Hillary Clinton wobbles as her backers turn to Barack Obama

[ClarkUSA]

From tomorrow's UK Sunday Times:

The presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, the Democrat frontrunner, is facing a wave of defections by supporters to Barack Obama,
as an aura of “inevitability” about her nomination fades... A few days ago, Helen Quarles peeled off the Hillary for President bumper
stickers from her car and replaced them with Obama ’08. “I didn’t think anybody could turn me away from Hillary,” said Quarles,
who worked as a volunteer for Clinton’s first Senate election campaign in New York. “I liked her and was very fond of Bill... but
there’s something about Obama,” she said. “To me, he is the one who is going to make a difference.”

Former “Friends of Bill”, who served in the White House in 1990s but defected early on to Obama’s campaign, are not surprised by
the drift away from Hillary. Betsy Myers, a White House adviser on women’s issues - and sister of Dee-Dee Myers, Bill Clinton’s
former press secretary - is now chief operating officer for Obama’s campaign and responsible for much of its organ-isational
prowess. Myers worked with Clinton when she was first lady. “Politics are about relationships, so it was not an easy choice, but
I was really looking for a new generation of leadership skills, away from the old control and command model,” she said. “For me,
it wasn’t a vote against Hillary Clinton but a vote for Barack. He is very authentic and comfortable in his own skin and has a history
of working across the aisles for the common good... William Daley, Bill Clinton’s former secretary of commerce, is another prominent
Obama backer...“He’s an extremely talented young fellow, who I have watched grow. He can strongly convey to the world that
there is a different generation and a different style about America,” William Daley said. “I’ve known the president and Mrs Clinton
for a long time and have enormous respect for them, but we’re still fresh in a new century. Among the American people there is
a bit of a Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton issue.” Daley - in common with a discreet handful of “Friends of Bill” who are backing Hillary’s
presidential bid - feels she would be better suited to the job of Senate majority leader. “It would be perfect for her,” he said. “She
would be a great person defending the Democrats and doing the back and forth on talk shows.”

Clinton’s campaign staff - normally self-assured - began to wobble last week as the polls narrowed. A po-faced press release
accusing Obama of wanting to be president since kindergarten was mocked and later explained away by Mark Penn, Clinton’s
top strategist, as a joke. Clinton herself came under fire for claiming that the “fun part” of the campaign had started - code
for going negative on her rival. In South Carolina, the latest poll shows Obama moving into first place over Clinton by 26% to
24%. In the summer Clinton held a 15-point lead. In Iowa, Obama moved into the lead in two polls last week, although the
race remains too close to call. In New Hampshire, Clinton’s formerly substantial lead over Obama has dropped to single digits.
“In both Iowa and New Hampshire, people don’t like to be told who is going to win,” Myers said. “They take their job very
seriously and like to make up their own mind.”

Judie Reever, a state representative in New Hampshire, believes Clinton is looking vulnerable for the first time. “I was initially
very excited that we were going to have a woman running for president. I met Hillary when Bill Clinton was running for office.
She was wonderful and gracious – if people said nasty things about her, I’d say, ‘That’s not my experience’. It never occurred
to me that I wouldn’t support her. All of sudden, I got the sense that she was who the Republicans would like to be the candidate.
There’s a love-hate relationship with her and when all is said and done, we’d be a divided nation even if she won - and I’m not
sure she would. Every time I heard Obama speak, I kept saying, ‘Yes!’, and I suddenly realised he was the person I was going to
support.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3022206.ece

Obama's message sounds good even to longtime Friends of Bill and Hillary. Wow! :-)

[jefferson_dem]

1. This is great news. The choice is obvious...even for some long-time Hillaryphiles...

Obama's time is now.

[dugggy]

85. If Hillary does'nt get it, Edwards has a much better chance to win in Nov 08

Obama is too young, too inexperienced in geo-politics and African-American.
A southern white such as Edwards faces much less prejudice in Amerika.

[BearSquirrel2]

2. Obama isn't my favorite ...

Obama isn't my favorite until he vows to do away with so called "Free Trade". However, of all the Democratic candidates, he seems to be the most electable. He actually polls surprisingly well with Republican voters. I think there are a lot of parallels to be made between him and JFK.

[ClarkUSA]

9. Have you watched this?

Ted Sorenson, JFK aide and speechwriter for 11 years, agrees with you. In this YouTube video, he draws parallels between Obama and JFK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hupgC1d-St8

Also:

Barack Obama is JFK heir, says Kennedy aide

John F Kennedy's closest living aide has anointed Barack Obama as the heir to the assassinated president's legacy and predicted that Hillary Clinton
would lose an election to a Republican.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/12/wobama112.xml

This column was written by Sorenson:

At the time, Washington pundits assumed Kennedy had at least two insurmountable obstacles. The first was his lack of experience, especially compared with the senior statesmen also seeking that nomination — Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, Adlai Stevenson and Stuart Symington. Kennedy acknowledged that his age and inexperience would turn away some voters. Obama, though older than Kennedy, is similarly dismissed by some today. But Kennedy noted in one speech that "experience is like tail-lights on a boat which illuminate where we have been when we should be focusing on where we should be going."

Kennedy's second major obstacle was his heritage. Some said he had lost his chance to be president of the United States the day he was born — or, at least, the day he was baptized as a Roman Catholic. No Catholic had ever been elected president of the United States, and the overwhelming defeat suffered by the only Catholic nominated for that position, Governor Al Smith of New York in 1928, had persuaded subsequent Democratic leaders that it would be hopeless ever to risk that route again. The conviction that no Catholic could win was greater, in that less enlightened era 50 years ago, than the widespread assumption today that a black presidential candidate cannot win. The subtly bigoted phrase most often repeated in that election year — by former President Harry Truman, among others — was that 1960 was "too early" for a Catholic president, that the country was "not ready," and that Kennedy should be a "good sport" by settling for the vice presidency. No doubt Obama will hear — or has already heard — similar sentiments about the color of his skin.

Even some Catholic religious leaders — who thought Kennedy was not Catholic enough, having attended secular schools and expressed disagreement with the Catholic hierarchy on church-state separation — opposed his candidacy. So did some Catholic political leaders who thought his candidacy might raise unwanted controversies or produce an unwanted rival to their own positions (much as Al Sharpton and Vernon Jordan may not initially welcome an Obama candidacy). But, in time, Kennedy's speeches and interviews strongly favoring traditional church-state separation reassured all but the most bigoted anti-Catholics. In the end, despite his ethnic handicap, Kennedy proved to be less divisive than his major opponent, fellow senator Hubert Humphrey. Obama may prove the same.

Much more here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/20/opinion/main3082384.shtml

[ChairmanAgnostic]

39. But Romney Already claimed JFK first!

I was quite young when JFK was elected, and still recall the details in school when he was shot.

There is a sense of excitement about his campaign, you can sense it in the air. I have read some present and former hillary supporters say the craziest things, like a vote for Obama is a waste, that his support is reverse racism, that a muslim can't be elected in the US, and more. As they screw up more frequently, and continue going on attack, it is easy to see why some are heading over to Barack's side.

[Munch]

87. Not surprising...

Barack Obama is JFK heir, says Kennedy aide

Yes, I believe that.

Like JFK, Obama has brilliance, charisma and wit.

Like JFK, he is young and lacks experience.

Like JFK, Obama (while exuding an aura of excitement and enthusiasm to "pass the torch" to a new generation) will not be building a new, progressive administration in Washington. He leans to the center-right as much (or more so) than Hillary Clinton.

Does anyone besides aging Boomers remember what happened during the brief administration of John F. Kennedy?

Bay of Pigs. Cuban Missile Crisis.

Indeed. The parallels between JFK and Obama are close enough to scare some of us.

The Middle East holds no fewer dangers now than did the Cold War half a century ago.

Since Obama is a shoo-in in Illinois, I might just vote for Oprah.

We get what we deserve in this country when the cult of celebrity guides our leadership choices. What kind of crowds would Barack Obama draw without Oprah by his side. And what happens to individual thought and judgment when 10,000 people gather together. That also scares me. Obama may not be a demagogue -- but this is exactly the sort of environment in which demagoguery thrives. Before anyone gets too impressed by the size of the crowds, remember that Hitler in Germany drew large numbers of enthusiastic supporters.

I am NOT SUGGESTING that Barack Obama in any way resembles Adolph Hitler.

