If John Edwards or Hillary Clinton went on tour in SC with David Duke how would you react?

[Progress And Change]

It is sad that all too often GLBT rights are held to a separate and unequal standard than equal rights relating to race--and I say this as a hetrosexual minority. If Edwards or Clinton went on tour with a bigot the very people defending the McCulkrin tour would be attacking the Duke tour. Or to put it in more real terms, remember our reaction when Bush paid homage to the bigot vote with his wink-and-nod visit to Bob Jones "university" in 2000? It is disconcerting and a tough pill to swallow but what Obama did is exactly like what Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Helms, and others did before him with the Republican "Southern strategy" of playing to bigotry against African-Americans. The only difference is Obama's target was bigotry agains GLBT people. That, nor his party label, not even his winning smile, doesn't make it anymore acceptable...

Don't give me that crap about Obama's record. Richard Nixon, the guy who invented the "Southern strategy", had a great record on civil rights too unil 1968. Then when he got in the White House he began affirmative action and desegragted schools. One's record has nothing to do with being willing to play the hate card in order to win votes.

The Duke analogy is not ideal since he is not an entertainer. I thought of using Kramer/Michael Richards, a celebrity entertainer who is a known bigot. That would not work either. McCulkrin is both an entertainer and, like Duke, a promoter of bigotry.

[itsrobert]

1. Linda Olsen? n/t

n/t

[Progress And Change]

2. you're comparing a rogue staffer to a deliberate strategy made straight from the top?

If Clinton herself was involved in those e-mails that is a different story but there is no evidence of that.

[Beacool]

3. If either one campaigned with David Duke

I wouldn't vote for them. As much as it would break my heart not to vote for Hillary, if she aligned herself with that bigot I would vote for someone else.

[gateley]

5. Ditto. If my candidate aligned with David Duke for ANY reason, I could no

longer support him. It would break my heart, too and devastate me that he wasn't the person I thought him to be.

[NMMNG]

4. Protest like hell and cross them off my list of potential candidates

Bigotry is disgusting. :puke:

[Prophet 451]

6. Toby Keith would be a better comparison

I'd be disappointed, saddened and possibly outraged. I'd almost certainly vote against that person in a primary (unless they went to great lengths to apologise and make amends) but in the general, I'd have to hold my nose and vote for them if they were the candidate on the grounds that, although they might not promote LGBT rights, they probably wouldn't be as active in surpressing them as a Repub would.

[HeraldSquare212]

7. No need for a hypothetical with regard to Clinton

Edit: I originally read this as a Village Voice article but can't find that article in their archives, thus the source I used. But this isn't just freeper ranting, the facts are correct.


The Hillary gig no one will talk about
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1353559/posts

It would appear Senator Clinton had picked the perfect venue to start getting religious on the public stage. The January 19 fundraiser for the Boston-based National Ten Point Leadership Foundation had the nominal backing of such leading Massachusetts Democrats as Boston mayor Tom Menino, as well as U.S. senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. More importantly, the 500-strong crowd included many of the city's leading black ministers, who'd likely welcome the sight of the preeminent Democrat dishing out the language of God.


But if you think this mixing of politics and religiosity comes free of charge, think again. The affair's host was Reverend Eugene Rivers III, the spiritual leader of the Pentecostal Azusa Christian Community and a prominent black minister willing to do business with the Bush White House.

-snip-

And then there's his outspoken stance against same-sex marriage. Last year, in the battle for civil-marriage rights for gay couples in Massachusetts, Rivers aligned himself with the most extreme opponents. He showed up at forums hosted by the anti-gay Family Research Council. He lent his celebrity to a radio ad paid for by Your Catholic Voice that declared: "Same-sex unions are really about 'special rights' for a special interest group."


Just a week before he shared the spotlight with Senator Clinton in Boston, he sounded a similar theme at Calvin College, in Grand Rapids, Michigan, arguing in a January 11 address that the words "civil rights" have been co-opted by those who support full equality for gay couples. Then Rivers revealed his true conservative colors:


"Frequently, same-sex couples wanting to marry are white lesbians who seek the accoutrements of family life and the proverbial white picket fence," he told the crowd. "From their positions of socioeconomic privilege, they insist that their desires must be viewed as rights instead of preferences."


-snip-

[babylonsister]

9. Well! Hard to believe that, isn't it. Funny I've not seen this mentioned

previously. Thanks for the find.

[ecstatic]

8. A more apt analogy would be if they went on tour with Clarence Thomas

Since Clarence Thomas is a black man who is generally anti-black.

The whole accusation of Obama trying to appeal to a homophobic audience doesn't make sense, because McClurkin is gay. How exactly would a confused gay guy appeal to a homophobic audience? In life, we can interpret things in ways that will cause emotional reactions within us. The way I will continue to view that episode is that Obama had a gospel concert, and it was fitting to have a grammy-award winning gospel singer perform. You can't exactly have a successful concert if you don't have a popular act performing.

[blm]

10. Poppy Bush has created more evil than any one other person in this country and Bill Clinton

sticks to him like glue - and beyond that, has protected Poppy's secrecy and privilege over YOU AND ME and EVERY citizen's right to the information they are owed.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Show some perspective.

[William769]

11. Why go to a hypothetical when we have facts?

The bigots on this board have been outed more than once.