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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:33 AM Original message |
Would Kucinich / Paul 08 as independents sink the Democrats? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. No, such a ticket would only hurt Republicans |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. I dunno. Lots of fans of both of them here at DU... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. "On average" was an important part of my statement. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
2. Ron Paul fans sure hate the shit out of Dennis Kucinich |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I suspect the reverse is true |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
83. Yea.. "informed".... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. yes, I would vote that ticket in a skinny minute.... |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Vote for what you believe. Weigh it up then vote. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I couldn't disagree with you more. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. cali, in a community where people advocate "holding your nose..." |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. it all depends on the lens you view things through. |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
77. Isn't that redundant? |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. What's the one issue? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I don't think it's muddy at all. |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. It would be painful alright, but the issue's still not clear-cut for me |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. this is all angels dancing on pins |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I agree, but |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
88. you mean the same Congress who has repeatedly stopped Bush in his tracks? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
40. It wouldn't mean any of those things, get a grip (n/t) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Deleted message |
harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
80. You call this substantive? |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Self-delete |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I myself do not advocate voting for third parties. n/t |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Of course you don't |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Can you list the "overwhelming majority of issues" Ron Paul is right on? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. here.... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Wants to overturn Roe v. Wade |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. see #47 regarding Roe... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. I can't tell if you're disagreeing with me or not regarding Roe v. Wade |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Your definition of "overwhelming majority" |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I said "overwhelming majority of issues *important to me*...." |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
78. If the next President is a Republican |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
102. I'm pretty sure poverty and classism predated the FED |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Paul is anti-choice, anti-civil rights, would eliminate |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. Please elaborate on how Paul is anti-civil rights |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
103. you have to be kidding, right? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
39. this is just my opinion, but PLEASE don't be fooled by his war stance |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. frankly, I think it does.... |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
84. I agree that imperialism (often under the guise of anti-Communism) |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. Would your answer be different with a Paul / Kucinich ticket? nt. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. yes, it absolutely would.... |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
67. Three things |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. ok, here goes |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Back atcha |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. back to #1 |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
109. Shooting your best political interests in the foot? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. No, it would increase fringe loon turnout. |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
10. Kucinich, himself, said yesterday on Mark Germaine's joke of a show that the Ron Paul thing was not |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. First I've heard of it. |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It's worth going 3rd party to me. But I couldn't vote for Ron Paul. And you're lucky |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
17. Fuck third party candidates. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. lol |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Fuck John C. Fremont! n/t |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
68. Yeah! |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
20. Hell Yes! |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
21. That's hard to say |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Their supporters I think would come to blows |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Precisely |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. The Federal Government is evil? |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. I don't believe that was what I was saying just then, but |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
107. as a Constitutionalist |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
106. yeah, I'm not sure how successful they'd be |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
27. a kucinich/paul ticket would just sink. Period. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
33. I think it would hurt a Democratic ticket headed by Hillary Clinton |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
70. "enough Democrats who'd prefer Dennis" |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. It doesn't have to be a majority of Democrats, just enough. In a |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. If Hillary get the nomination, we ought to encourage a Paul/Kucinich 3rd Party ticket because many |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. that makes no sense at all. n/t |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. It may not make sense in California, but it makes sense in Texas and elsewhere. There is a crowd who |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I think you're vastly overestimating the number of dems |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Not in Texas, I'm not. I'm pretty sure this holds true for much of the South and Mountain West, too. |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. What a horrorshow! If it comes down to Mitt Romney v. Hillary Clinton v. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. how pathetic. n/t |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. What's wrong with you? If you disagree with everything I say in every thread I post in, why do you |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. She's just upset because a house fell on her sister. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That is uncalled for. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. thanks for the kind words. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. It was meant as a joke. No offense intended. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. none taken. I thought it was funny. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Look, I'm sorry you're under the illusion that I'm stalking you. I'm |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Apparently. |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. But who would Woody vote for? |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Ingrid Bergman? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. If Hillary gets the nod then there is guaranteed to be a strong |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. Agreed. /eom |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. I myself do not advocate voting for third parties. n/t |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. You already posted this same thing up the thread-- dupe. |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
38. No one would vote for that ticket. The Paul nutters would never support DK |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I think you might be right and that is why I don't think they will |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
101. Here in Texas, Kinky Fucking Friedman got 547,674 votes running for governor under the banner "Why |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
48. The only way such a ticket would work |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. Kucinich v. Paul.... |
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Spirit of 34 (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. That would be great! |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
60. This was a serious question. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
79. It was a silly question |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Nader had corporatism. |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Hillary might as well be a "single issue campaign" |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
85. I'm a Kucinich supporter, and would never vote for a ticket w/ a republican |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
86. I think the right Independent ticket could sink both parties... |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. So who did you have in mind? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. That would've been a wonderful ticket... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
90. In the words of Miss Scarlet, I can't think about that today. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
98. Kucinich's made it official with the Ron Paul comment: He'll NEVER be our nominee!! |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. The genie is out of the bottle. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
100. No. It's a dumb ticket. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
105. Time to lock. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
108. It would be a boon for political humorists |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
110. Lock this tread. |
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