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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:30 AM
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After doing some canvassing in Iowa on Saturday, it doesn't look good for Hillary Clinton
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:37 AM by zulchzulu
I did some canvassing this past Saturday in a couple towns in western Iowa with about 70 other people who were volunteering their time to go out in the cold, overcast day. There were some flurries in the air a couple times during the day. People are getting ready for the Winds of Thor.

As we all gathered at the Obama headquarters and went through some basics on canvassing, we went about our appointed routes in the Dubuque neighborhoods.

As you get to these locations teamed by with fellow Iowans, you are off alone to walk these neighborhoods in the cold wind and up and down the hills. You can see the pride in these working class communities with seasonal decorations adorning modest homes. Occasionally, you see American flags in support of a son or daughter who are serving overseas. Many are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan from the Iowa National Guard 1-133rd. Some of the notes on the canvassing route sheets point you out to the homes of those who made a point of letting the Obama campaign know.

There were five of us in my group, all representing a wide cultural and generational mix. When we all figured we'd meet back in a couple hours, little did we know how much people wanted to talk to us. It turned out that everyone was out walking the streets for about three hours in the 30 degree windy day.

One thing you notice when you venture off on your own when you canvass is that while you assume that you may be interrupting people by knocking on their doors, they are usually appreciative to see someone out there in the cold dedicated enough to spend time for a cause. For me, I got to talk to 30 people out of a possible 64 homes listed on my route. Many of the homes that I canvassed seemed to have entry sidewalks that were perfectly designed to making it to the front door a long process, hence giving the residents ample warning to see who was approaching.

The funniest/semi-disturbing visit was when I knocked on the door of a home where there was a noted Obama supporter. I wanted to make sure that he was going to caucus for Obama. He answered the door and we talked for a minute or two. I got him to sign a card saying he wants to caucus when, all of a sudden, his wife showed up and glared at me noticing my Obama hat. She started yelling at me that she is "for Hillary" and I have to leave. I laughed and looked at the guy. He winked and said he'd talk to the campaign later. As I left and walked down the sidewalk, I could hear her yelling at him. I just had to laugh.

There was a woman who answered the door and said I could come in. She had a Hillary Clinton yard sign on her lawn, although it looked like a kid had run over it with a bike. She offered me pancakes and wanted to know more about Obama. I told her I already ate (I was starving, but...) when suddenly a pit bull dog came out of the basement and started nibbling on my shoe. She said the dog was friendly, but I had another idea.... leave her some information and get the hell out of there. I asked about the Hillary yard sign and she said she was about to throw it out. "Some kid in the neighborhood had put some of those things on people's lawns", she said.

I had heard about how mostly senior citizens were given Hillary Clinton yard signs by some kids in the neighborhood. How could they say no. It turns out that the yard signs were rarely for solid Clinton supporters as was evident with other campaign canvassers who would ask about them.

There were a number of homes where Edwards canvassers had left off what looked like a small book for people to look at. I didn't disturb the literature, but it looked pretty pricey. I think it was focused towards people who had caucused in earlier elections. It was cool to see others out there.

One thing that became very evident in talking with the people I and others in my group talked to was that Hillary Clinton was not considered a second choice by nearly any of the people who supported Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Kucinich, Biden or Dodd. How that is critical is if certain candidates don't have the 15% viability threshold in the caucus first round, they have to go to their second choice. That could be a complete disaster for the Clinton caucus folks.

We'll see how the next 48 days go.





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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:34 AM
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1. You can smell the desperation of her attack squad on this board.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:36 AM
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4. knock me over with a feather
an Obama supporter claiming things look bad for Hillary in Iowa? And Iowa Hillary supporters yell at their husbands to boot?! No! Never! Who woulda thunk it?! :eyes:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:53 PM
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74. My advice to Hillary supporters in Iowa
First, drop the "invincibility " thing, it doesn't play well. Second, don't fall into the trap of counting people by their commitment based on your canvassers interpretation of the conversation. People in Iowa are unfailingly polite and will often be very nice to you as a stranger in their towns. This does not imply support, but often people from the urban east think it does.

