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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:14 PM
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A solution to the Iraq crisis won't come about by simply declaring a mandate for change.
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 09:26 PM by ginchinchili
Unless you want to classify pulling out of Iraq as a mandate for change. In this election "change" is defined as a new approach toward government, not just "different from Bush." No candidate can discuss the details involving the Middle East meltdown we're involved in to the extent that Joe Biden can. It would be unwise for us to nominate someone based on the assumption that he or she is smart therefore they'll figure it out once they get into office. If you had to undergo surgery for a life or death procedure would you choose a surgeon who doesn't really know the specifics about the problem or how to conduct the surgery but because he or she is smart they can figure it out while you're cut open on the operating table? Common sense will dictate the answer to that question.

There are 3 ways to approach Iraq: 1)a continuation of the Bush strategy, 2)just pulling out and let the chips lie where they fall, or 3) Joe Biden's plan. None of these 3 approaches are without problems, big problems, but Biden's is the most realistic way of getting us the hell out of Iraq without leaving total chaos in our wake. The fact that Joe Biden had the backbone to stand up and offer a detailed plan like this while the rest of our elected officials just sat around hoping it would all just go away demonstrates, demonstrates, what a real, strong, stand up guy he is. It's the kind of take charge action we should be looking for in a leader.

There is so very much at stake in this election. We can shape our respective candidates in an endless array of ways to make them look good to the rest of us who may not be enthralled with them, but if we are going to be honest with ourselves Sen. Biden is the candidate, Democrat or Republican, who is really the most qualified to step into the Oval Office on day one and start getting down to the people's business. It's not Hillary Clinton, whose candidacy would set off a new round of America's us against them divisive politics, while her PR team is running around trying to create her image as being more than it is, e.g., planting questioners so that she can give her prepared answers. It's not Barack Obama, who simply lacks the qualifications if only because he lacks the experience--and experience is essential for tackling our current set of problems our nation faces; we shouldn't pretend otherwise. It's not John Edwards who, too, lacks the necessary experience to tackle the monumental challenges our country now faces, despite his fiery passion. All 3 of these candidates would probably do a fine job under different circumstances. Obama will probably have that opportunity in the future, but he has to pay his dues first. The logical choice for the Democrats during this primary is Sen. Joe Biden.

Sen. Biden is very smart, he's quick on his feet, he's honest, he's arguably our country's foremost foreign policy expert in government today, and he already knows most of the foreign leaders, already earning the respect of the international community. He would serve our country with honor and distinction. He knows what it's like to suffer personal tragedy. He has a personal stake in Iraq's outcome because he's got a son in the military (I believe it's the Army Reserves) who is supposed to go to Iraq next year. He is the only candidate running who isn't a millionaire. He doesn't deal with lobbyists (probably why he's only worth about $150,000). He has the unquestionable respect of both Democrats and Republicans in the Senate (which will be pivotal for enacting real change in the next administration, not just rhetorical change), and he's a different kind of politician, in the best sense. In a word, he's one of us. He's not running on hype. He doesn't have any big name celebrities raising millions of dollars and stumping for him. He doesn't have gimmicks, he doesn't attack his fellow Democrats, he doesn't make excuses. He's simply a man with an exceptional mind and the experience to know how to use that mind. His particular experience gives him the anti-venom for every predictable attack the Republicans will use against any Democratic nominee. No other candidate can make that claim the way Biden can. And he's got passion. The fire is burning in this man's belly. For Biden it's not about being the #1 big-shot. He wants to take on the Republican challenger so that he can then get our country that has been so long adrift back on course. He's got all the tools and he's dying to put them to use to end the hemorrhaging we've been undergoing for a dangerously long period of time. This, my friends, is no time to take chances.

If you want Iraq, health care, our energy policy, education, and our nation's respect and credibility to really, really, be changed in a way that Democrats have been longing for for an inordinate period of time, please consider supporting Sen. Biden for President of the United States. He needs your support now.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:17 PM
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1. A well-articulated message in support of your candidate.
I am a Kucinich supporter, but I've liked Biden a lot ever since the last debate. He's my 2nd choice, and I like him a hell of a lot better than anyone in the so-called first tier.

:thumbsup:

K/R
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:45 PM
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4. Thanks. Sen. Biden obviously needs all the support he can get.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:21 PM
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2. Well said ginchinchili,
and right on the money.



