof of it.

[Bluebear]

12. You're right, not the most progressive bunch at all!

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13. No she isn't right

She left out two of Clinton's speakers for instance.

[Bluebear]

14. Oh.

Barbara Jordan...how I miss her.

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16. I never knew she was a lesbian until just lately

Great speaker though.

[Bluebear]

17. I never knew that until you just told me!

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18. She kept it hidden her entire life

http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/woc/p/barbarajordan.htm

What is so sad is that she wouldn't have had any of her accomplishments had she been honest about who she was. God rest her soul though.

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19. Not unlike many nuns who sacrificed themselves and dove into brave causes

some of which cost them their lives - like those murdered in Central America. But then, Poppy Bush gets to keep his books closed on all that, too, doesn't he?

[politicasista]

21. How does Barbara Jordan fit in there?

:shrug:

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24. Jordan sacrificed much to pursue public service - just as some nuns did, like those

victims of Poppy Bush's policies in Central America.

I'm surprised that needs explaining.

[politicasista]

25. Yes she did n/t

[wyldwolf]

26. uh... so?