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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:57 AM
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Biden: Rivals' war plans lack long-term solutions...Great article
Biden: Rivals' war plans lack long-term solutions
By JASON CLAYWORTH • register staff writer • November 24, 2007

Waukee, Ia. -- Plans by top-tier Democratic presidential candidates to end the war are flawed and likely would create more violence, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden told a crowd at a house party here Friday night.

"You may not agree with my plan, but nobody else in either political party has any notion of how to end the war - Hillary, John, all my friends," Biden said.

"They all will give you a tactical thing they would do," but "ask them a two-worded question: 'Then what?' "


Biden spoke Friday night about national security, but not in the vacuum of Iraq.

The issue of security spans across political and social realms that include issues such as the stabilizing the economy, reforming health care and improving education, he said.

Many of those issues can be dealt with and paid for by ending the war in Iraq, Biden said.

That, he said, is where his Democratic peers falter. Their plans to end the war, unlike his, do not adequately address how to deal with Iraq after American troops return home.

Biden's five-point plan essentially gives feuding groups in Iraq power to govern themselves while leaving the central government in charge of common interests such as border security and distribution of oil revenues.

Biden, who has worked as a U.S. senator for 35 years, continues to garner only single-digit support from likely Iowa Democratic caucusgoers, most polls show.

He said he is counting on his solid plans to win caucusgoers' support and predicted that voters will unite in his favor.

"They are just waiting for someone, I believe, who can appeal to our better angels," he said.

The top three Democratic presidential candidates in many polls - Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards - have all said their plans will not ignore Iraq after American troops return home.

Clinton, for example, has said she would direct aid to the hands of the Iraqi people to help stabilize the country and would support the appointment of a United Nations representative to broker peace.

Friday was the sixth day of an 11-day Iowa campaign tour for Biden.

Roughly 175 people crammed into the living room, dining room, kitchen and hallway on the first floor of Randy and Lori Mordini's home.

Lori Mordini urged the people in her home to look beyond the media hype of some candidates and to look into substantive plans such as Biden's.

"We, here in Iowa, have a supreme privilege, and the media likes to not pay attention to certain people.

"As Iowans, we decide. Not the media. Not the pundits," she said.

Reporter Jason Clayworth can be reached at (515) 699-7058 or jclayworth@dmreg.com

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4americans wrote:
without a doubt biden is the smartest of the democrats ...he won my respect in the debate while i felt hillary,obama, and edwards looked like idiots. although i can't favor reform(the latino/hispanic) supremist favoritism vote : the democrat vote
11/24/2007 7:23 AM CST on Des Moines Register
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Blegilbert wrote:
So all three "top" Democrats have plans for Iraq after they pull troops out, but after briefly outlining Joe Biden's plan (an article specifically about him), the only other person mentioned (for example) is Hillary, who of all the candidates has no real plan or deadline for pulling the troops out. Poor example.
A brief note on the rest of the world's progress in dealing with Iraq; Australia just voted in a Labor Party Leader after years of the same old government. A leader whose first act is to sign the environment world treaty (Kyoto) and get the combat troops out of Iraq now. See, it can be done. Old ineffective government out, new progressive thinking government in.
11/24/2007 7:23 AM CST on Des Moines Register
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:05 AM
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1. Richardson's plan on what to do after he gets us out in 2009:
From www.2013IsTooLate.com

Lead a Regional and Global Diplomacy: The hard political work begins as our troops start to leave.


We must use the leverage of our withdrawal to bring the factions to the negotiating table.


The United States must lead this effort and involve all of Iraq's neighbors, including Syria and Iran, in a regional conference modeled on the Dayton conference which ended the war in Bosnia. Key objectives of the conference should be assurances of non-interference and the creation of a multilateral, UN-led Muslim peacekeeping force.


We must also convene a donor conference of wealthy Arab states to fund Iraqi reconstruction. All of Iraq's neighbors have an interest in preventing Iraq's civil war from spiraling even further out of control, and they should all play a part in stopping the violence.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:09 AM
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2. I liked the final line of the article
"As Iowans, we decide. Not the media. Not the pundits,"
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:35 AM
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3. Exactly...
loved that comment;

"We, here in Iowa, have a supreme privilege, and the media likes to not pay attention to certain people.

"As Iowans, we decide. Not the media. Not the pundits," she said."


Great article thanks for posting monmouth!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:43 AM
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4. It's what I've been trying to tell DUers for the last couple of months
but so many are too busy panting "MSM says" "national polls say" blah blah blah. January 3rd will be an interesting night.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:50 AM
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5. I look forward to it more than Christmas, honestly I do.....Can't wait..
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:05 AM
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7. I'm kind of looking forward to January 4th
:yoiks:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:20 PM
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9. Me too...n/t
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:51 AM
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6. I know....
I don't even pay any attention to the polls....funny how I see it over, and over on this board, all the postings that put their candidate in the lead, the other person drops, etc. None of it matters.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:06 AM
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8. Who are the pollsters polling and what are the questions being asked?
The whole second choice question has been mangled so much that even I'm wondering what to do come realignment...:crazy:
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kad7777 Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:58 PM
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10. JOE BIDEN the right choice for AMERICA
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:25 PM
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11. "As Iowans, we decide. Not the media. Not the pundits," she said.
:toast:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:13 PM
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12. I told my husband the other nite that we are moving to Iowa :)
Who cares about weather, jobs, etc!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:36 PM
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13. LOL...
I use to live in Des Moines...and I wish I was back there right now...
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:45 PM
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14. kick
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 05:41 PM
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15. Being a Biden supporter, I've learned that "foreign policy" runs much deeper
and broader than just a sound bite. I never thought of the repercussions brought about from seemingly isolated actions, how doing A will result not only in B, but C,D,E.....

Regardless of the presidential election outcome, I will continue to look to Biden for explanations and an understanding of the reality of the world situation.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 06:32 PM
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16. I agree...
and I will always look to him for the truth in matters, because that's what he will give out.
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