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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:10 PM
Original message
Novak: "Clinton would not reveal it because she is such a good person."
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 09:45 PM by ClarkUSA
'Reached on Saturday, Novak would not reveal the source of the item but said the information did not come directly
from the Clinton camp. "(It) was said to Democratic sources ... by people inside the Clinton campaign," he said. "It
was not specified what it was, and it was said to a Democratic source. Clinton would not reveal it because she is such
a good person."'

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/18/MNUTTEMT6.DTL

There you have it... Bob Novak and Hillaryworlders share something very special between them that none of us will
ever fully understand... a deep and abiding belief that Clinton "is such a good person" she refuses to reveal the
ugly story in Obama's past but was "good" enough to shop it around via her surrogates to news reporters like him.
Clinton accepts money from Murdoch, feeds stories to Drudge; why not plant a rumor with Novak? After all...

"Politics is a blood sport." ~ Bill Clinton

Hillary will do anything with anybody if it helped her be the Democratic nominee. And longtime Hillaryworld dirty tricks
master Chris Lehane and Blackwater PR rep/exit poll fixer-coup enabler/union buster PR rep/Clinton campaign manager
Mark Penn know damn well that Novak is an inveterate gossipmonger par excellence who will spread maliciious stories
in the blink of an eye without question (see Valerie Plame). What they didn't know is Obama would give them a public
SMACKDOWN. It took them THREE tries at a press statement for them to give a blanket denial. The first two were
non-denial denials that swiftboated "inexperienced" Obama as "echoing Republican talking points again," something
we're hearing parroted by Hillaryworld replicants here as they try to spin this story like a top.

F*ck them for trying to swiftboat a good Democrat!! Kudos to Obama for calling her out on it immediately. Let's see...
TWO separate ungracious, nasty non-denial swiftboating denials followed by ONE ungracious, nasty swiftboating denial
from the Clinton campaign. My, my, my... methinks they doth protest too much.

"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging
and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve." ~ Barack Obama

Now. Attack if you will. Frankly, I don't give a damn.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:12 PM
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1. Obama did precisely what he should do.
He slapped down the slime regardless of which side of the aisle the innuendo emanated from, deftly and quickly.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. No Obama slapped Clinton for something that Bob Novak wrote.
Give me a break.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. Obama had every right to call bullshit on this cheese, and did.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:28 PM by AtomicKitten
Obama Response to Novak Report
http://thepage.time.com/obama-response-to-novak-report/

Below is a statement from Barack Obama:

“During our debate in Las Vegas on Thursday, we heard Senator Clinton rail against the politics of ‘throwing mud.’

“At the very same time, in Washington, Robert Novak was publishing a column in which he reported the following: ‘Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party’s presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama…’

“The item did not identify these ‘agents,’ nor did it reveal the nature of the charge. It was devoid of facts, but heavy on innuendo and insinuation of the sort to which we’ve become all too accustomed in our politics these past two decades. If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve.

“But in the interest of our party, and her own reputation, Senator Clinton should either make public any and all information referred to in the item, or concede the truth: that there is none.

“She of all people, having complained so often about ‘the politics of personal destruction,’ should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics.

“I am prepared to stand up to that kind of politics, whether it’s deployed by candidates in our party, in the other party or by any third party.

“The cause of change in this country will not be deterred or sidetracked by the old ‘Swift boat’ politics. The cause of moving America forward demands that we defeat it.”
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:28 PM
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37. I don't have blind devotion to anybody. I just think it's pretty sad that rather than going after
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:28 PM by MidwestTransplant
Novak, he goes after Clinton just as hard. FYI I am pretty undecided at this point.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. What's sad is that this crap has happened before -
when during the 2004 Dem primary a whisper campaign about an extramarital affair was started against John Kerry by political operative Chris Lehane who had been nixed from the Kerry campaign, joined the Clark campaign, and was actively shopping the story, with ultimately Drudge biting.

I recall at that time people insisting it was GOP cheese when, in fact, it was homegrown intraparty cheese. That's what is truly sad about the state of politics today. And denial isn't helping.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #37
67. Hillary doth protest too much . . .
We are all noticing it and saying it. Hillary acts like the school tattle tale and teacher's pet who can't stand it when someone points out that she is in the wrong. Hillary is obnoxious. If she thinks she is being picked on now, she had better just get out of the campaign because the Republicans will pick on her for real.

