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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 08:57 PM
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A talking point Kucinich used to justify support of Ron Paul goes all the way back to May.
You may recall that in explaining why he was "thinking of Ron Paul", he said that the country needs a left wing and a right wing, "like an eagle". He also used this talking point in May of 2007.

"America needs a President with the ability and willingness to unite people of diverse political views," Kucinich said, "Let us never forget that the symbol of our country, the American eagle, needs two wings to fly <a left wing and a right wing. I'm prepared to reach out to all Americans. We all deserve to be heard. and we all deserve to be represented."


http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/kucinich-joins-congressional-black-caucus%10fox-debate/

This doesn't appear to be just a glitch, but a longstanding notion of Dennis Kucinich.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 08:59 PM
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1. sounds like triangulation.
Clinton supporters rejoice - you have a new fallback candidate!

;-)
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:01 PM
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3. Except that five of Clinton's triangles could fit into Dennis' one triangle. n/t
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:14 PM
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6. she's more practiced at it, assuredly. n/t
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Spoonerian Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:03 PM
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7. There's a big difference:
Kucinich is willing to ally with the right on libertarian common ground.

Whereas, the Clintons are only willing to ally with the right on authoritarian grounds. Big difference.

So with with a Kucinich-style alliance with the right, we get a reduction in the military industrial complex and an increase in civil liberties.

With a Clinton-style alliance with the right, we get an increase in the military industrial complex and a reduction in civil liberties.

Clinton has plenty of fallback candidates in Obama, Edwards, Biden, and probably Richardson and Dodd. Most of whom have and will continue to vote money to increase the military industrial complex and reduce individual freedom--their most recent vague policy precscriptions notwithstanding.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:00 PM
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2. So? I would hope that any candidate's actions would be consistent
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 09:02 PM by Occam Bandage
with their previously stated beliefs. DK believes that the country needs a vibrant left wing and a vibrant right wing to be successful. He later says he likes the most right-wing man running for President, because he believes the country needs both a vibrant left wing and a vibrant right wing. What am I supposed to be thinking here? "Oh, looks like DK is consistent in his beliefs regarding the benefits of dual hyperpartisanship?"

I think DK and RP are both bad candidates. I also think this is a bullshit line of attack against DK.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:01 PM
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4. Sucked when Lincoln tried it, too.
Oh, wait...no it didn't.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:07 PM
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5. You know something about the Opposition, Lo Z?
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 09:07 PM by patrice
They're NEVER going to just go away. They will not be annihilated. There will ALWAYS be an opposition and, unless, you're into oppression like some folks, somekind of buy-in is useful. This is expecially true because the Opposition, often contains at least some mis- or under- informed folks who actually belong you, but just don't know it yet. And unless these folks don't matter, unless "your side" is so over-whelming in strength and stability that it doesn't need anyone else (in which case you may well be the Oppressor), it's best to at least consider some respect for the "Opposition". That's not a sell-out, it's not a compromise, nor "flip-flopping". Being able to function in a dialectic IS strength.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:07 PM
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8. I think I remember hearing him say that in 2004
It's not a new theme of his.

I disagreed with his mentioning Ron Paul as a potential teammate.

However, Kucinich is right, in that there are two impulses in this country, the liberal and conservative. And the balance of the tussle is what ultimately defines us as a nation.

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