I am suggesting that we change our criteria from style to substance. That may be asking too much since humans naturally gravitate towards youth, charisma, wit and charm. After all, what else is really driving Obama's presidential run (policy papers notwithstanding).

Democracy in America? It's the Greatest Show on Earth.

[datavg]

50. Obama...

...can't do away with free trade. It's bigger than all of us.

Are you going to shut down the Internet? I doubt it.

Are you going to shut down Boeing's part sourcing for the 747? Parts for that are made all over the world.

Free trade is here. It is permanent and that's it. Clinton didn't sign NAFTA because he wanted to, he signed it because someone told him to.

If the nominee is Hillary, she gets blown out in Florida. If the nominee is Obama, he gets blown out everywhere.

Looking at the field, I think we're gonna get another 'Pub. Either that, or Hillary will win Florida and the election and we'll have another eight years of very moderate Republicanism. She'll try to put in mandatory health insurance for all Americans and the party will revolt that she didn't genuflect at the altar of single payer.

We needed Gore.

[msongs]

3. i doubt that hillary clinton is wobbling over this nt

[Olney Blue]

4. Ouch. This isn't a good article for Hillary.

[FogerRox]

11. And her campaign maybe stalling

could be just a bump or if it continues, it will be a trend.

HRC lost the straw caucus in NJ last night, in the 1st round.

HRC lost the straw caucus in NJ last night, in the 1st round.

[aquart]

5. "She was who the Republicans would like..."

Gosh, I wonder who told her that piece of fuzzy math. Some people will always be starfuckers. And Obama, we all know, is a rock star.

[earthlover]

29. Gees...maybe the "fuzzy math" is the polling that says 50% of voters would never vote for her

What's really fuzzy is how we can get 51% under those circumstances....

[MindMatter]

77. It is worse than that. Much worse

She has HUGE negatives, making it very difficult for a Clinton ticket to get 50% on a polling basis. But the INTENSITY of the negatives means that she would energize the other side, and that is worth an extra 5% of election day turnout easily. If you cannot get 50% on your own and you energize the other side, you cannot win, period.

She had a fair opportunity to change those attitudes during this campaign. But what we got from her was the usual Clinton triangulation bullshit. She took no positions on anything and failed to give us any reason to get excited about where she would lead us. I had a somewhat open mind until the day that she voted to give Bush a blank check to invade Iran. We don't need no Republican Lite candidates.

I don't know why it has been so hard for people to see these really obvious facts. But it does appear to be settling in just in time.

Now we need to make this a debate among the candidates who CAN get to 51% in an election that is certain to be nasty and rigged.

[jjr5]

78. That's really true.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Not against HRC but for Obama

That's what I'm seeing in that piece.

[ClarkUSA]

10. That's right, BG.

:toast:

[Think82]

7. Obama is not the only alternative, people.

Despite what the media says.

[IndyOp]

8. I am wary of Obama's magnetic attraction -- "fired up" chills me to the bone.

I want progressive policies -- and I don't think Obama represents those policies, but his personal magneticism is drawing progressives away from Edwards and Kucinich.

If Obama takes the nomination away from Hillary I'll be pleased, but I wish we could force ourselves to turn away from the cult of celebrity.

[noiretextatique]

45. i am also wary of the expectations being foisted onto him

by the likes of andrew sullivan, for example. aullivan, and others, believe his face alone will change the dynamic in the middle east. i am not sure what is a the root of that type of thinking, but it certainly not rationality.

[progressivebydesign]

56. I have YET to see an Obama supporter that cites anything other than his charisma...

In all my conversations with people who support him, people that I know, I have yet to find anyone that can articulate his positions and what he'd do differently... it's all about his PR and rockstar status. I was interested in him at first, but found zero substance and no reason to believe he offered anything that would move the country in the right direction. Sad that the election boils down to a popularity contest, cuz there's a helluva lot more to running a country than drawing big crowds and writing a vanity book.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

61. against the IWR and Iraq War

beyond that he predicted everything that would happen in Iraq, before it happened. I was very impressed by that.

He is for immediate raises in CAFE standards and understands the need to get America off its addiction to oil.

He will tie minimum wage to increases in inflation.

He will pursue our enemies wherever they may be, regardless of who is coddling them (ie Pakistan).

He will engage so-called rogue states and IMO turn potential enemies into potential allies.