GO JOE!!
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:20 PM
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5. It's simply the truth.
That's what makes the Biden argument so powerful.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:23 PM
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3. Bookmarked, K&R'd. Eloquently well-written ! n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:22 PM
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6. Thank you, ginchinchili -- I found myself nodding in agreement as I was reading
this. So well stated and so true! I'm glad you're supporting Joe!
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:27 PM
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7. Kick! Nice post!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:42 PM
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8. Excellent post
Very articulate and persuasive.

During a time of peace and prosperity, we could take a gamble on a president who has potential, but little relevant experience. This is NOT that time. The decisions made in the next few years could alter civilization in ways we've never imagined. A few blunders and we could see Armageddon in our lifetime.

You know, I'm basically a schmuck for inspirational speeches, but time and experience has made me a bit more pragmatic. "Hope and promise" are just words if they are not backed up with knowledge and experience.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:52 PM
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9. And the Constitution?
Need to know.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:06 PM
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10. You're absolutely right. Our next president...
needs to have an intimate understanding of the Constitution, and Joe Biden does. He not only understands it, he has taught Constitutional law. You have to know the Constitution in order to know what a president can and can't do. Dubya obviously doesn't know our Constitution. Sometimes I even wonder if he knows what it is.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:29 PM
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11. Has he made a stand on the abuses?
And statements for restoring it? even though Cheney's manipulations are invalid.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:38 AM
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16. I don't think it needs restoring so much as it needs enforcing.
He's called for a Special Counsel to investigate the destroying of these CIA interrogation tapes and rejects the idea of having our new AG look into it, which is what is being proposed. Biden voted against him and doesn't trust Bush's appointee to conduct an impartial investigation. Biden has also told Bush face to face, as well as publicly, that he would move to impeach Bush should he bomb Iran, though it would technically have to originate out of the House of Representatives. I'm sure Kucinich would be happy to assist.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:27 AM
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14. I didn't know that about him... learn something wonderful everyday ! n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:48 PM
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12. John Kerry offered a plan in 2004
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 11:48 PM by sandnsea
and every subsequent year. Splitting up Iraq has not been part of it. There are definitely more than 3 ways to deal with Iraq.

Obama's Plan:

Remove all combat troops by 2009.
Put pressure on politicians as the drawdown occurs.
United Nations directed constitutional convention.
Support local security and stop paying sectarian groups that perpetuate violence.

Refocus on regional diplomacy including Turkey/Kurds, Iran and the broader Gulf.

Address the humanitarian crisis including accepting refugees.

Maintain troops in the region to fight Al Qaeda in Iraq, or in Iraq where necessary.

Biden has a plan, I don't think the partition is the best plan.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:24 AM
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13. I mentioned Obama's plan: pull out the troops and hope for the best.
Obama's plan is the same as Bush's except Bush want's to leave the troops there forever, Obama wants to pull the out right away. Besides, Obama won't be in a position to "remove all combat troops by 2009" because he wouldn't become president until then. Maybe by the end of 2009, but not by 2009. And what kind of pressure can he put on the politicians? What will be his leverage if he has already announced that all troops will be out by 2009?. Why have a United Nations directed constitutional convention when they've already had one? They already have a constitution and Biden's plan is to implement that constitution which calls for a federalism with smaller states run by their own governments and a weaker central government so that one group, i.e., the Shiites, aren't dominating the Sunnis and the Kurds through a strong central government, which the Shiites dominate. Shiite domination is an inevitable consequence to a strong central government. How much longer to you want to keep trying Bush's plan of a strong central government in Iraq? How many more innocent people have to die before you realize Bush's and Obama's plan of a strong central government won't work? Obama's plan is also contradictory. You can't pull out all combat troops and also "maintain troops in the region to fight al Qaeda in Iraq." If you're going to be fighting al Qaeda in Iraq then you'll be maintaining troops in Iraq, therefore, you can't remove all combat troops. This sounds like the plan of someone who's still wet behind the ears but wants to be president, so he rehashes Bush's plan while trying to please Democrats by promising to pull out the troops by 2009. This is exactly why we can't afford to nominate Barack Obama. He needs to pay his dues first.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:17 AM
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17. Misrepresentation, I just posted the facts
His plan is not the same as Bush's. The leverage IS pulling the troops out so that they have to negotiate or have full civil war. As John Kerry has said for years, they won't make the concessions if they know we're there to keep things from completely crumbling. The reason to have a UN directed constitution is so that it won't be a US directed one, DUH. Now I could go on, but since I doubt you'll stop repeating your disinformation, I won't waste my time. But you have been told you're misrepresenting Obama's plan.
T
If you're really interested in the facts of Obama's plan, read it. And if you want to call it the plan of someone wet behind the ears, then know you're saying the same of John Kerry, whose plan it closely resembles - as well as the Iraq Study Group.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/pdf/Fact%20Sheet%20Iraq%20Final.pdf
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:57 AM
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18. I used the information you posted.
But it's no leverage if everyone already knows he's going to pull out the troops in 2009. Where's the leverage? If you don't behave we'll pull out our troops, even though we're going to anyway? That's not leverage. If it's disinformation then you're feeding me disinformation because I'm quoting you. I'm using what you have submitted. Don't blame me. Blame Obama. And, again, they already have a constitution. That's not disinformation. That's fact. So what you're saying is that it's not even Obama's plan. It's Kerry's and the Iraq Study Groups. Obama needs to pay his dues before moving into the White House.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:20 AM
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22. "I think Joes' point about partition may be the right one" -- Barack Obama
It's on video, for god's sakes from the ABC debate, in the 'joe is right" vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOa989IRYw
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:25 AM
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23. "may be"... and maybe not
His plan to date has not included a partition.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:42 AM
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25. Okay... but this only reinforces the fact that Obama is not sure what to do.
He does not offer "hope" for the Iraq situation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:14 AM
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26. Because he's respectful of Joe Biden???
Well that's just a bizarre way to look at a respectful comment. His plan is very clear whether you want to accept it or not.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:22 AM
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24. That's not a plan....
THIS, is a PLAN. Please note that it is NOT "partitioning".



