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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:26 PM
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Anyone else think that Obama's rockstar treatment is ultimately going to backfire?
I like Obama. I like him more than many other Dem candidates.

But after listening to Oprah's "Iowa, he's the One" intro, and watching his speech to an adoring crowd at the Jefferson Jackson dinner, I feel a backlash building. The image he's putting out is so... theatrical. And in the end, most voters don't want to hear about how you're "the one", they want to hear you speak to concerns that *show* you're the one. They don't want to be told, they want to be convinced.

Bill Clinton is the master at that. I'm not much of a fan of Clinton's years as president, but damn, when I hear the man speak... he's got facts, he's got figures, he's got experience, and he weaves them all together into a vision so clear, you wonder why no one else ever articulated it that way before.

I'm concerned that Barack's image is getting bigger than his politics. And if it keeps on that way, there will be a backlash. No question about it. I think he should jettison all the celebrities, even Oprah, before it's too late. Is it just me that sees this coming?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:28 PM
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1. If the media paid as much attention to say, Dennis Kucinich's campaign, and
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 12:32 PM by Old Crusoe
if Oprah Winfrey had endorsed Kucinich, it would be interesting to take a reading of the Iowa caucus landscape then.

Or Dodd, Gravel, Biden, etc.

The variables of celebrity and media coverage versus grassroots activists' support and eventual January 3rd turn-out are going to be great stories.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:29 PM
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2. If we are talking in the primaries, than I say Def not
We are almost at Iowa, and for this to backfire for him, I think there needs to be a lot more time.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:56 PM
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41. Ah, I may disagree with that.
I think it's happening a little too early. There is still three weeks for him to be "in the spotlight" as the frontrunner.

The big variable I can't compute is that week between Christmas and New Years. Are the campaigns going to be quiet then? Will there be any negativity? If so, how will it play?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:31 PM
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3. Only if he goes into a premature victory lap, which is highly unlikely
After this weekend, he should get back to modest-sized events with likely caucus-goers; still a lot of undecideds out there.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:31 PM
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4. I liked the idea of Obama.
When I first heard of him --I really did. It all seemed so good on paper.

Then I got a look at him.

The problem with Obama drawing this much attention to himself so quickly is that he doesn't hold up well to scrutiny. There's no "there" there.

Bill Clinton had the substance to back up his inspirational rhetoric.

Ironically, I feel Hillary has the substance of Bill without the flash.

Obama has the flash of Bill without the substance.


I'm going to vote for the substance.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 05:04 PM
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42. He's a slogan with a messiah complex
The politics of hype and estrangement.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 06:12 PM
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43. exactly so
and there's this implicit sense in his "Audacity of Hope" that if you don't buy into his message that something is wrong with you.

All in all, I get this Tony Robbins vibe from him. Like he's one of those self-help promotional speakers.

Maybe that's why Oprah likes him so much.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:33 PM
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5. Nope. If Oprah keeps doing these events, it will cease to be news.
She'll become part of the Obama landscape.

If she stops doing these events, that will stop the coverage, too.

The news cycle has its way, in the end.

This is getting more coverage here on DU than it is on cable news, frankly.

I'm gonna watch Al Gore get the NOBEL now.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:33 PM
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6. Someone who likes a specific political candidate - horrors!
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:33 PM
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7. I think it's already backfiring.
It's just too big and showy.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:35 PM
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8. Where do you see it backfiring?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:37 PM
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9. I'm not an Oprah fan, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
And it has nothing to do with race or gender.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:40 PM
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13. I'm not an oprah fan either, Im just wondering where you see this backfiring
From what Ive seen the press over this Oprah thing has been nothing but glowing. Yesterday's rallies were huge successes and today's even in South Carolina will probably be an enormous help for him because he will be reaching out to an enormous amount of black people in the state, many of whom are not sure he can win. There is a good chance if he can hit it out of the park today, he can turn a lot of the folks into supporters of him right then and there and win SC.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:47 PM
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16. That's great
for those who trust Oprah's judgement and choices. That may be a good number of people too. There may also a more silent population who don't care much what the glowing media has to say, or who a celebrity like Oprah supports.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:00 PM
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18. Except Obama will be there too
If he can seal the deal with many people there, that will prove this event to be an immense help.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:44 PM
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15. Backfiring? you should see the crowds gathering as we speak for Obama in SO. Carolina...
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:57 PM
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30. are the crowds gathering for Obama or Oprah, that's the big question.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:37 PM
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10. Meh..I think Bill is not what he used to be...
He certainly has made quite a few missteps this time around.
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:38 PM
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11. Obama is a media-built phenom.....brittle, celebrity status.,,,JUST because of his race.
There's no body of work, actual accomplishments in influencing legislation behind the guy.....just hype.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:58 PM
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17. No influencing legislation?
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/good_government_responsible_spending/

Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act

Senator Obama worked closely with Senator Coburn, to draft and ultimately pass the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act. President Bush signed this measure into law in September of 2006.