I know that state pretty well for a gringo and I can tell you that you will need every bit of your organizational ability there. The "establishment" candidate has a leg up in the process, as the caucuses are run and organized by the "establishment" Democrats.

Right now it's a tossup, so turnout is key.

We have Zulchzulu in the field , who do YOU have?
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:02 PM
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79. The new poll out tonight kinda confirms it, doesn't it?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:47 AM
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14. I think they are infected
with MRSA!!!!!Which is essentially untreatable.
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:35 AM
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81. Reality is that we are seeing the same thing in Reno
I have yet to know more than 2 people, personally, who are going to caucus for her. Where are her supporters? Is the media owned by her to create smoke and mirrors but on the ground, it is not the same reality?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:30 AM
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87. Going door to door bashing Clinton proves what, exactly?
I certainly hope you weren't using DU topics, like her underwear, her tipping, her hair, her cleavage, her cats, etc to make your "points".
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:34 AM
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2. Regardless of what the media has been saying...
I don't think it ever did look good for Hillary in Iowa.

I had the good fortune to travel to and through Iowa a dozen times this year and I saw more Obama and Edwards bumper stickers than anything.

People I know in Iowa as well have not reflected what the media has been saying all along.

Hillary Clinton is a product of the Corporate Media.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:33 PM
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77. An old college chum from Iowa called last night...
... He said he liked Richardson, but I took a while to persuade him to vote for Edwards. I'd earlier said to my other friends there to vote for him too.

I recall last election when hanging around Iowa message boards that Edwards had a LOT of support then and bucked the trend that said before hand he was more distantly out of the running, when he finished rather strongly there, even if Kerry won. I think Iowans will still like his more down to earth style than the others and will remember him fondly from last time.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:36 AM
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3. That's interesting zz,
it's always good to hear from the ground forces. It's a tight race, no doubt about it, I don't think Clinton's a sure win by any stretch.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:38 AM
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6. In all actuality
I almost expect Hillary to place 2nd or 3rd in Iowa and then win New Hampshire. Much as Bill did -- I believe -- in 1991 (or 1992). Gives the media a chance to push the Second Comeback Kid storyline they're itching for.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:39 AM
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8. self-delete
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:48 AM by seasonedblue
dupe
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:39 AM
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9. I think that's what her camp has been saying all along.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:52 AM by seasonedblue
Edwards was supposed to win Iowa, or so it's been said.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:58 AM
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84. Push a comeback story in 4-5 days?
I'don't think "comeback" works when the story in the short days( 4-5) rather than 2 weeks will still be she lost!( If she loses)

It cracks here invincible meme, her inevitable meme. It gets all those who had really supported someone else but considered it pointless and useless to get back behind their candidate
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:38 AM
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5. how many people liked kucinich?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #5
16. I ran into 5 people...
...who like Dennis a lot. Heck, I like Dennis a lot too.

Those five people said they would caucus for Dennis, but in almost all cases said they would have Obama as their second choice.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:38 AM
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7. Kudos to you
For being "boots on the ground", doing this very important work. It sounds like you are not only dedicated, but fair and respectful of people's right to have a differing opinion or preference. This is true politics, true campaigning. It is a breath of fresh air from what we see on TV, and what we generally hear here on the boards. Thank you :-)
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:41 AM
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11. Hear Hear!
i'm not an Obama supporter, but thank you for getting out and doing the groundwork. job very well done!

:applause:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #7
20. Welcome to DU!
Make sure your shoes are ready for lots of mud...

:hi:


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:13 PM
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24. Hey, I live in TN, wear waders :-) nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
45. Hi -- Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
69. Welcome to DU K Gardner
:toast:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:40 AM
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10. Those signs were, it seems, planted. n/t
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:43 AM
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12. My choice of candidate(s) differ from yours, but I enjoyed reading about your experience.
You have my admiration. :hi:
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:46 AM
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13. Her organization in MN is a disaster. Complete shambles. EOM
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #13
53. I haven't seen ONE Clinton bumpersticker or yard sign in the Twin Cities,
although I have seen advocates for Obama, Edwards, and Kucinich driving around on the highways and streets.