Iraq: A Way Forward

President Bush does not have a strategy for victory in Iraq. His strategy is to prevent defeat and to hand the problem off to his successor. As a result, more and more Americans understandably want a rapid withdrawal, even at the risk of trading a dictator for chaos and a civil war that could become a regional war. Both are bad alternatives.



A REAL Plan For Iraq
http://www.planforiraq.com/

Visit PlanForIraq.com and read Senator Biden's comprehensive plan to end sectarian violence in Iraq. There is a third way that can achieve the two objectives most Americans share: to bring our troops home without leaving chaos behind. The idea is to maintain a unified Iraq by federalizing it and giving Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis breathing room in their own regions. The central government would be responsible for common interests, like border security and the distribution of oil revenues. The plan would bind the Sunnis - who have no oil -- by guaranteeing them a proportionate share of oil revenues. It would convene an international conference to secure support for the power sharing arrangement and produce a regional nonaggression pact, overseen by a Contact Group of major powers. It would call on the U.S. military to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by the summer of 2008, with a residual force to keep Iraqis and their neighbors honest. It would increase economic aid but tie it to the protection of minority rights and the creation of a jobs program and seek funding from the oil-rich Gulf Arab states. The new, central reality in Iraq is deep and growing sectarian violence between the Shiites and Sunnis. In last December's elections, 90 percent of the votes went to sectarian lists. Ethnic militias increasingly are the law in Iraq. They have infiltrated the official security forces. Massive unemployment is feeding the sectarian militia. Sectarian cleansing has forced at least 250,000 Iraqis to flee their homes in recent months. At the same time, Al Qaeda is now so firmly entrenched in Western Iraq that it has morphed into an indigenous jihadist threat. As a result, Iraq risks becoming what it was not before the war: a haven for radical fundamentalists.

There is no purely military solution to the sectarian civil war. The only way to break the vicious cycle of violence - and to create the conditions for our armed forces to responsibly withdraw -- is to give Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds incentives to pursue their interests peacefully. That requires an equitable and viable power sharing arrangement. That's where Joe Biden's plan comes in. This plan is not partition - in fact, it may be the only way to prevent violent partition and preserve a unified Iraq. This plan is consistent with Iraq's constitution, which provides for Iraq's 18 provinces to join together in regions, with their own security forces, and control over most day-to-day issues. This plan is the only idea on the table for dealing with the militia, which are likely to retreat to their respective regions. This plan is consistent with a strong central government, with clearly defined responsibilities. Indeed, it provides an agenda for that government, whose mere existence will not end sectarian violence.

