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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:53 PM
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Experience - this is what it boils down to with Clinton
It is objectionable for Hillary to try to conflate Bill's experience with hers.

What she did as first lady may be "experience" as long as it was she who actually had the experience.

Don't say "we" balanced the budget, or "we" created new jobs, because that was Bill, who was responsible for signing/vetoing bills and overseeing the executive branch. Hillary had no such responsiblity. She could not veto a bill, nor did any of the cabinet departments answer to her.

If that is true that "we" did all those things then Hillary was a de facto president for 8 years and should be barred by the 22nd amendment from running again.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:56 PM
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1. Experience = Biden
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:01 PM
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4. And Dodd and Richardson, too, if we're talking about
Washington experience.

Lots more than Sen. Clinton has, even including her time in the White House.

Not a slam, just an observation.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:26 PM
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13. I don't think either one of them are claiming White House experience n/t
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 08:24 PM
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38. No, but they have a lot of government experience as well as dealing with
foreign policy issues.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:57 PM
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2. True to form, Hillary wants it both ways. see diamond & pearls. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:59 PM
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3. I think that's spot on.
She can claim the work she actually did as an advisor, and work on such issues as healthcare and child welfare, but claiming executive experience is not accurate.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:01 PM
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5. I do find it offensive when she makes statements like that.
We don't live in a monarcy.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:20 PM
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9. u find everything offensive. did u mean monarchy?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:43 PM
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20. "Offensive"? Drama much?
:rofl:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:45 AM
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26. It's offensive to the constitution of the Unites States.
We elect one President, not two.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:04 PM
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6. here we go again
I responded to you with facts in an earlier thread which you've obviously -- and conveniently -- chosen to ignore. So, in the interest of never giving up on the innate intelligence of people, I'll offer them again:

Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:52 PM
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21. I'm responding just to draw more attention to your post
as a counterpoint to the stupid premise of the OP.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:19 PM
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25. Thank you for posting. (again) They don't want facts, Those who do,
already know Hillary Clinton does have 35 years experience that has helped prepare her for office.

Thanks again.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:56 AM
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29. Like the experience she spoke of back in 2002, right?
Remember when she was spewing the Saddam propaganda like Bush was back in 2002? She even used that experience shit back then in the same speech and the sheeple ate it up then like they do now. Experience doesn't mean that someone will make the right decisions or that they represent the people, like they are supposed to. What was her agenda back then when she ignored the facts, sounded like Bush and gave Bush a loaded weapon and ammo whenever he wanted more to kill thousands? I don't want someone with that kind of agenda looking out for my children. America please wake up before you put the nail in our coffin, I believe Clinton would be the nail herself or by getting beat by a republican.

Here she is following her buddy Bush's lead in 2002!


And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:07 PM
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7. Ok then...
So anything you deem objectionable that came out of the Clinton administration you won't lay at her feet than I take it...

Can't have it both ways...

btw: I think this is beyond crap...just want to see how consistent you will be in your position...
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:09 PM
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8. I don't know if the OP
is interested in facts. I offered them earlier and -- surprise, surprise? -- they were ignored. :shrug:

before you know it, we'll be dealing with drive-by slams. :evilgrin:
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:23 PM
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didn't I just say her personal accomplishments were valid
perhaps you have problems with reading comprehension.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:28 PM
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15. no problems with reading comprehension
but how can you ignore her accomplishments which obviously helped the people in Arkansas and the United States? By the standards you hold to Hillary, I don't think either Obama or Edwards would have any accomplishments to crow about either.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:33 PM
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17. I don't ignore her accomplishments
I don't think she should be allowed to hold Bill's accomplishments as her own. She has said things like "we've" balanced the budget, etc. She was not the co-president of the US.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:23 PM
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10. nope
and you may correct me if I do, and I apologize in advance right now.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:29 AM
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28. Wouldn't that depend on whether she supports a continuation of such policies or not?
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:23 PM
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11. She was the "de facto" co-president
"Two for one". He told you before he got elected. Which is why she was raked over the coals like any politician as First Lady. Now, she wants the credit, she got plenty of the heat. I think she has earned it.

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:21 AM
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40. According to David Mariness, Al Gore was the co-president
Mariness wrote that Clinton, in an effort to get Gore to join the ticket in 1992, secretly offered him a co-presidency. That deal included total control over 8 spheres of interest. Additionally, it was often whispered in DC during the impeachment debacle that Gore was running the office because Clinton was too depressed to do so. Read the Prince of Tennessee for documentation (there is no technical link to supply).

Hillary advised Bill as do all First Ladies, but the fact remains the office she now holds as Senator from New York is the first elective office she has held. I think she makes a very weak argument when she claims she has much experience over Obama, who held elective office in the State of Illinois for many years. One should at least equate his state elective office experience with that of her First Lady terms, and coupled with Gore's documented role in the Clinton years, I think Hillary made a huge mistake in playing the "experience" card in this campaign because close examination will see that claim merely as an attempt to inflate her resume.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:24 PM
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12. It is objectionable for you to deny Hillary's experience.
She may not have had the responsibility of the President but you can be sure she shared her thoughts with her husband on the important issues involving the country. She and Bill have always been a team. Of course he had final say. She saw what was done right and what was wrong which puts her way out in front of the others as far as experience. If you don't like her that's fine, don't vote for her. There's no need to make such unreasonable remarks, Obama and Edwards are doing a good job of that.
Yes, I do like Hillary but will probably vote Richardson, who has also had a lot of experience.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:27 PM
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14. Biden has more experience than Hillary, Obama and Edwards COMBINED
Hillary has the same elected experience as Obama, which actually isn't a heck of a lot considering they are running for president. Edwards has one term in the Senate.

Yet somehow out of this mix, it is hillary with the experience?

HUH?!

My question is who has LEARNED the most from their experience?

Hillary's experience did not stop her from getting duped into voting for the IWR. Or Kyl-Lieberman.

When will they ever learn.....
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:30 PM
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16. see my Post #6
she has much more experience dealing with policy and making it actually benefit the people it should benefit than many give her credit for.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:56 PM
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22. Not denying that hillary has experience. So does Obama. And so do the rest.
However, if we choose the one candidate based on experience alone, it is not Hillary. Biden was elected to the senate in 1972. Bill Clinton was still going to school in 1972. Bill and Hillary were not even married yet. Hillary is not in the same league, even with her husband's experience, with Biden. Worlds apart.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:40 PM
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18. Good point.
If her claim to experience is being the triangulatrix, then that very 'experience' should disqualify her.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:43 PM
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19. This is an overly rigid definition of experience
Hillary has not had the specific responsibility of executive office, but if that were the measure than the race would be down to Richardson and Kucinich. (And Giuliani would be qualified to be President)

The hard part of signing a bill isn't the physical act of signing it. It's the decision whether to sign it, and that decision is made in consultation. It is rare to have a wife as a first-line consultant on everything, but the Clintons are odd people.

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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:57 AM
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32. but if he messed up signing the bill
she wouldn't be blamed for it. He has ultimate responsiblity. Hell I could send Bush letters giving him advice as to what bills to sign, but that doesn't give me executive experience.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:05 PM
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23. before you mandate these steadfast beliefs, shouldn't you at least
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:28 PM
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24. Spot on...I have never understood this "experience" crap....
she certainly doesnt have it.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:53 AM
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27. How else is she going to fool people into voting for her?
Didn't you know that nepotism is a legitimate resumé builder in Hillaryworld?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:39 AM
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30. The only thing I remember about her
experience in the White House was her health care program that tured out to be a miserable failure.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:43 AM
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31. I think there's a little resume-padding going on. n/t
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:31 PM
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33. I concour compleatly
Bidens experience out weighs hillarys twice. so if we were to take her first lady experience as true experience. then the rethugs will have a field day, burdening her with all their dirt (and lies) on Bill. I tell ya They lay in wait. mark my words.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:54 PM
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34. She did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
Her boasts of experience remind me of the Holiday Inn commercials. Do we now equate experience with simply witnessing events vs. actually accomplishing anything?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:02 PM
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35. Another thread based on a false premise--debunked by several responses. Here's more experience:
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:54 PM
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36. Wow, I need to copy that post.
Great information in there, though I doubt many of those who are so vocal against HRC here will bother to read it.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:32 PM
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37. Thank you for posting. nm
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:24 PM
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39. Excellent point, and post. Thanks.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:31 AM
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41. darboy, I feel the same. I just feel this has implications on the 22nd amendment.
If she was an unelected president with Bill, this could be a problem with the amendment.
If she is going to use what Bill did as president for herself, she also needs to take the bad with the good and answer for those things like the pardons, NAFTA, ect.
Mostly, she needs to release those papers so she can either prove whatever experience and if not, she should not be able to use it to begin with.
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