Also, I have met exactly ONE real-live Clinton supporter here.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #53
76. Minnesotans are sensible. EOM
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:47 AM
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15. I don't doubt that, but I'm hoping for a Biden win there!
Look at the last 3 debates. Biden has realloy shown himself to be the outstanding qualified candidate!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:51 AM
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17. People forget that Iowans, as most Dems, prefer to wait and see who dominates the debates
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:52 AM by blm
while it's almost always the Republicans who go with the nominee that has been predetermined for them.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. I saw at least a dozen Biden window signs on my route
He's got a good presence there. I'm not sure about an office though...didn't see one.


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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:19 PM
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25. Yep, Hoe has an office in Iowa.

Biden for President
Iowa HQ
8033 University Blvd, Ste C
Clive, IA 50325

ph: 515-440-2008
fax: 515-225-7005
iowainfo@joebiden.com
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:56 PM
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41. I read somewhere that Biden's office wasn't where most of the others are
located (downtown??) -- rent was more than he could afford. I think he's at some strip mall off the beaten track or something.

Happy to hear there was some support for him!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:55 AM
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:59 AM
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22. Will you stop it with the juvenile "Hillary hater" garbage...
It's like some pimple-faced teenager response. People who don't support Hillary Clinton "hate" her for the most part...they just think we can do a lot better.

If you support Clinton, prove it by taking it to the street.

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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. bitwit, you have the honor of being the very first person i put on ignore..as soon as i figure out
out how to do that..your posts are always the same..
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #29
86. Click the icon on the same line of Bitwit's name and star on the right with the X.
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 07:12 AM by ellisonz
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:56 AM
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21. I sincerely hope that you are doing more good for Democrats than harm.
Just in case Hillary is the nominee, I hope that you are not leaving these folks in Iowa with the impression that it would be better to vote for a Republican than Hillary.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. What would you prefer?
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:37 PM by zulchzulu
I hear the claptrap from the Clinton campaign that ANY discussion of the issues is "just helping the Republicans later"...and frankly, it is a pathetic anti-democratic ruse in my view.

Grow a skin, Hillary fans.


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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:18 PM
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61. As you know, I'm not a Hillary fan. And I'm not talking about discussing the issues.
Your posts make it sound like anyone supporting Hillary Clinton is a raving lunatic. I hope that you aren't leaving that impression with the folks you canvass.

Eventually, the Democratic Party will have a nominee. Let's not leave all the prospective candidates utterly wounded.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:59 AM
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23. An Iowa poll of likely caucus goers has it 26-26-26
Can't get any closer than that. Anything might happen, including an opening for one of the others.

Thanks for the report.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Of course it's a report fom a Obama supporter.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. Yeah, so?
What's wrong with that?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. So, so what? I just made a observation.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
35. I wonder about the "likely caucus goers" analysis
Yes, it is indeed a horse race. If you caught what I wrote about, the critical issue is who the second tier and /or candidate supporters whose viability is less than 15% at a caucus will chose as their second choice. If you understand how a caucus works, you'll see that a second choice is nearly as important as a first choice.

Some of the polls mention people who have never caucused before. Are they "likely" to?

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:06 PM
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51. Okay, it was "certain" not "likely to" - 26-26-26
Also discussed is second choices, but it seems not to anyone's particular benefit at the moment.

There are many challenges to polling a caucus, primarily around the question of who will actually participate. Those challenges are magnified this year by the timing of the caucus on January 3 forcing candidates and their teams to explore tactful methods of contacting voters during the holiday season. When only voters who are “certain” they will participate in the caucus are included in the totals, the race is a dead-heat: 26% for Clinton, 26% for Edwards, and 26% for Obama (see discussion of methodology).

Half of the Likely Caucus Participants say they could change their mind between now and January 3. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Clinton’s supporters say they are “certain” they will vote for her. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Edwards voters say the same while 45% of Obama’s supporters are that certain.