This important bill will bring badly needed transparency to Federal spending by creating a user-friendly website to search all government contracts, grants, earmarks, and loans, thereby opening up Federal financial transactions to public scrutiny. This measure was cosponsored by more than 40 Senators and received the support of more than 100 outside groups from all parts of the political spectrum. It was also endorsed by dozens of editorial boards across the country from the Wall Street Journal, to the Chicago Sun-Times and The Oklahoman.

The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act

Hidden, last-minute earmarks hide pork and add to wasteful federal spending. Senator Obama sponsored the Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act. The bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists. Several of these provisions were included in the ethics and lobbying reform bill that passed the Senate in January 2007

Restricting No-Bid Contracts

Senator Obama has been a leader in the fight to prevent the abuse of no-bid contracts. He believes that competition is good for American business, helping to ensure high quality and low costs for products and services purchased by the government. Senator Obama shares the outrage of many Americans who are embarrassed by reports of waste and fraud in government contracting for hurricane relief and recovery in the Gulf Coast. Current audit findings estimate the waste at more than $2 billion. This waste not only defrauds taxpayers; it deprives vulnerable citizens who are struggling to restore their livelihoods in the wake of a national tragedy. To stop these abuses, Senator Obama introduced amendments to the Homeland Security and Defense spending bills to reinforce the requirements for competitive procedures in contracting and to limit the use of unnecessary exceptions by government officials. Senator Obama has continued to aggressively conduct oversight actions to bring FEMA into compliance with these laws.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/tax_reform/

Increasing the Child Tax Credit

Senator Obama has co-sponsored the Working Family Child Assitance Act along with Senators Snowe and Lincoln, to adjust the income requirement for the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit. This will put more money in the pockets of more working families with children, who are struggling to make ends meet.

In addition, Senator Obama introduced an amendment in the 109th Congress that would provide immediate tax relief to low-income working families from the Gulf Coast disaster areas by enhancing the refundable portion of the child tax credit. As a change from current law, children would no longer be denied a benefit because their parents’ incomes are too low.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/defense/

Destroying Surplus and Unguarded Conventional Weapons

Small weapons have been responsible for four out of five casualties in recent US conflicts. There are countless caches of older mortars, antipersonnel landmines, and other dangerous weapons spread across the globe. These caches are minimally secured and make attractive targets for terrorists. For instance, shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles have hit more than 40 civilian aircraft and killed more than 600 people since the 1970s. The U.S. government's current response to threats from conventional weapons stockpiles is inadequately funded.

Senator Obama has partnered with Foreign Relations Committee Ranking Member Dick Lugar (R-IN) to address this looming security vulnerability. In 1991, Senator Lugar helped craft the sweeping Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program to enable the former Soviet Union to safeguard and dismantle its enormous stockpiles of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, related materials, and delivery systems. The program has deactivated or destroyed 6,760 nuclear warheads.

After visiting weapons stockpiles in Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan, Senators Lugar and Obama introduced the Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006 in the 109th Congress, which would expand the cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons. The Lugar-Obama bill would energize the U.S. program against unsecured lightweight anti-aircraft missiles and other conventional weapons and would strengthen the ability of America's allies to detect and interdict illegal shipments of weapons and materials of mass destruction. Funding would be provided to eliminate unsecured conventional weapons and to assist countries in improving their ability to detect and interdict materials and weapons of mass destruction. The Lugar-Obama bill was included in the Department of State Authorities Act of 2006 and was signed into law by President Bush in January 2007.

Health Care

Senator Obama successfully passed legislation in the Senate to force the Pentagon to work towards an efficient electronic medical records system that will help ensure better care for our nation's troops. It is Senator Obama's goal for each separating service member to receive a secure electronic copy of his or her military and medical records at the time of discharge to smooth the transition to the Department of Veterans' Affairs health care system.

Traumatic Brain Injury

As a member of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has been tracking the high incidence of Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) among the veterans returning home from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. TBI is being called the signature injury of the Iraq war. Often caused by the shock wave of improvised explosive devices, TBI can result in permanent brain damage. In order to ensure that these returning heroes receive appropriate medical attention, Senator Obama passed legislation in the Senate that requires all soldiers to be assessed for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) after they return from deployments.

Protecting Troops from Avian Flu

In 2005, Senator Obama introduced and the Senate passed legislation that would require the Department of Defense to issue a plan to protect our troops from an avian flu pandemic.

Protecting Illinois' Military Bases

Senator Obama joined with other Illinois members of Congress to protect Illinois' military bases during the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) process. Illinois military bases - such as the Springfield Air National Guard, Rock Island Arsenal, Peoria Air National Guard, and Scott Air Force Base - are critical to protecting the state and the nation.

Unfortunately, despite the efforts of the Illinois delegation, the state will lose some base presence as a result of BRAC. Senator Obama will continue working with the affected communities to reduce the numbers of jobs that are lost and to ensure that the schools and communities near the affected bases continue to thrive despite BRAC.

In 2006, Senator Obama introduced an amendment that was signed into law to require the Air Force to report on its plans for future missions at bases like Springfield Air National Guard, which is scheduled to lose units as a result of BRAC. The report will include an assessment of each base's capabilities and a description of potential future missions.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/seniors/

Emergency Preparedness

In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Senator Obama introduced legislation to prevent another tragedy in which the poor and elderly are left behind during a natural disaster or terrorist attack. His proposal, which was included in the port security law signed by President Bush in 2006, requires states and localities to have emergency evacuation plans in place that take into account the special needs of senior citizens.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/crime/

Fighting the Spread of Methamphetamines

Senator Obama cosponsored the Combat Meth Act, which provides more money for fighting methamphetamine (meth), tightens controls on the sale of meth ingredients, and provides assistance to the children of meth abusers. The legislation would limit access to cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine, the primary ingredient used to make methamphetamine. This bill passed the Senate and became law in the 109th Congress.

Senator Obama has supported greater funding to fight meth through the use of Byrne Justice Assistance Grants. The Byrne Grant program provides important funding to many local Illinois law enforcement groups. For example, the Southern Illinois Enforcement Group (SIEG), a meth taskforce that polices 31 Illinois counties, pays for 5 of its 12 agents through Byrne grants. During Senate consideration of the Department of Justice funding bill, Senator Obama cosponsored an amendment to raise Byrne funding to $900 million in 2006; the amendment passed the Senate.

Sex Offenders

Senator Obama cosponsored Dru's Law which creates a nationwide sex offender database and requires greater monitoring of sex offenders upon their release from prison. The bill passed the Senate in July of 2005. This legislation was incorporated into a larger bill, the Adam Walsh Child Protection Act, which Senator Obama supported and which has been signed into law.

He also cosponsored the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act. This bill increases the penalties for sex crimes against children under the age of 12 and creates a national Internet site known as the National Sex Offender Public Registry. The bill would also provide grants to local law enforcement to assist in preventing and investigating sex crimes against minors.

Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the KIDS Act, which requires convicted sex offenders to provide their Internet identifiers, such as e-mail addresses and instant message addresses, for inclusion into the national sex offender registry.

Violence Against Women Act

Senator Obama cosponsored the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act which passed the Senate on October 4, 2005 and was subsequently signed into law. The Act provides important funding and assistance to help communities, non-profit organizations, and law enforcement combat domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking. The Act establishes a sexual assault services program and provides grants for education programs to prevent domestic violence and encourage reporting of abuses.

Security for Federal Judges

After the horrific murder of an Illinois federal judge's mother and husband, Senator Obama and Senator Durbin worked together to beef up security at our federal courthouses. The Illinois senators secured $12 million to improve security for federal judges. Senator Obama also joined Senator Durbin in requesting a Government Accountability Office investigation into additional steps that can be taken to protect judges.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/homeland_security/

Disaster Response

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, improving our nation's emergency planning and response capacity has become a priority for Senator Obama. He introduced legislation to ensure that the mistakes witnessed before and after Katrina are not repeated in the future. Language based on Senator Obama’s bill creating a National Family Locator System was included in the Fiscal Year 2007 Homeland Security Appropriations Bill.

Nuclear Waste

Within the past five years, three nuclear power plants have reported missing spent fuel. Senator Obama introduced the Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act in 2005, which would establish specific and uniform guidelines for tracking, controlling, and accounting for individual spent fuel rods or segments at nuclear power plants, including procedures for conducting physical inventories. These provisions were included in the Nuclear Security Act of 2005, which passed the Senate Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee in June of 2005.

Drinking Water Security

Senator Obama drafted an amendment to provide $37.5 million over the next five years to protect the country's drinking water from a terrorist attack. The amendment also instructs the Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control to develop the tools needed by drinking water systems to detect and respond to the introduction of biological, chemical, and radiological contaminants by terrorists. His amendment was included in the Safe Drinking Water Act, which passed the EPW Committee in July of 2005.


There's lots more, but you can get it all with the links here:

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:09 PM
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37. JUST because of his race?
Are you serious? You lose.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:49 PM
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39. I can't believe you said that "just because of his RACE?"
He is not the first African American to run for President.

Was Jesse Jackson a media darling? Al Sharpton? Shirley Chisolm?
Answers --- No, No and another NO!

As an African American woman, I am offended.


If we want to talk RACE,every President that has been elected in the United States was elected, "because of their RACE- White!"


