Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Which Candidate Has The Highest Risk/Reward Factor?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:49 PM
Original message
Poll question: Which Candidate Has The Highest Risk/Reward Factor?
By that I mean, which candidate could get us 60% of the vote, and a landslide victory - or be torn apart by Republicans and reduced to a cowering puddle on the tarmac?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
1. Actually, Kucinich wouldn't be torn apart by the Repukes.
Sure, they would try, but all they would have is the same stupid shit that the DLC types use against him now.

"Oh he saw a UFO". Yeah, well so did Reagan. And the Repukes ain't gonna tarnish the image of St. Ronnie.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. They would paint him as a commie bastard
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Nobody buys that shit anymore
Communism died almost 20 years ago. The fringe idiots who are still afraid of Commies hiding under the bed aren't voting for ANY Democratic candidate anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. but we havent had a candidate like DK.
They would paint him as far left as they could, because he is much more to the left than anybody we have run. And you know how the right LOVES to demean the left by calling them the FAR LEFT, or loony left.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:25 PM
Original message
They're going to do that regardless.
They labeled Kerry as far left, despite the fact that his voting record from 2000 - 2004 was anything but. They labeled Howard Dean as far left simply because he was against the Iraq invasion. They're already calling Hillary "far left" when she's much closer to "far right". Hell, the Freepers even consider Ron Fucking Paul to be "leftist" because he doesn't believe in PNAC foreign policy and has dared to question the Bush Crime Family's 9-11 myth. He's not included on their polls anymore.

And we all know how they're trying to paint "Barack Hussein Osama Obama".

Fuck what the right wingers think. Let's put the best candidate out there. The one who will return this country to what it was before December 12, 2000. America WILL vote for him, if given the chance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
13. Currently, DK has a 24% favorable rating and a 40% unfavorable rating.
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 01:31 PM by Occam Bandage
Only 8% of voters say they'd certainly vote for him, and 46% say they'd certainly vote against him. He gets his ass kicked in every head-to-head matchup, except Tancredo and Hunter. Thinking that people will suddenly start to love him once he's nominated is misguided.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. These idiotic polls are based on nothing more than name recognition.
And the corporate whore media ignores Dennis. They ignored Howard Dean as well, until his grassroots support made it impossible.
Bottom line is... Rupert Murdoch, GE, and Rasmussen (who is just as right wing as they are) should not be allowed to choose OUR nominee.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. DK's name recognition is at 70%. And people who hadn't heard of him were not asked about him.
Try again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
16. By 2003, Kerry STILL had the most liberal lifetime voting record of any of the
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 01:36 PM by blm
Dem candidates including Kucinich. His lifetime rating was just 3% off of Wellstone's.

I've supported Dennis Kucinich since 1972, and rode it out with him even when he was considered a DINO by many fellow Democrats. By 2003 he showed I was right to trust he had the heart of a liberal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Maybe not as a communist, but as a pacifist loone.
And Americans will not vote for a perceived pacifist. The Republicans will say he'll do away entirely with the military, which they'll say will leave us vulnerable to an attack and with that fear mindset, American voters will vote for the Republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. I even have doubts about DK and whether or not he is a pacifist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. This is common sense, not pacifism
"Does anyone in the world deny that the United States military is the strongest the planet has ever seen? Does anyone seriously believe that any country on earth can remain on the battlefield against the United States more than a half hour?

The United States must now embrace strength through peace. Because we spend more than the rest of the world combined we will clearly remain the world’s most powerful nation. But with that power comes a great responsibility. We must use our unrivaled power to lead, not to bully, the rest of the world. War must truly become the last desperate measure of self defense, not the handy policy tool it is now used for. "


http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/strength-through-peace/

Nowhere in that statement is anything that can be distorted to say that he would do away with the military.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. We're talking about the same Republicans, right?
You know, the same Republicans that painted Kerry as a fake when it came to Vietnam? Look, Republicans are good at making shit up and they will twist whatever Kucinich has said in the past to sound like he's 100% anti-military. With MSM on their side, the American people will hear it over and over again, which will hurt his candidacy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Like I said before
The 24 percenters who still believe in the Chimp aren't going to vote for ANY Democratic candidate, whether they're a real Democrat like Dennis, or a DLC Bush-lite, because the whore media spin will be the same either way. That's why it's pointless to keep dragging this party to the right in an attempt to get those votes, while abandoning millions who would love to vote for a REAL traditional Democrat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. It's not just the 24%.
There are a lot of middle of the road voters who voted for Bush that will be scared into voting for the Republican candidate because they will paint Kucinich as a far left, military hating vegan.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
3. "which candidate could get us 60%" -Richardson "cowering puddle on the tarmac" - Edwards
I'm splitting my poll ballot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
5. Highest risk? Clinton. Highest reward? Clinton. Why? Well because I've got a warped sense of humor.
The thought of all the right-wingers' heads exploding is a very exciting reward to a Clinton presidency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
7. Obama
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
8. Clinton - hands down.
she's been handling it ok so far, but opponents will NEVER let up on her. It will either turn people off to Clinton, or to the smearrereres
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:25 PM
Response to Original message
10. Edwards best anti-Fascist government for the people... Clinton worst train wreck
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:25 PM
Response to Original message
11. Kucinich supports GUN CONTROL and banning hand guns
Its a deal breaker for a huge number of Americans - blue states flipping red all over the place. There's no way to spin it - Kucinich as always, believes he is right, can win the argument and will not back down. It would be debacle. Add in the money the Health industry will throw at his proposal to totally ban private health insurance and you have the worse defeat since McGovern.

Vote for whoever you believe in, but Kucinich winning 2008 is pure fantasy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. If I may quote the late Southern poet Ronnie Van Zant
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 02:04 PM by Kucinich4America
"Handguns are made for killin'. They ain't no good for nothin' else."

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Dennis_Kucinich_Gun_Control.htm

There were no handguns or assault weapons when the 2nd Amendment was written, and there certainly weren't armor piercing bullets, or gun shows who deliberately provide weapons to psychos and criminals.

Personally, I have no problem with sane, law abiding adults owning a reasonable number of firearms, but the "gun show loophole" must be dealt with. Most of the criminals whose names you read in the news probably obtained their weapons this way. The Columbine killers did. I'll bet that bastard in Omaha yesterday did as well.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
14. Biden would reduce the Republicans to a cowering puddle
As he said, he would eat them for lunch in the debates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
22. Kooch is the highest risk AND the highest payoff
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC