"Theres not much difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage"

[Clintonista2]

Who said it?

[Clintonista2]

1. ANSWER:

Obama

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Link With Entire Quote, Please...

[silverweb]

2. Would you care to provide a context?

Maybe even a link?

[Occam Bandage]

8. Obama's later quote explaining it:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/12/214957/09

SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party's nominees' decisions when it came to Iraq.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. So, was Barack suggesting that Kerry's position was the same as Bush also? That's quite odd.

[wyldwolf]

38. no, he was using the same excuse he did for his "present" votes - to give "cover" to others.

:eyes:

[madfloridian]

4. I just did searches at 3 sites, and I found nothing.

Could you give a link?

[Clintonista2]

19. Sure

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432/page/2/

[jeff30997]

5. Hillary Clinton sucks.Period.

She's no better than the neocklowns.

[sufrommich]

32. What an incredibly intelligent and reasoned retort. LOL

[jeff30997]

40. Ahhh! What cleaver proof of your ignorance!

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Nothing On Google

Methinks Mr. Lirwin2 has gone Clinton on us.

"Clinton's an unusually good liar. Unusually good. Do you realize that?" - Sen. Bob Kerrey

[Clintonista2]

13. Aww, manny is back for some more bruising

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/11/obama-speak.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432/page/2/

The reason nothing comes up in google for this is because I cut out the words "of a" ("Not much of a difference...) in order to fit the whole quote in the OP. Plenty of google goodies on this.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Eh, We'll Call It A Draw

'cos it ain't what he said, Terry.

[Clintonista2]

16. Aww manny, too bad Obama later commented on the quote that he "didn't say"

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/12/214957/09
(Also in the transcript of the MSNBC link I provided in the post above)

SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party's nominees' decisions when it came to Iraq.


This is the part where you stop replying Manny, after making a complete fool of yourself. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. Gobama!

[Lucinda]

21. LOL

[LakeSamish706]

9. Your polls are so good... Just can't wait until the next one... "NOT" n/t

[Occam Bandage]

10. Okay, for people who are having difficulty locating it:

Seriously, try google.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+not+much+difference+my+position+bush+Iraq&btnG=Search

[madfloridian]

18. The OP had the words wrong, and wasn't that in 2004?

Or did I misread it?

[Clintonista2]

20. I had the words wrong? I took out two words in order to make it fit, it didn't change anything

In order to make it fit I took out the words "of a," so instead of his quote being: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage," it was "There's not much difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage." Does that really make a difference?

Also, the IWR vote was in 2003. Obama said this in 2004. If Obama's been "against it from the start," then it shouldn't matter how old the quote is.

[madfloridian]

26. It does on a search.

I have not kept up with the attacks on our candidates, I don't have a pick, and I think the attacks here are vicious.

[LakeSamish706]

27. Gee... I just took out two words... What difference could that make? n/t

[Clintonista2]

29. That's what I'm asking. Does it make a difference?

I'll be happy to edit the title of my OP if you think that the words "of a" in the phrase "not much of a difference" completely change the meaning.

[Skip Intro]

11. Here's a link.

Russert asked Obama about this quote and Obama answered, without taking exception to the quote.

Here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432


on edit, please see post #10

[LakeSamish706]

14. I sure wish I could vote this poll up beyond one vote... "Not" n/t

[Clintonista2]

17. Yay! "Poll"!

Not "pole"!

[jeff30997]

22. If you're voting for Hillarious because she's a woman then wrong choice.

If you're voting for Hillarious because she's a woman then wrong choice.

You should vote for the best candidate whatever the gender...

[Clintonista2]

23. Your assumption is about as ignorant and ill-informed as my assumption

that you dislike Hillary because she is a woman.

[seriousstan]

24. I did.......but I was pass out, fall down drunk.

I forget what day it was or where it was but I managed to keep my teeth. Cough Randi cough

[Cameron27]

28. !

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

25. K&R

:thumbsup:

[robinlynne]

30. maybe someone else said it, but Hillary acts on it.

[emilyg]

31. Kick

[texas_indy]

33. how about we show the actual response for that quote by Obama??

from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432/page/2/

(about 1/2 way down)

Russert asks about a series of quotes and then Obama states:
"Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq."

The quote, “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of ‘04." is answered by:

"What I was very clear about, even in 2002 in my original opposition, was once we were in, we were going to have to make some decisions to see how we could stabilize the situation and act responsibly. And that’s what I did through 2004, five and six, try to see can we create a workable government in Iraq? Can we make sure that we are minimizing the humanitarian costs in Iraq? Can we make sure that our troops are safe in Iraq? And that’s what I have done. "

Looks like he did what everyone else, who was against the war, was dong at that stage. And that was acknowledging the fact that since we were now in the mess, we need to resolve it intelligently.

It does not state that he was for the war!

IMO, of course.

[Occam Bandage]

34. So his explanation is, "I couldn't really say what I believed, because it would be unpopular,

and I wanted to go along with what the party wanted."

Is that much better?

[texas_indy]

35. What are you talking about??

He stated his opposition against the war since 2002.

He only stated that maybe he shouldn't of done it during the primary since the party was for it. BUT, instead he stated he was against it and did not toe the party line as you claim he did.

Show me where in the article it claims he did not do that.


The quote in question which started this thread is from 2004 when EVERYONE wanted to resolve the issue intelligently. We were stuck in the snake pit in Iraq due to our fearless leader in the White House. I don't care who voted to support him in his madness. it would have never happened if his gang had not decided to do it in the first place and "arrange" evidence to back them up.

[Occam Bandage]

36. Where he says,

""Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq."

That's "I had to say my position on Iraq was like George Bush's (the quote in question), because I didn't want to hurt our nominees by speaking my mind."

[texas_indy]

37. you can't show he was FOR the IRAQ war because he never said it

The 1st quote which Obama is refering to is (see below or read the actual link):
"In July of ‘04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war."

You are UNABLE to show me where he stated he was for the war!
He has always stated he was against it, even when his own parties' nominees had both VOTED for it!

The exact opposite of what you say outright with your "quote" paragraph, and what this thread implies.


Lets see what was really said, shall we??

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MR. RUSSERT: You were not in the Senate in October of 2002. You did give a speech opposing the war. But Senator Clinton’s campaign will say since you’ve been a senator there’s been no difference in your record. And other critics will say that you’ve not been a leader against the war, and they point to this: In July of ‘04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of ‘04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it.

SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq.

Look, I was opposed to this war in 2002, 2003, four, five, six and seven. What I was very clear about, even in 2002 in my original opposition, was once we were in, we were going to have to make some decisions to see how we could stabilize the situation and act responsibly. And that’s what I did through 2004, five and six, try to see can we create a workable government in Iraq?
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[Dawgs]

39. Give it up dude. The Hillary supporters are desperate to deflect from her voteS for war.

They know Obama was, and always has been, right on the Iraq war.

[Occam Bandage]

42. Your mistake is in thinking I am a Hillary supporter.

I'll probably vote for Obama in the primary if he and HRC are close, simply to avoid a Hillary candidacy. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to excuse his actions.

[Occam Bandage]

41. I never said he was for the Iraq war before it started. Nobody did.

We're talking about 2004.