The example of Bosnia is illustrative. Ten years ago, Bosnia was being torn apart by ethnic cleansing. The United States stepped in decisively with the Dayton Accords to keep the country whole by, paradoxically, dividing it into ethnic federations. We even allowed Muslims, Croats and Serbs to retain separate armies. With the help of U.S. troops and others, Bosnians have lived a decade in peace. Now, they are strengthening their central government, and disbanding their separate armies.

The course we're on leads to a terrible civil war and possibly a regional war. Joe Biden's plan is designed to head that off. He believe it is the best way to bring our troops home, protect our fundamental security interests, and preserve Iraq as a unified country.

The question for those who reject this plan is simple: what is your alternative?



A Five Point Plan for Iraq

1. Establish One Iraq, with Three Regions

Federalize Iraq in accordance with its constitution by establishing three largely autonomous regions - Shiite, Sunni and Kurd -- with a strong but limited central government in Baghdad
Put the central government in charge of truly common interests: border defense, foreign policy, oil production and revenues
Form regional governments -- Kurd, Sunni and Shiite -- responsible for administering their own regions
2. Share Oil Revenues

Gain agreement for the federal solution from the Sunni Arabs by guaranteeing them 20 percent of all present and future oil revenues -- an amount roughly proportional to their size -- which would make their region economically viable
Empower the central government to set national oil policy and distribute the revenues, which would attract needed foreign investment and reinforce each community's interest in keeping Iraq intact and protecting the oil infrastructure

3. Convene International Conference, Enforce Regional Non-Aggression Pact

Convene with the U.N. a regional security conference where Iraq's neighbors, including Iran, pledge to support Iraq's power sharing agreement and respect Iraq's borders
Engage Iraq's neighbors directly to overcome their suspicions and focus their efforts on stabilizing Iraq, not undermining it
Create a standing Contact Group, to include the major powers, that would engage Iraq's neighbors and enforce their commitments

4. Responsibly Drawdown US Troops

Direct U.S. military commanders to develop a plan to withdraw and re-deploy almost all U.S. forces from Iraq by the summer of 2008
Maintain in or near Iraq a small residual force -- perhaps 20,000 troops -- to strike any concentration of terrorists, help keep Iraq's neighbors honest and train its security forces

5. Increase Reconstruction Assistance and Create a Jobs Program

Provide more reconstruction assistance, conditioned on the protection of minority and women's rights and the establishment of a jobs program to give Iraqi youth an alternative to the militia and criminal gangs
Insist that other countries take the lead in funding reconstruction by making good on old commitments and providing new ones -- especially the oil-rich Arab Gulf countries

Plan for Iraq: What It Is - and What It Is Not

Some commentators have either misunderstood the Plan, or mischaracterized it. Here is what the plan is - and what it is not:

1. The Plan is not partition.

In fact, it may be the only way to prevent a violent partition - which has already started -- and preserve a unified Iraq. We call for a strong central government, with clearly defined responsibilities for truly common interests like foreign policy and the distribution of oil revenues. Indeed, the Plan provides an agenda for that government, whose mere existence will not end sectarian violence.

2. The Plan is not a foreign imposition.

To the contrary, it is consistent with Iraq's constitution, which already provides for Iraq's 18 provinces to join together in regions, with their own security forces, and control over most day-to-day issues. On October 11, Iraq's parliament approved legislation to implement the constitution's articles on federalism. Prior to the British colonial period and Saddam's military dictatorship, what is now Iraq functioned as three largely autonomous regions.

But federalism alone is not enough. To ensure Sunni support, it is imperative that Iraqis also agree to an oil revenue sharing formula that guarantees the Sunni region economic viability. The United States should strongly promote such an agreement. The final decisions will be up to Iraqis, but if we do not help them arrange the necessary compromises, nothing will get done. At key junctures in the past, we have used our influence to shape political outcomes in Iraq, notably by convincing the Shiites and Kurds to accept a provision allowing for the constitution to be amended following its adoption, which was necessary to secure Sunni participation in the referendum. Using our influence is not the same as imposing our will. With 140,000 Americans at risk, we have a right and an obligation to make known our views.

3. The Plan is not an invitation to sectarian cleansing.

Tragically, that invitation has been sent, received and acted upon. Since the Samarra mosque bombing in February, one quarter of a million Iraqis have fled their homes for fear of sectarian violence, at a rate now approaching 10,000 people a week. That does not include hundreds of thousands of Iraqis - many from the professional class - who have left Iraq since the war. Only a political settlement, as proposed in the Plan, has a chance to stop this downward spiral.

4. The Plan is the only idea on the table for dealing with the sectarian militia.

It offers a realistic albeit interim solution. Realistic, because none of the major groups will give up their militia voluntarily in the absence of trust and confidence and neither we or the Iraqi government has the means to force them to do so. Once federalism is implemented, the militias are likely to retreat to their respective regions to protect their own and vie for power, instead of killing the members of other groups. But it is only an interim solution, because no nation can sustain itself peacefully with private armies. Over time, if a political settlement endures, the militia would be incorporated into regional and national forces, as is happening in Bosnia.

5. The Plan is an answer to the problem of mixed cities.

Large cities with mixed populations present a challenge under any plan now being considered. The essence of the Plan is that mixed populations can only live together peacefully if their leadership is truly satisfied with the overall arrangement. If so, that leadership will help keep the peace in the cities. At the same time, we would make Baghdad a federal city, and buttress the protection of minorities there and in the other mixed cities with an international peacekeeping force. Right now, the prospect for raising such a force is small. But following a political settlement, an international conference and the establishment of a Contact Group, others are more likely to participate, including countries like Saudi Arabia which have offered peacekeepers in the past.

6. The Plan is in the self-interest of Iran.

Iran likes it exactly as it is in Iraq - with the United States bogged down and bleeding. But the prospect of a civil war in Iraq is not in Tehran's interest: it could easily spill over Iraq's borders and turn into a regional war with neighbors intervening on opposing sides and exacerbating the Sunni-Shiite divide at a time Shiite Iran is trying to exert leadership in the Islamic world. Iran also would receive large refugee flows as Iraqis flee the fighting. Iran, like all of Iraq's neighbors, has an interest in Iraq remaining unified and not splitting into independent states. Iran does not want to see an independent Kurdistan emerge and serve as an example for its own restive 5 million Kurds. That's why Iran - and all of Iraq's neighbors -- can and should be engaged to support a political settlement in Iraq.

7. The Plan is in the self-interest of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds.

The Sunnis increasingly understand they will not regain power in Iraq. Faced with the choice of being a permanent minority player in a central government dominated by Shiites or having the freedom to control their day-to-day lives in a Sunni region, they are likely to choose the latter provided they are guaranteed a fair share of oil revenues to make their region viable. The Shiites know they can dominate Iraq politically, but not defeat a Sunni insurgency, which can bleed Iraq for years. The Kurds may dream of independence, but fear the reaction of Turkey and Iran - their interest is to achieve as much autonomy as possible while keeping Iraq together. Why would Shiites and Kurds give up some oil revenues to the Sunnis? Because that is the price of peace and the only way to attract the massive foreign investment needed to maximize Iraqi oil production. The result will be to give Shiites and Kurds a smaller piece of a much larger oil pie and give all three groups an incentive to protect the oil infrastructure.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:16 AM
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27. Here's his whole plan
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:23 AM
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28. It's not a good plan...
as I said, to me, it's reckless.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:35 PM
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30. Well then John Kerry is reckless too
Because it's very similar to what he's been recommending for years. I think it's reckless, and just plain phony, to label any Democratic plan reckless or abandonment. That's really using those right wing talking points that is being blamed on Obama. Where's Krugman now? Oh yeah, still supporting John Edwards. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:33 AM
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15. Very Well Written...
Everyone should read this. Rec.

-Paige
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:10 PM
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19. I just wish people would pay less attention to celebrity endorsements,...
media hype, and other superficial bs and focus more on the real qualities that will make a difference on our country's future. I'd hate to see our country miss this opportunity for the wrong reasons.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:04 PM
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20. Kicking this up because I've just been inspired again by reading Biden's Senate floor
speeches on Iraq and watching KADs video. It should be required viewing/reading.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:23 PM
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21. I agree, K Gardner. The more people learn about Sen. Biden...
the more his support grows.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:19 AM
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29. I couldn't agree more! I especially liked this:
"For Biden it's not about being the #1 big-shot. He wants to take on the Republican challenger so that he can then get our country that has been so long adrift back on course. He's got all the tools and he's dying to put them to use to end the hemorrhaging we've been undergoing for a dangerously long period of time. This, my friends, is no time to take chances."

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks for a great post.

:kick:
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:33 PM
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31. Kick
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