"I wonder which world leader told her we needed to invade Iraq."

[BeyondGeography]

Good comeback.

==After Clinton ridiculed Obama's comment about gaining his foreign policy experience living abroad as a youth by pointing to the dozens of world leaders she knows personally, Obama retorted, ``I wonder which world leader told her that we needed to invade Iraq.''

Say that at a debate, and Obama's image would change overnight...==

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_carlson&sid=arvZFMfhE.t4

Hadn't heard this smackdown line before...Barack, put it in your speeches, use it at all debates, nothing could deflate her so-called experience advantage, which is the only leg she's still standing on, quicker and more effectively.

[Sultana]

1. ...

:rofl: good smackdown.

Hill knows world leaders personally because they are Bill's friends.

[madeline_con]

2. Where are the rabidHill supporters?

They should be here by now. :shrug:

[0007]

5. Where are those backers of the hill?

Kitty sez they need more information
Feed me

[yurbud]

10. they don't have their script for the thread yet.

[Cameron27]

3. She never said we needed to invade Iraq.

Look, I've never defended anyone's IWR vote because it's not defensible IMO, but her mistake was in trusting Bush, not in wanting an invasion:

snip: "We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

snip: While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

snip: So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

She also voted for the Byrd Force-Termination Amendment: ... would provide for the termination of Congressional authorization of the use of force by one year after the resolution's enactment unless the president certifies that extension is necessary or Congress enacts into law a one-year extension of the authorization.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/apr/05/compare_and_contrast_hillarys_and_edwards_votes_on_iraq

[BeyondGeography]

4. Then you're back to saying the vote for IWR was not a vote for war

Technically true. Problem is, most people made their minds up about that a long time ago.

I don't think Hillary trusted Bush (another unsellable argument); I think she calculated her way into a political mistake.

[Cameron27]

6. Some did vote for war,

but after reading through that speech, I don't think she was doing that. It was horrible judgment, and I can understand why it's a deal breaker for supporting her, but I don't think she was voting for an invasion.

[aquart]

13. I agree.

Of course, Obama (cough "Present." cough) would never be so calculating and he would never make a mistake when he was.

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. Listen to yourself:

>>>but her mistake was in trusting Bush,>>>>

Well, that's quite a mistake... is it not? Did *you* trust him?

I didn't!

[Cameron27]

12. Yes, absolutely it was quite a mistake...

and here we are at war. I'm not trying to let her off the hook, she was wrong, but I think she's less culpable than some others who really were gung-ho invasion.

[earthlover]

16. But she also voted AGAINST the Levin Amendment on the same day

The Levin Amendment would have sent it to the UN for further investigation, and would have required another Congressional vote later to authorize a war. If she had voted for Levin, which failed, she could then have voted for the IWR with a more believable way to say she tried to avoid a rush to war.

[aquart]

14. Do NOT mistake an apologist's reasoning for the candidate's real thoughts.

But you really weren't making that mistake, were you?

I, myself, am quite pleased that you have found a candidate you can trust never to make a mistake.

Awestruck, even.

[Smarmie Doofus]

15. There's a million dead people in Iraq....

>>>I, myself, am quite pleased that you have found a candidate you can trust never to make a mistake.>>>

... that might not have considered her 'mistake' as trivial as you seem to.

Were they alive today.

[killbotfactory]

11. She trusted Bush, who had previously pledged to take Saddam out

to not rush to war?

[Beacool]

8. Where are we?

We just got bored with the constant Hillary bashing. Why bother answering every nasty post? I know who I'm voting for and who will eventually win the nomination. The rest is just a distraction.

[Smarmie Doofus]

9. Score! n/t