These are just a few things that stand out about his policies. But if you haven't seen anything of substance by now it's probably because you aren't interested in finding out. The information is out there and to say he has zero substance just proves you don't want to know more about him. He's created numerous controversies about his policies over the past few months. How do you do that with zero substance??

[zazzle]

71. Not a fair comparison because he couldn't vote

but as soon as he COULD VOTE - Obama began "supporting the troops" by voting with Repubs for every war funding bill and voting against timetables.
That's not leadership!
Obama endorsed Lieberman - and Bill Clinton campaigned with him so they obviously wanted him back in the senate.
Follow the money....follow the campaign money....

[emilyg]

66. Agree 100%

[MissDeeds]

43. I agree with you

The media is attempting to select the candidates for us, and I am sick to death of this "either or" blather.

[Plucketeer]

65. I'm with you on that point!

Damned media just flat IGNORES anyone else in the field unless they somehow collide with the chosen two. :grr:

[MindMatter]

76. He's the only other one the MSM would be happy to see running.

[jenmito]

12. THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE!

I can feel it in the air-things are definitely shifting towards Obama and away from the Clintons-yesterday's news. :toast:

[ClarkUSA]

13. Doncha luv it?

Obama is drawing them in! Can't wait for the Iowa caucuses. :toast:

[jenmito]

15. YES!

Things are defintely going his way. I saw a little bit of Bill Clinton in S.C. today (trying to step on Obama's event tomorrow) and he just looked so "old school" talking about "Me Me Me" and not "Hillary Hillary Hillary." He had to put his glasses on to read about something he did as governor of Arkansas, and I rolled my eyes. I LOVE(D) Bill Clinton, but Obama is the one we need to take us where we need to go! :toast:

[JeffR]

16. Hey now

Some of us have to put on our glasses just to get out of bed in the morning!:crazy:

[jenmito]

17. Not me. I sleep with my contacts in. I can't see without 'em.

:)

[JeffR]

21. I see

;-)

[jenmito]

22. So do I...

with my contacts. :)

[ClarkUSA]

23. lol

The Clintons are so "been there, done that" and their approach to campaigning is so ponderous not to mention mendacious. Has no one told Bill he sounds
like a friggin' narcissist or is that the "two-for-one" game plan because Hillaryworld WANTS voters to think a Clinton II administration will be a mirror image
of Clinton I? The reading glasses thingy is a hoot, btw.

It's really, seriously time to turn the page on the Clintonian era. :kick:

[jenmito]

24. Yup...

It was funny that THs were talking about Bill Clinton trying to "upstage" Obama by campaigning in S.C. the day before Obama and Oprah. All the commentators agreed that Oprah is a bigger draw than Bill since Bill has already been there and of COURSE he's going to campaign for his wife. (The fun part is waiting for him to mess up again and then watch him blame the media). :D

[ClarkUSA]

25. rofl

I'm waiting for the next Bill foot-in-mouth incident, too -- and the accompanying whine when the media (that includes bloggers) chuckles/rolls their
collective eyes. As for Bill upstaging Oprah (or Hillary's mom and daughter), it's obvious Hillaryworld gave it a try. It failed miserably, though. I
can't wait to see who else they have up their sleeve this weekend. Or is that it? ;-)

[jenmito]

26. I know...

Same here. No, that's it. Bill in S.C. and they "pulled out all the stops" with Chelsea and her grandmother in IA! One reporter actually tried comparing them, saying "both campaigns are pulling out their big guns this weekend." :rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

32. That is too funny.

Shame on Bill for saying the media gets it wrong. :rofl:

Yesterday's gone....

[calteacherguy]

18. Yep, Yesterday's gone.

Don't stop thinking about tomorrow
It'll soon be here...heh heh

[jenmito]

19. It'll be here, better than before...

yesterday's gone...yesterday's go-o-one! :D

[calteacherguy]

14. You beat me to it.

:-)

[ClarkUSA]

20. What can I tell ya?

Great minds think alike. ;-)

[jenmito]

27. K&R! (I forgot to do so earlier).

:hi:

[Tresalisa]

28. Things are definitely starting to get in-te-res-ting!

I'm not so sure it's a good idea to have Bill on the stump so much for Hillary. My feeling is he can't stop talking about himself enough to talk about her. And at times he has put his foot in his mouth.

