Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Trouble with Thankfulness

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:14 PM
Original message
The Trouble with Thankfulness
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 03:14 PM by davidswanson
Like most Americans, I'm appreciative of all the wonderful people and experiences in my life, and I like the idea of taking a day off from lamenting all the painful, tragic, and humiliating experiences in my life and the many more in the lives of so many people around the world impacted by my government (even if we are now losing an innocent life in Iraq alone at the rate of one every 10 minutes, or 144 in the day I take off to "be thankful").

And in fact, I never thank my wife, my son, my parents, my friends, my employer, my allies, my heroes enough. A day set aside to phone and write and visit those people to thank them would be a holiday above all other holidays. But that is not what Thanksgiving is. At best, that is what Thanksgiving might someday become.

For theists, Thanksgiving is an opportunity to thank "god." For muddleheaded atheists Thanksgiving is an opportunity to thank... (blank) (there's no conclusion to the sentence). And for clear thinking atheists, it's a holiday that does not fit. One cannot be thankful to nothing. If you're going to be thankful, not for what your loved ones do, but that they exist, you must be thankful to "god" or to some nameless mush standing in for "god."

Well, what - after all - is so wrong with that? What's wrong with nice warm humble feelings, even if they make no grammatical sense? I think there are two major things wrong with it, one fairly obvious, the other a little less so.

The obvious problem is the panglossian blinders required. Rather than appreciating my loved ones, I am supposed to feel a sense of "thankfulness" for them that is inevitably directed at the same divine fate that gives the world such overwhelming misery, pain, and death. In short, "god" has so much to answer for, that before I would consider summoning an ounce of gratitude for the beautiful trees and squirrels outside my window, I want to know what good can come of the precarious situation that is providing this summer weather in November, I want to know why a neighbor was recently murdered, I want to know why so much of the world has to live in such horrendous poverty for the benefit of a gluttonous minority, and I want to know what war is for. Thanking anyone or anything who runs this spectacle strikes me as presenting an award to a mass murderer because he polishes his knife so beautifully.

The less obvious trouble with thankfulness can be seen when we move beyond blaming "god" for the world's misery. After all, if you don't "believe in god" you can't blame "god" any more than you can praise him/her/it. And if you cannot blame "god" then the truly painful thought arrives: we must blame ourselves. In fact, we and nobody else bear the responsibility for what goes well and poorly in the world. We get no credit for the squirrels. They simply evolved. But we get credit for maintaining a world they can live in, or blame for destroying it. We acquired this responsibility when we gained the power to destroy the world. That doesn't mean a key to preserving the world doesn't lie in refraining from trying to control it.

Children who die from preventable diseases, workers who die from unsafe working conditions, and families who die in wars all die with their blood on our hands and nobody else's. We, humanity, and we, Americans in particular, are the ultimate cause of tremendous suffering. Far from thanking some primitive fantasy for the state of things, we should be standing, speaking, and acting to change things. Instinctive acceptance of the status quo as at least partially "right" is the most dangerous result of vestigial theism, and the last thing we have time for is a holiday that promotes it.

This Thanksgiving, go out of your way to thank somebody who is working for radical democratic change in the world. And, this holiday season, thank your loved ones for who they are. Don't thank anybody else for them. But put your generosity where it belongs: in actions aimed at benefitting those in the world who have it worst.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. My mom's attitude was "Thank the cook" if you're looking around for
someone to show gratitude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
4.  i can support
that!

but save the turkeys! :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:19 PM
Response to Original message
2. Thanks, David.
:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
3. Nice post.
This gets at why I don't like that "In God we trust, not ourselves" bumperstickers. Abdicating your own responsibility and contributions to a situation, well... I'm not a fan. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
5. You saved the best for last:
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 05:01 PM by LWolf
"This Thanksgiving, go out of your way to thank somebody who is working for radical democratic change in the world. And, this holiday season, thank your loved ones for who they are. Don't thank anybody else for them. But put your generosity where it belongs: in actions aimed at benefiting those in the world who have it worst."

I am happy to do just that.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:33 PM
Response to Original message
6. Thank you, David Swanson, for working for radical democratic change in the world! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:37 PM
Response to Original message
7. I guess...
I think that any thankfulness -to whomever, for whatever- is always good for you because it requires introspection and a sense of wonder about belonging to a larger group of people who helped you to become the person you are today.

The semantics are unimportant to me. Whether I am thankful to God that these people were created or thankful to Evolution that they randomly came into being, I am still appreciating them.

Appreciating others and being thankful they are here is what's really important about Thanksgiving.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:16 PM
Response to Original message
8. I enjoy hanging out with my family
I could really give a crap what the government or you for that matter think.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:29 PM
Response to Original message
9. the local weather tells me
it has been 70 degrees three times on Thanksgiving in the last 100 years. One time was in 1926 (I did not catch the other two).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
10. Thanks to the good people here, I am learning how.
I have not been thankful for a long long time. But it's happening now. I think I've learned. Thank you. I am grateful for your support.

What a fantastic post. This is why I love the forum. It is a place where the multiple facets that comprise our race can come together and shine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 12:19 AM
Response to Original message
11. Well, if I'm supposed to thank someone who is working for change,
then - Thank you, David. What you do is very important and I very much appreciate the work that you do. I can personally attest to the fact that when you held the town hall meeting in Chicago last spring, several people were convinced to come over to our side.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 06:23 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC