There seems to be some....confusion over Biden's remarks about Mexico..

[1corona4u]

So, I wanted to clear it up. These comments are from a recent South Carolina meeting where Joe spoke about Mexico;

"Mexico is a country that is an erstwhile democracy where they have the greatest disparity of wealth. It is one of the wealthiest countries in the hemisphere and because of a corrupt system that exists in Mexico, there is the 1 percent of the population at the top, a very small middle class and the rest is abject poverty."

"Unless the political dynamics change in Mexico and U.S. employers who hire illegal immigrants are punished, illegal immigration won't stop. "All the rest is window dressing,"

"An even bigger problem are illegal drugs "coming up through corrupt Mexico, People are driving across that border with tons, tons — hear me — tons of everything from byproducts for methamphetamine, to cocaine, to heroine."

[1corona4u]

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[1corona4u]

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[skipos]

3. I really agree with this...

"Unless the political dynamics change in Mexico and U.S. employers who hire illegal immigrants are punished, illegal immigration won't stop. "All the rest is window dressing."

Go after the companies that hire them.

[1corona4u]

5. It's so true...

and, I don't even know how these employers get away with it. I was a district manager for a large company for 10 years, and I can tell you, we were very cautious about documentation, and identification requirements BEFORE we could even extend an offer of employment. Undocumented workers would never be able to provide these documents, so these companies hiring them have to know they are illegal. Have to.

[1corona4u]

10. Kick

[CrispyQ]

16. Someone more versed in HR than I am can correct me if I'm wrong, but

When we hire a W-2 employee, an I-9 is required. That is the document that requires one form of identification if you have a passport or two forms of ID, like a state drivers license & social security card if you don't have a passport. Legal aliens would have the appropriate documentation to present two forms of ID.

However, for our 1099 employees (contractors), we are not required to ask for any ID at all! All they have to do is fill out the IRS 1099 form with a social security number so we can report their earnings at year's end. WTF? I suspect this is how so many employers are getting away with hiring undocumented workers. The other advantage to the corporations, is that most 1099 workers do not qualify for benefits, vacation, sick time etc.

This loophole needs to be fixed! Every employee you hire, W-2 or 1099, should have to fill out an I-9.

[1corona4u]

18. Exactly...the I9...

that is the Justice dept. document I was specifically thinking about when I said that. Only 2 reasons could be plausible for that form to go unchecked; 1. they falsified it; 2. the DOJ doesn't even look at them.

Here's a story about how some private companies do it. Mostly, day labor. I had a new roof put on my house right before the hurricanes a few years ago. The cost of the roof was $7600.00, and I paid half up front, to the owner of said business. He was a white guy, was recommended to me, and the day they dropped the tiles in my front yard, a HUGE truck pulls up, the owner was no where to be seen, and there were nothing but illegals unloading the truck. How do I know they were illegals? Because I had a connection to Home Depot, at that time, and I had seen many of them, who hung out in the parking lot of the HD closest to my house.

The customers of that HD got really pissed off because the parking lot was being used for a place for illegals to find day work. There was such an uproar about it, that the sheriff's had to be there during the daytime hours, to stop it. Anyway, I digress....

When they began to work on my roof, the owner was never here, and none of them spoke english, so when there were problems, I had to TRY to communicate to them, and they were really nice ad tried to understand, but we just could not communicate. I would then have to get on the phone, call the owner, and tell him what was wrong, and then he would have to tell them what to fix. PITA.

BUT, you know he paid them a fraction of what he made on this roof, in cash, and that was really the point of me mentioning it. They were really hard workers, and they were on that roof from 7:30 in the morning, to dark. It was in the end of May, in the HOT Florida sun, so I tried to get them snacks and drinks all day long. They did a great job in the end, and I probably saw the owner here 2 times, in the 4 days it took them to do it.
These are businesses they need to crack down on too.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. The poverty level in Mexico is something like $2/day, and they still have a vast impoverished class

There is no doubt that some redistribution of wealth in Mexico would relieve some immigration pressure.

I don't expect any candidate to suggest this, but we might actually prevent more border crossing for the same money just by giving impoverished Mexicans $10 a week, instead of spending billions on these asinine fences.

[1corona4u]

6. That's true as well...

perhaps all of the aid we are giving them, should go to the people, the citizens, not the government.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. I recently calculated that Bill Gates could eliminate poverty in Mexico for Years just

by writing a check. It's just not even that much money.

Wherever you see this kind of glaring cross-border economic disparity anywhere else in the world, it's a trouble spot. (It is VERY rare to have a night/day difference at a border, but one instance that leaps to mind is Gaza. Another, though less so, is the Haiti/Dominican Republic border, which is one of the most violated borders on Earth.)

Mexico seems to be about as 50-50 as America... they may get a leftist president someday who will do a little leveling.

[polichick]

8. "An even bigger problem are illegal drugs coming up"

Since pc folks think we should call illegal aliens "undocumented immigrants" I guess we should call these drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists."

Biden's right ~ nothing will change until we punish employers. We need to eliminate ALL incentives, and also connect aid to Mexico with government behavior. (In fact, we need to do that with aid to Israel and everyone else too.)

[1corona4u]

9. Good point. We should.

[noamnety]

15. Perhaps we could just call them

military recruiters.

[CrispyQ]

17. '...I guess we should call these drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists."'

:rofl:

I'm currently looking for an unlicensed pharmacist! The stuff from my licensed one just isn't as good!

[1corona4u]

21. LOL...

who buys drugs in the US? I don't...

[IronLionZion]

11. There's no confusion. They do this on purpose.

Oh well, I appreciate you providing the actual context. It gives us an opportunity to get positive publicity.

Do you have a link for this quote?

[1corona4u]

13. I do.....

but, you can also go to CSPAN, type in Biden, and watch the Waverly Town Hall meeting...he says the same thing in that video, which by the way, is fantastic.

EDIT; Here is the story on MSNBC;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15932967/


Here's another interesting comment from that article;



"I warn all of you, all of you making more than a million bucks - I hope you all are - I'm taking away your tax cut," Biden said. "I'm not joking."

The extra revenue would generate $75 billion a year and pay for a backlog in national security and local law enforcement programs, Biden said.

Biden's appeal for bipartisanship captured Bruce Rippeteau, a former Rotary president who says he's in the Genghis Khan wing of the Republican Party.

He "was saying some important things in a nonpolitical way," Rippeteau said.

"I want to compliment him about what he didn't say," Wilson said. "He never one time mentioned weapons of mass destruction."

Biden will lead the Foreign Relations panel because Republicans around the nation lost seats in the Nov. 7 elections. That tide didn't reach Republican-dominated South Carolina, where the GOP maintained its four U.S. House seats and Democrats kept their two.

[Mythsaje]

12. I've said the same a number of times.

Eliminate or at least alleviate the root cause, not the symptom.

We could do a lot to improve the standard of living in Mexico and punish employers who hire illegals and virtually eliminate the problem in one fell swoop.

[napi21]

14. I listened to that speech. Joe also said one of the first things he would

do as President is to call President Calderon and tell him that it is HIS responsibility to creat jobs for HIS citizens so they could stay in their home country where they would prefer to be rather than risk their lives crossing the border just to earn enough money to provide for their families!

I think Biden is the ONLY person I've heard that had a real solution to the illegal immigration problem. I'm sure most people would prefer to live in their own country, and pressuring Calderon to make life liveable for his own people makes a lot more sense than the idiots crying for a fence, or anything else.

[jillan]

19. I read in Forbes over the weekend that Mexicohas more millionaires that most.

I never realized that there was this much wealth in Mexico.

They have a huge tourist industry and OIL.

[1corona4u]

20. Gooo Jooooeee!