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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:38 PM
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12. At this point none of the candidates
have really connected with voters. It remains to be seen if one of them can or if we will just be nominating the least weakest link in the chain.

I think on that latter basis Hillary still wins.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:41 PM
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14. Bill Clinton isn't what he use to be, one trick pony, Bill stated last week that
he has always been against the Iraq war? Duh! Bill, senility is setting in early bubba!!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:06 PM
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21. Yeah, Bill's laughable lie about being against the Iraq war "from the beginning" was pathetic
Bill's lame attempt at revisionist history was something I'm used to seeing from a Rovian Republican.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:02 PM
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19. Oprah gave good issue-based reasons why she supported him
I don't see anything wrong with her endorsement anymore than Barbra Streisand's praise for Hillary.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:04 PM
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20. My fear is that it will backfire in the general election
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 01:15 PM by Harvey Korman
In fact, let me give you an image of what I think will happen to Obama in the general:


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:13 PM
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22. When Hillary was the rock star it was awesome
I think a lot of people have shown themselves to be completely unobjective and completely without ethics. The attacks on Obama have been childish and racist and just get worse by the minute.

And I don't like the Clintons because I don't like their policies and I don't like their cheating fundraising and I don't like their smear tactics and I don't like their lies. Provable reasons - not phony trumped up bullshit.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:11 PM
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33. Not really.
The only ones screeching about Hillary being a "rock star" where the anti-Clinton bunch.

I love how the tables turn and Obama and Edwards supporters are trying to spin this.

Goes to show that DU has not only jumped the shark, but the shark swam out to sea LONG ago.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 04:52 PM
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40. Thank you sandnsea!
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 04:53 PM by goclark

Funny how it upsets so many, especially "Progressive" Democrats to have an African American achieve so called "Rock Star Status."

I saw John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton and RFK as Rock Stars but that was OK? ---- Interesting
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:14 PM
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23. yup. nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:21 PM
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24. Some call it "rock star" appeal...while others see it as legitimate support for a candidate
I've seen Barack Obama in person and would highly recommend it.

Is he a "rock star"?

That's a binary assessment of someone.

He's popular. He's charismatic. He's the best candidate to enter the Presidential race in 40+ years. He gets large crowds at rallies for a reason.

He's been getting a lot of people wanting to see him in person ever since he announced in Springfield, Illinois when the wind chill was -20 degrees.



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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:27 PM
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25. And, as we both know, he can wonk it up with the best of them
Here's a great clip of him getting in-depth on the health care mandate issue with a crusty old editor who (wrongly) thinks he's going to get the best of the young guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjsRcIfMj-E
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:49 PM
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28. Great clip!
Especially at the end, where he talks about transparency. I'd like to see him refine that message (and others) and get it out there, so when we're discussing Obama, we're focred to talk about ideas rather than Oprah. That's my only point.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:14 PM
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34. I agree...the info is out there for us
if we choose to use it.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:31 PM
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26. I've never seen so many sour grapes
You're right, this will doom his candidacy.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:46 PM
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27. It's sure not sour grapes with me.
I'd like Obama to win. My problem isn't just with one day of Oprah, but with the fact that the Obama image factory seems to have more prominence than Obama's political message.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:52 PM
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29. The Oprah road show...
Has been timed by strategist and planned just at the right time to supplement his current momentum to boost him beyond the point of where hillary or john will not be able to catch-up.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:02 PM
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31. Oprah has probably handed the nom to Hillary
This is now going to be a debate between Oprah and Hillary. If anyone can make Hillary sympathetic, it is Oprah. Hillary needed this. It will probably help her win the primary, and it will help her a lot in the general election. "Hillary defeats the empty culture of phony celebrity..."

Obama had the momentum before Oprah. I think Oprah will reverse that in very short order. But even if Obama wins now, he will have the Oprah baggage going into the general election.

Oprah should have cut a check and issued a press release for Obama. For Obama, letting Oprah on stage with him on national TV was a big, unnecessary gamble and most like a mistake.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:09 PM
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32. You may be right.
The last time I remember Oprah making a full-court press like this was when "Beloved" came out. I can only hope that she doesn't do the same for Obama that she did for her film.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:23 PM
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35. Oh dear ....
:spray:

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:55 PM
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36. Dream On
Oprah baggage, what are you talking about?

Oprah is not Sean Penn. Tearing down Oprah would back fire. The MSM won't be going after Oprah - she's pretty revered as an entertainer, business woman, philanthropist, and all around good gal.

You do know that Hillary & Bill have many a friends and supporters in "the empty culture of phony celebrity" and just how is Oprah is going to make Hillary sympathetic.

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:13 PM
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38. Oprah Baggage?
WTF is that? Last I checked Oprah was much more liked then others giving out endorsements at the moment. This is another desperate attempt to gain traction for Hills.
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