[Imagevision]

30. I look forward to finally having a President elected by the people (not diebold) and for the people

just real change for chrisse sakes!!!

[progressivebydesign]

55. What makes you think that the election is rigged again? Nothing's changed. n/t

[ripple]

31. Sweet, sweet, sweet!!!

It's nice to know that my concerns about a Hillary nomination are shared. She's as inevitable as the tissue paper she's trying tread so carefully on.

[Beacool]

33. If they're so easily dissuaded, then they were not her supporters

to begin with. I see nothing in Obama but a guy who gives nice speeches and speaks platitudes about change and hope, but is without substance.

[Donkeykick]

44. Amen!

:toast:

[flordehinojos]

34. hillary ... it is poppy bush that you are really battling. not so much oprah and obama, even when it

seems to be so.

[Egnever]

35. Ouch

[Perry Logan]

36. Guys, stop torturing yourselves. It's gonna be Hillary.

[indimuse]

37. Yeah...right..

He's TOO divisive! AND UNELECTABLE...PERIOD. OPERAH JUST VALIDATED THAT....Where was she when we needed her to speak out for Kerry? Gore....? SORRY very obvious why....READ between the lines. OH! This CHANGE thing..hmmmm A WOMAN would be a CHANGE...Especially an Experience in LIFE and Politics one who is NOT STILL IN DIAPERS.....please.:crazy:

[Rockholm]

41. Read between the lines?

You mean....like the color lines?

[peace frog]

60. OPERAH?

Oh I get it now! That's when the fat lady sings, right? Right? :eyes:

[emilyg]

67. LOL

[madmom]

38. Sorry still can't vote for Oprah, oops I mean Obama

[earthlover]

40. Then will you vote for Steisand, oops I mean Hillary?

OR will you vote for Bill?

[madmom]

42. show me where in my post I said I backed Hillary!

[NYCGirl]

47. Or are you leaning towards Bonnie Raitt...I mean Edwards. Or Sean Penn,

AKA Dennis Kucinich?

[madmom]

48. that makes my point exactly because I did not know they endorsed any one!!

[NYCGirl]

49. Then you must not have been here on DU for the last week. NT

[madmom]

53. No as a matter of fact I haven't but I have watched news and read newspapers

I knew about Oprah, not about the others.

[earthlover]

82. could you show me where I said you did? I just asked a question!

Hillary has Streisand and a former president campaigning for her.

Obama has the endorsement of Oprah, among others.

Is there anything intrinsically evil or wrong about accepting endorsements?

If so, please elaborate.

I wish someone big would endorse Biden. I am starting to lean towards Biden. But I just cannot for the life of me understand why Oprah endorsing a Democrat is a bad thing. Would it be better if she endorsed a REpublican? What is the problem here? I think it is a good thing she is endorsing a Democrat.

[Trucker Bob]

46. As a Canadian......

it could be said that I don't have a dog in this fight. However, as a person who spent many years trucking around the US, and who as a retiree spends 6 months a year in the US, I have a deep affection for your country.

Bill Clinton, who I would willingly pay to listen to, unfortunately has the morals of an alley cat. Hillary Clinton, who no one could pay me to listen to, unfortunately has the morals of an alley fighter. I'm not so sure that this is what is needed to begin to repair the monumental damage inflicted on your image world-wide by the evil cabal presently in power.

[Renew Deal]

51. Interesting observation.

Thanks!

[ClarkUSA]

63. A warm welcome to DU, Trucker Bob!

Your observations are true as rain. Thank you for still liking this country after all the ruin Bush II has wrought -- and for his providing Harper the
"compassionate conservative' template with which to become PM.

[emilyg]

68. I love alley cats.

[PATRICK]

75. An even bigger

point than Bill as upstaging yet unhelpful campaigner is how he will be the world's biggest albatross around an actual Hillary presidency. Selling him as a the number one aide in any policy area could backfire 100 times worse than Hillary's foray into health care. He steals her gravitas like the larger star in a destructive binary system. yet she needs him both politically and in policy moves. This idea of a co-presidency can't work anymore than his political teaming when HE does not have the top "Bill"ing.

His gaffes to date pretty much cement that opinion for me. His attempts to edit history for example cannot succeed under the gross double standards that apply to the Boy King and the GOP. Nor can he really challenge them for all his "fight" and force. The efficient fighter machine that was supposed to give the party confidence after two sandbaggings is not working.