Among those voters who say they might change their mind, there is no clear benefit to any of the top three candidates. Obama supporters who might change their mind are fairly evenly divided on their second choice between Edwards and Clinton. Edwards supporters who might change their mind are similarly divided between Obama and Clinton. And the same pattern holds true for Clinton supporters who might change their mind—they are primarily split between Edwards and Obama. Given the high numbers of voters who say they could change their mind, the race in Iowa remains very fluid.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/iowa/democratic_iowa_caucus

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #23
70. It will be interesting to see if support for Gore also enters in as to who gets picked ...
to be the delegates to the second round. If there are enough that say that they would have Gore as the second choice to who they are voting for there, perhaps they'll unite to try and make sure they get someone else that would put Gore high on the list were he to enter the race.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:27 PM
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26. Here in New Hampshire, you simply don't see very many Hillary signs.
I don't know what it means, but yard signs in general are few
and far between, and Hillary signs are some of the rarest of
the bunch.

Some persons did put up a bunch of illegal Obama, Tancredo,
and Huckabee signs* over the last few days, though.

Tesha


* Illegally placed on public ways, Federal property, city
property, etc.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:29 PM
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28. were you sitting in a car with saracat when you did this?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Ethel went out for burgers.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Is that all ya got?
Resistance is futile. Hillary will lose in Iowa.

:rofl:


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. is your OP all YOU have? We can always count on you for anecdotes and Hannity points
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. I guess any scrutiny of Hillary Clinton is a "Hannity point" in your view
Pathetic...


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. no, just repeating Hannity points is a Hannity point. And at least your anecdotes weren't from...
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:48 PM by wyldwolf
...the farmer's market this week.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. So if a diehard Democrat has an opinion that might be the same as Hannity...
...it's a "Hannity talking point".

Oh, um.... OK.

:crazy:


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. no, if he repeats a debunked talking point that is still spewed from Hannity
...of course, a diehard Democrat would KNOW it was already debunked.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. you should stop embarrassing yourself . Anecdotal evidence
proves NOTHING. It's like me saying Obama is in trouble in CT because my neighbors across the street don't like him and neither does the lady who works at the library. yeah, that's proof.:crazy:
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #34
49. New here!
Hi,

I'm a recovering Republican who is planning on voting for Hillary. My Mother and Husband are also recovering Republicans who support Hillary too, they have gone so far as to sign up to be on her team here in Arizona. Many members of my Mothers former Republican club are also leaning heavily towards Hillary.

Who woulda thunk?



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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. Welcome to DU!
Congratulations on your recoveries! :pals:
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #49
64. Welcome to DU.
Hillary is counting on people like you.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #28
60. LOL!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:58 PM
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43. Thanks for a wonderful report! I know you presented Obama well - an asset
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:59 PM by gateley
to his team! :headbang:

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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:59 PM
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44. Dubuque is in EASTERN Iowa. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. You are correct...
Right on the Mississippi... too late to edit my op.


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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:06 PM
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52. Just an observation...
If the report were coming from anyone other than you I might doubt the "truthiness" after such an error, but I trust that it was a simple mistake for you!

I'm glad you are here in Iowa, and thanks for the report!

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LatinManNH Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:04 PM
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50. oopsie! eom
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:01 PM
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46. One small point
Although you traveled west from Madison, Dubuque is actually in northeastern Iowa.

Good for you for getting out on such a crappy day. :hi:
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:01 PM
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48. I know 15 politically active people in Iowa. Only 2 support Hillary, 0 say Hillary their 2nd choice
First choices:

6 Edwards
4 Obama
2 Hillary
1 Kucinich
1 Biden
1 "chronically" undecided (has ruled out Kucinich, Gravel, and Hillary)

Second choices:

5 Obama
5 Edwards
2 Biden
3 undecided/won't consider 2nd choice until caucus night

Here's how the 1st choices line up with 2nd choices:

6 1st choice Edwards
--3 2nd choice Obama
--1 2nd choice Biden
--2 2nd choice undecided/won't consider

4 1st choice Obama
--3 2nd choice Edwards
--1 2nd choice Biden

2 1st choice Hillary
--2 2nd choice Obama

1 1st choice Kucinich
--1 2nd choice Edwards

1 1st choice Biden
--1 2nd choice Edwards

1 undecided
--1 2nd choice undecided
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:08 PM
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54. So a sample of 15 out of...
Hmmm.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:14 PM
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57. Hey, Baby, how's the baby?
:hi:
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:18 PM
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62. Huge!
Well, a little over 11 pounds anyway, but since she started off under 5 pounds she sure seems big! I couldn't be more happy, more grateful, or more exhausted. Ha ha.

Still sad that her first campaign onesie wasn't a Clark '08 one!
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:25 PM
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63. If I knew more politically active people in Iowa, I'd offer you a larger sample. Have you spoken
with your friends and learned who their first and second choices are? I'd be curious to know.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:14 PM
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56. thanks for the report from
on the ground, and thanks for the work you're doing!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:15 PM
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58. We don't know you.
You could be lying.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:17 PM
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66. What does that mean?
Who's "we"?

:shrug:


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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:22 PM
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67. We as in DUers.
And it means that since we don't know you, you're probably lying. You are an Obama supporter, after all.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:38 PM
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72. Ah, yes...
That Ignore button is such a cool feature...assuming that people who assume others are lying usually are the biggest liars...

Good luck.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:46 AM
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88. Is Russ Feingold endorsing Obama anytime soon?
Oct 18th wasn't it?

Zulu = balloon

cat_girl25 = pin

:rofl:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:15 PM
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59. Despite what the habitual hecklers on the Hillary side say
the experience of Iowa campaign workers is legitimate information.

There was a lot of talk in 2004 about how Gephardt would win in Iowa because of being from a neighboring state and having strong union support. After canvassing (for Kucinich) in Iowa, I KNEW that Gephardt didn't have a chance. I also knew that Dean wasn't going to win, nor was Kucinich. I knew that Edwards would place higher than expected. In fact, I expected him to win. I was astonished that Kerry won, because I had seen no indications of support for him, although perhaps he was selected by all the tight-lipped people who simply said, "We're supporting another candidate."

So as a canvasser in Iowa (from neighboring Minnesota), I correctly guessed that Gephardt and Dean would do worse than the TV talking heads predicted, that Kucinich would do as badly as predicted, and that Edwards would do better than predicted. Kerry was the only surprise.

That's why I respect zulchzulu's opinion here.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:50 PM
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65. I thought BHO didn't have to
bring in workers from out of state? His supporters on this board made a big deal out of that. What gives??? Aren't you from Wisconsin?????????????:shrug: :rofl:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:24 PM
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68. It will be interesting to see how the uncommitted delegates vote in later rounds...
As you note, if she's not even a second choice for most voters, that means she will lose a LOT in the horse trading that's involved with who gets picked as the uncomitted delegates in the opening rounds. I still remember the horse trading we did when I was at a caucus trying to lobby for Jerry Brown at a precinct in 1976 when he ran...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:42 PM
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73. Exactly...
Thanks for mentioning Jerry Brown as well. He gave it a try.

When I lived in SF, it was possible to see Jerry jogging near Chrissy Field where you get a great view of the Golden Gate Bridge. He would stop and talk to people about politics and such...a great, great guy.


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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:32 PM
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71. Hillary Clinton was not considered a second choice by nearly any of the people, that's deep...!
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:54 PM
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75. It's plenty deep in Iowa.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:48 PM
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78. Kicking b/c of new Iowa poll showing him at 30% with Clinton sinking
It was just a matter of time before what I've seen in Iowa made it to the recent polls. I would guess Edwards will start shooting into second in a week or two.

Expect the Clinton team to pull the plug in Iowa by mid-December.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:50 AM
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89. Oh thats right. You have inside information. You're in the know.
:boring:
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:31 AM
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80. Hillary is my last choice
And I will be at my local Iowa caucus.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:43 AM
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82. zulchzulu, you are getting it done.
Trends aside, a big tip of the hat to you and the other people you were canvassing with, and to all the people back at all the candidates' HQs stuffing envelopes and answering phones and running out for coffee and pizza.

Bravo.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:48 AM
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83. Wake me up when she's sworn in.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:59 AM
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85. Thank you lots for your firsthand report, and for getting out there. nt
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