Is Hillary saying that the Novak lied?
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:13 AM
Response to Reply #37
72. He had to go after Clinton actually
If he had attacked Novak nothing would really have happened and the information would have continued to spread. By asking Hillary she had to respond she didn't have any such information thus defusing the situation promptly, with him responding to her statement saying that he would take her at her word.

The best solution would have been for Clinton to have acted first to be honest, stating that she had no such information and she will not accept such smears against herself or other Democrats

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #37
82. And why would he go after Novak?
Novak put it out there - and the only one who can say that Novak is spewing lies would be Hillary or those supporters of hers. She should be shaking up her campaign staff to find out who said what, and firing their asses. Unless, of course, she supports what they are saying to Novak.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. BINGO--if obama feel he needed to attach it should have been Novak-the one who
wrote the piece
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. That's your opinion.
Your biased partisan opinion.

Obama responded deftly, quickly, and appropriately. He isn't going to tolerate this crap regardless of which side of the aisle it emanates from.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. Neither you nor Obama have any evidence that HRC did anything wrong.
Or, pretend you're right and she did something wrong -- what was it exactly? Hearing something bad about Obama and NOT using it to smear him? Geez. How terrible.

This was Novak's story, and he has ZERO credibility.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Obama made his own false accusation, by latching onto Novak's story.
He allowed Novak to use him for Rethug purposes. Great move.

:sarcasm:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
43. I disagree. He should have slapped Novak down and left Hillary alone.
He has no evidence beyond the word of a known Rethug liar that there was anything behind this rumor at all.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
53. Damn straight Obama did exactly the right thing.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:50 PM by ClarkUSA
"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging
and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve." ~ Barack Obama

Truth to power = Obama SMACKDOWN ----> Hillaryworld sulking
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #53
85. damn straight ... STEEL plus RESOLVE ... oh, billary, thy name now goes with no shame & no decency
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. Amen!
And Iowans know it, too. That's why Obama is leading her by more than 2-to-1 (31% -15%) with the question
"Which candidate is the most honest and truthful?"


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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:15 PM
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2. Chickenshit bullshit!
Novak is a piece of shit. When Novak calls Clinton a good person, it's not because he really thinks she's a good person. It's because he knows a kind word from him is like a kiss of death.

Obama fucked up big time and he's the big loser here. Clinton and Edwards are the winners, and so are we. That's because they're both real Democrats. One is a corporate Democrat, the other isn't, but they both recognize the need for partisanship. Obama doesn't.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:15 PM
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3. Fed stories to Drudge?
And you know this how?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. You haven't heard? He's another one of her stenographers now
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
15. Drudge knows one of Hillary's campaign workers
and she got Drudge to run some routine campaign announcements. Its no more a "plant" or sinister than putting out a press release.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:21 PM
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4. Couple weeks ago a Hillary supporter said that she would
"do whatever it takes" in a thread here.

I have recently said the same thing. Only difference is, when I say it, it's not a boast.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
55. I saw that post, too. Hillaryworld mudslingers always take a page out of the Republican handbook
when they're not memorizing Machiavelli's "The Prince."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:22 PM
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5. Robert "Plame" Novak is playing you all like a fiddle. nt
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. yep
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. Agreed...would've been great if the Hillary camp stamped out the story as soon as it hit the wires.
I wonder why they didn't...
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. If I was her campaign manager, I would have advised her
to deny it immediately. If I was Obama's campaign manager, I would have advised him stay away from Clinton, and to take out Novak.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:24 PM
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6. Beware when vampires
who keep "puppy blood in their mini-fridge" call you a "good person".

They are so freaking transparent with their play-book orders.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:25 PM
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7. Why are we giving that traitorous assclown a voice here?
:shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Why's Hillary friends with Rupert Murdoch who's friends with Novak?
:shrug: I believe Novak is helping Hillary out.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. I don't like the idea of letting a traitor have a voice here
simply to advance another candidate.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Novak must be friendly with Hillary...just like Murdoch.
I don't like it, either. :shrug:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Er....not the point I was trying to make.
:rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. I know!
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 09:49 PM by jenmito
:rofl:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Well, that was fun.
Adios!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Wow...
what a low thresh hold of being able to take disagreement you have. Just like Hillary. :hi:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #27
81. Any proof you have
(and using a known liar like Novak is not proof) that Hillary has this information and has refused to use it would be appreciated. Or do you think Novak is a great and honest man with the Democratic party's best interest at heart?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #81
84. Nope. I just said Hillary has RW friends (not to mention lots of connections)
I do NOT think Novak is a great man. But I don't think his buddy, Rupert Murdoch is a great man, either. But Hillary has no problem buddying up to him.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
48. In the political world, everyone's acquainted with everyone else.
Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch are even said to be good friends.

