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jackbourassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:06 AM Original message |
Zogby: Mark Penn (Hillary's DLC pollster) is 'buckling under the pressure' |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Zogby handled this with a lot of class unlike Mark Penn who denigrated them because it wasn't what |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Zogby poll was of Zogby members. Gallup had the opposite findings. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Like Gallup has any credibility |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Zogby contradicts all other polling. Gallup shows same results as all non-Zogby polls. |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Not true |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
58. If I am correct, Gallup's guy is a right wing who lives three feet up |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. This interactive poll is a fraud. WHY? Because in my |
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jackbourassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh Ben, get over yourself... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Riiiiiiight. It's Hillary who's conspiring. I keep forgetting. |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. "But sometimes a poll is just a poll." |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. "Clinton trails top 2008 Republicans"/"Hillary beats all Republicans" |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. We all know that multiple email addresses will gain you 'multiple votes' |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Have you ever taken a Zogby poll? I'm betting not. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Yeah, in fact the one he's citing is sitting untaken in my email account right now |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I am signed up with Zogby with multiple emails and I haven't gotten anything from Zogby for awhile. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Check your junk mail folder |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I always do. |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. So only 5 of 53 saw this alleged e mail? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. They rotate the list. Nobody gets every poll every time. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Gallup is no prize |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Gallup is a right-wing polling firm. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. And Zogby Was Rush Limbaugh's Favorite Pollster! |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. In all fairness, I think it is appropriate to see Zogby's methodology.... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. How do you know you have 53 friends? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
6. Why is Mark Penn dissing Zogby when he asks for more Zogby polling data than any other campaign? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 02:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Penn doesn't like any poll he can't personally rig |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. that's like saying why do "progressives"* dis Hillary when they spend most of their time on her |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. "the DLC's website is one of the most quoted websites on netroots land" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. uh huh. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. More than DailyKos? More than TPM? More than Huffington Report? More than Media Matters? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. probably not, but I didn't say it was THE most quoted... but if you want proof... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. 600 times in about 20,000,000 posts? Search DailyKos, New York Times, TPM, Huffington, FreeRepublic |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. why? Even if Dailykos, for example, is referenced more, it only proves... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. So, there's no threshold at which your claim is an exaggeration? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. not so sure about a "threshold." Surely you understand... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Does it mean that DLC is one of the 10,000 most ref'd sites? One of the 100,000 most ref'd sites? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. ok, let's look at it another way |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. The Zogby poll had Huckabee beating HRC. You really believe that? |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
18. Morning Joe reported today that not only was Zogby poll valid, touted Gallup poll yesterday was old! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. So Now Joe Scarborough (R) Pensacola Is An Unbiased Source |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. It's quite obvious how hard Joe works to promote Hillary's candidacy. Penn wrong about Zogby polls. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. And I Guess Mika Mika Brzezinksi Whose Dad And Brother Are Working For Obama Are In HRC's Camp Too! |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
19. "Media Lavishes Attention On Bogus Internet Poll Showing Hillary Losing To Repubs" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Interesting |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
27. Unfortunately for John Zogby (R-Fake Pollster), many people have debunked his polling |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Zogby is a Democrat I believe |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. so? That doesn't erase his suspect polling techniques |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Suspected by whom? By those who don't like the results! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. numerous people. Here are some references you missed yesterday |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Of course. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
29. Rush Limbaugh- "Zogby's My Favorite Pollster" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. He's A Clintonphobe For Sure |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You Notice Like The Clintonphobes I Don't Use Right Wing Sources |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Limbaugh could like the sun rising....doesn't mean the sun rising is conservative |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Fact is, Zogby is respected pollster. |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The why is it that Penn consults Zogby? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Zogby Said Penn Consults Him...Maybe He Does Or Maybe He Doesn't |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
57. Feh...Polls |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. Zogby Interactive's record speaks for itself (it sucked in 2004 and 2006) |
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jackbourassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
60. Thanks for all your comments...keep em coming |
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