And it is early. The real messing up has not even begun. The dem voters are just beginning to wake up to this and this is where the nail-biting comes in.

In the end though, because Obama has been less than brilliant or progressive in key aspects, it will be a contest between others. I think Obama's awkward and new lashing out sent the vulnerabilities of the Clintons into a tailspin and the undecideds coming on board ALWAYS were lukewarm at best to the nationally weak Hillary candidacy. The one person quoted voiced her own change of heart but it speaks of every single logical point one could imagine totally derailing Hillary's campaign. The more this is voiced, the more it is all over.

Yet, there never has been a possibly losing candidacy so strongly poised to go the distance. Certainly none that have failed to. The epiphany has to come in the queasy establishment support and the judgment of voters like the above.

Right after his election Obama drew back from the DLC which had listed him as "one of their own" success stories. Since then he has made more accommodations while staying independent. His book and several quotes in the heat of the campaign shows some of those destructive Third Way notions are unfortunately embedded in his politics. If we are accommodating to the lunacy of both parties, he has enormous power but somewhere along the line, the GOP which dragged the party into the middle of the Third Way roadkill stagnancy, will start to pull the plug.

One can hope only that Obama will change because changing the country is a long way past where he is now, and perhaps winning it all as well.

In any event, he has done the party(and nation a service in testing the Clinton myths now and asserting real competition because the media granted him that opportunity). Myths that failed are being dispelled. Real choice is opening up, for example Biden. If we simply shift the spotlight to another clay messiah, trying to forget all the others according to media horse race handicapping, let the skeet shooting begin- and we will see.

[ClarkUSA]

52. Heads-up... link to full-screen online viewing of O-O rally in SC

Enjoy... the rally begins in an hour.

Link: http://ustream.tv/1vt,YsmlDTltX5Vyeow.LLF2pLttiKm7.usc

And C-SPAN is replaying the Des Moines O-O rally at 6:30 PM ET.

[progressivebydesign]

54. Try to contain your enthusiasm ClarkUSA, I think you're drooling on your keyboard.

How funny that a Murdoch owned paper would print something like this. And odder that I've not met ONE person who has wavered in their support of Hillary, in fact, it's been the opposite. I've had several people close to me that supported Obama at first, but have been having serious doubts about him.. and have gone to either Hillary or Edwards. Good to know that Rupert Murdoch is furthering Obama's cause, though

[ClarkUSA]

58. Speaking of Rupert Murdoch, nice of him to hold a fundraiser for Hillary AND contribute to her

Why don't you contact the former Friends of Bill and Hillary listed in this factual news report and ask them whether they're for real since you seem to
doubt their word? Your ad hominem attacks and questionable first-person accounts mean nothing to me and illustrate why Hillaryworlders are so
well-loved on DU.

[OzarkDem]

57. "the backers" are trying to lose the election for Dems

The only reason all the GOP donors switched to Dem candidates was so they could use the power of their funding to throw the election.
Any candidate who doesn't understand this is naive.

They don't expect a Dem candidate to carry water for them and they're not "hedging their bets", they only want to use their donations to fuck with the primaries and kill any Dem chances of winning.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

62. you do realize much of the GOP is

pissed with Bush, right?

[OzarkDem]

64. Irrelevant - they still want a GOP president in 08

[ClarkUSA]

69. Says who? There's plenty of empirical evidence that says a fair minority of them are open to Obama

Your blanket partisan opinion has no factual basis.

[OzarkDem]

84. That's a link I really must see

Do you have one? Thanks.

[Imagevision]

59. Obama “To me, he is the one who is going to make a difference.”

[zazzle]

72. Obama won't bring change - he couldn't even say 'no' to Lieberman!

He co-sponsored Lieberman's Iran bill last March which paved the way to Kyl/Lieberman! And Obama couldn't even face Lieberman then to vote against it.

Obama is a hypocrite!

http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/06/liebermans-role-in-spreading-the-good-word-about-iran

[Mrspeeker]

70. Obama & Lieberman 2008

[zazzle]

73. Exactly! Obama/Lieberman08

Obama co-sponsored Lieberman's Iran bill last March which paved the way to Kyl/Lieberman.
Edwards has learned - JoBama hasn't.

[ClarkUSA]

74. Hillary/Lieberman 08 makes more sense since they are the ONLY Dems who voted for IWR & Kyl-Lieberman

Iit's obvious Hillary is a pro-war neocon Lieberman Democrat.

[bjobotts]

79. Obama's handlers got him there and he owes a lot of corporate people

He just another corporate talking head. Only Kucinich will bring any real change. And next to him is Edwards. They must do the party's biding at any rate and these centrist dems have to be held in check. They will push Clinton and Obama and others to give us more of the same but Kucinich would not play along and neither will Edwards, telling these centrist dems they need to be more progressive. Not so with Obama or Clinton. It will be more of the same with either one.

[BenDavid]

Do you Obama folks really believe all the hype about HRC

having a lock on the nomination? This was a media invention and many, many have fallen for it. Us HRC supporters that go all the way back to 92 knew the race would tighten and true to form it has. But what is amazing is in 90% + of the polls HRC still maintains the lead. Oh it may not be as high as it once was 2 to 3 months ago, but still maintains the lead and one of the strengths of the clinton machine is the get out the vote.

Even with all this hype over Oprah smart thinking people will see through the celebrity and pass all the flattering words and ask just what it is Obama stands for? Once they understand it is all hype and not anything there, they will come back.

I still say, HRC will have enough delegated by the middle of February to have the nomination...

[BenDavid]

Do you Obama folks really believe all the hype about HRC

having a lock on the nomination? This was a media invention and many, many have fallen for it. Us HRC supporters that go all the way back to 92 knew the race would tighten and true to form it has. But what is amazing is in 90% + of the polls HRC still maintains the lead. Oh it may not be as high as it once was 2 to 3 months ago, but still maintains the lead and one of the strengths of the clinton machine is the get out the vote.

Even with all this hype over Oprah smart thinking people will see through the celebrity and pass all the flattering words and ask just what it is Obama stands for? Once they understand it is all hype and not anything there, they will come back.

I still say, HRC will have enough delegated by the middle of February to have the nomination...

[BenDavid]

80. Do you Obama folks really believe all the hype about HRC

having a lock on the nomination? This was a media invention and many, many have fallen for it. Us HRC supporters that go all the way back to 92 knew the race would tighten and true to form it has. But what is amazing is in 90% + of the polls HRC still maintains the lead. Oh it may not be as high as it once was 2 to 3 months ago, but still maintains the lead and one of the strengths of the clinton machine is the get out the vote.

Even with all this hype over Oprah smart thinking people will see through the celebrity and pass all the flattering words and ask just what it is Obama stands for? Once they understand it is all hype and not anything there, they will come back.

I still say, HRC will have enough delegated by the middle of February to have the nomination...

[BenDavid]

81. Do all you Obama folk really believe HRC had a

lock on the nomination? This was a media invention and many, many have fallen for it. Us HRC supporters that go all the way back to 92 knew the race would tighten and true to form it has. But what is amazing is in 90% + of the polls HRC still maintains the lead. Oh it may not be as high as it once was 2 to 3 months ago, but still maintains the lead and one of the strengths of the clinton machine is the get out the vote.

Even with all this hype over Oprah smart thinking people will see through the celebrity and pass all the flattering words and ask just what it is Obama stands for? Once they understand it is all hype and not anything there, they will come back.

I still say, HRC will have enough delegated by the middle of February to have the nomination...

[earthlover]

83. What is this quadruple-posting?

Saying the same thing four times does not make it so.

Hillary is fading. Obama is on the upswing.

The real campaign is starting. People are just now paying notice.

[BenDavid]

86. My apologies for the added posts. Well of course people are

paying closer attention as their date for casting a vote draws nearer. If you obama and edwards folks thought we HRC supporters believed the gap between and obama and edwards in iowa would remain then I or no one I knw here wrote as such. What I like about the whole poll taking is HRC still leads in 98% of them.

Once all this hype over Oprah dies down then folks will again turn their attention to the 3 people in the contest. Wonder why since obama has been getting all this free air time the media has not begin looking deeper into obama's past? They sure as hell are not giving Huckabee a free ride....

I just hope the media does not try to sell the public on Obama and treat him as they did bush in 2000 when most respected democrats were shouting from the rooftops there was no there, there with bush.....

Ben David