So and so is friends with so and so who's friends with so and so -- that kind of reasoning belongs to conspiracy theorists. I'm not buying.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #48
86. There's a difference between being acquainted and being friends with...
buy it or don't. It's there and it's the truth that she has RW friends and many connections.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:28 PM
Response to Original message
10. Played like a fiddle.
It's simply amazing that people keep falling for his shit.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
29. Sad that Obama did.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Sad that *anyone* does.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:30 PM
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11. "Now. Attack if you will. Frankly, I don't give a damn." Nah, I'd rather K&R!
Thanks for the article! :hi:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
56. Anytime.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:37 PM by ClarkUSA
Thanks. You have had some fine ones yourself. :hi:






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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #56
87. Thanks, ClarkUSA...
(and I wish Wes Clark would've run for president this time, as I'm guessing you do, too, judging by your nic). :hi:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. You betcha.
:toast:
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
12. "Such a good person?" He won't be saying that after the primaries are over
...whoever wins the nomination.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:39 PM
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16. Novak called Hillary a "good person?"
He must be really desperate for a way to lie out of this. I suppose Novak is a better source for the truth than Dick Morris, who Edwards fans had on here last night.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:40 PM
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18. Crucifying People By Innuendo And Hearsay
There's not a shred of evidence that the rumors came from the Clinton camp...It's those vile accusations that provided the framework for Stalin to kill 20,000,000 Russians, Mao to kill 50,000,000 Chinese, Hitler to kill 12,000,000 Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and dissidents, and Pol Pot to kill 5,000,000 Cambodians

"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. Taking the analogy a bit too far there, my friend.
Just sayin'...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. That's What They Did In Stalinist Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot

They did it in Maoist China:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolution


They did it in the Killing Fields of Cambodia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields

Make up a bunch of bullshit charges about your opponents, spice em up with some innuendo and hearsay,get the people thinking they are enemies, and kill em...

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. In a way, I can appreciate your outrage.
Of course, consistency matters. Many of our candidates have been smeared with the sort of bullshit charges and trumped-up innuendo you speak of. Particular instances come to mind but perhaps it's not best to "go there" at the moment.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. The Bashing Threads Are Bad Enough
But when a person starts bashing candidates using conjecture, supposition, double or triple hearsay, innuendo and guilt by association they need to take a good , hard look in the mirror...



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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Um...sure.
Though i'm not convinced this is one of those instances.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #18
57. Not a shred of evidence? How about what Novak said?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
20. And Clinton Never Said "Politics Is A Blood Sport" Even Though We Know It Is
More fucking libel...

If he said it google the quote
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:57 PM
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26. Damn it, I don't have access to "the truth" like you guys do.

How is that? :shrug:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:20 PM
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33. Again, Bullshit. You assume she shopped some dirt on Obama around. With only rw nut Novak's word
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:22 PM by Skip Intro
that happened.]

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen yet.


Rookie Obama gets played by professional smear artist Novak, and somehow it's all Hillary's fault.

In what world???


It's not Hillary's fault Edwards looked like a lost puppy in the last debate. It's not Hillary's fault Obama couldn't give a straight answer to a question he'd attacked Hillary for not answering clearly. It's not Hillary's fault Obama made a fool of himself during and after being punked by Novak.


This manic spinning to avoid reality really is a little startling. When do the magic elves make an appearance?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
35. Clinton has been very busy lately. Do they see something in Penn's polls?
It seems Hillary and her campaign have been acting strange and reacting, over reacting and lashing out ever since Philly.
A sense of something is wrong. It just is not like the way they have run the campaign all year.
It's almost like a sense of hyperdrive lashing out.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. She's Not The Only Busy Beaver
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:50 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
“…And at a campaign event in Iowa, one of Obama’s aides plopped down next to me and spoke even more bluntly. He wanted to know when reporters would begin to look into Bill Clinton’s postpresidential sex life,” Ambinder writes.

Regarding the unidentified aide wondering about Bill Clinton, LaBolt said, "In no way, shape, or form would anyone who would say such a thing be representing our campaign."

Ambinder, told of the Obama campaign comment said, “I stand by my reporting and the article speaks for itself.”

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/641088,sweet110708A.article
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. There are no swiftboating whisper campaigns from Obama about Clinton
Ambinder's piece only reinforces that truth. Thanks for the article.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. Ha
They pushed the Hsu story and they are trying to find out who Bill Clinton is fucking if he's fucking anybody...

And here we have a direct source, not triple hearsay...

If Obama wants to know who Clinton is fucking why doesn't he ask him?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:18 PM
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52. The Hsuth hurts: Hillaryworld was forced to return the cash Hsu collected from Chinese dishwashers.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:39 PM by ClarkUSA
So what? Whoever forced the MSM to cover it deserves kudos, don't you think? Hsu is in jail now
and I feel much better. Clinton wouldn't want money from a convicted Ponzi schemer, would she?

Or would she?

I don't know about Obama, but I'd like to know who Bill Clinton is fucking these days. Because if he is, then
Democrats deserve to know before Iowa because we don't need to go through another Bimbogate debacle.
If he isn't, then there's no story, is there? What are Hillaryworlders like you afraid of, anyway?

Put up or shut up.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. "Put Up Or Shut Up"
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:33 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
You're becoming unhinged...

Don't forget to take the little green pills... There in your medicine cabinet next to the little pink ones...


And for the record, no ,I don't have a morbid curiosity with the sex life of others...If you do I recommend you find the nearest cylindrical object available...




on edit- PWNED
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. I'm glad the Clinton campaign took Obama's advice and shut up - after 3 press statements, no less.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:01 AM by ClarkUSA
Because Obama isn't going to put up with being swiftboated by "Clinton surrogates".

Ever.

Mark Penn better go back to the Republican handbook for more ideas and inspiration.


"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging
and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve." ~ Barack Obama





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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. If
If innuendo, triple hearsay, supposition, and conjecture were gun powder you would have the ammunition to blow us all to kingdom come...

I will now extricate myself from being a character in your paranoid fantasies... Please think of it as a contribution, albeit a small one, to your fragile mental state...

Sweet dreams...

DSB
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. Keep spinning like a top, Hillaryworlder acolyte.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:19 AM by ClarkUSA
Checkmate. Your Queen is dead.

"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging
and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve." ~ Barack Obama

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. You're Really Not Good At This
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:26 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
You think you're clever but I feel as I have had a tete a tete with the Only Child Left Behind...

I suggest you quit while you're behind... I'm sure you're used to it...


HeeHawHeee
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #63
65. I thought you went to sleep.
Maybe you're too dizzy from spinning all day and night? lol
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. I'm Becoming Fond Of You
DSB
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #35
49. No longer above the fray, are they? More like getting frayed at the edges these days...
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:07 PM by ClarkUSA
Political pundits have wondered the same thing as you are. I think you're both right.

Bless those Iowans. The nosediving poll numbers have Hillaryworld running scared.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #35
64. Update: Hillaryworld is very very worried that they'll lose Iowa to Obama and Edwards
DES MOINES, Nov. 17 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has nearly doubled the size of her staff in Iowa and has
substantially increased her advertising here as her campaign reinforces its effort to prevent Democrats from coalescing around
a single alternative to her candidacy...The Clinton campaign has been flying in operatives from across the country to bolster
the Iowa effort.

Complicating the matter even more, the campaigns of Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico and Senators Joseph R. Biden Jr. of
Delaware and Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut also have the potential to sway the race. If candidates do not reach a 15
percent threshold in each of the 1,784 precinct caucuses on Jan. 3, their supporters make a second choice, a procedure that
Mrs. Clinton’s aides fear could favor Mr. Edwards or Mr. Obama.

<snip>

More than 60 percent of those who have identified themselves as Clinton supporters, senior strategists say, have never
participated in the Iowa caucuses. It is a far higher share than the campaign had been anticipating, which suggests that
many of the reliable rank-and-file Democrats have chosen another candidate... By this week, the Clinton campaign had
completed opening 34 offices across the state, arriving in many cities more than two months behind the local operatives
for Mr. Obama or Mr. Edwards. Last week, the Clinton campaign’s national headquarters sent a top communications
operative to Iowa and hired eight deputies charged solely with drumming up media coverage in smaller cities across
the state... At the same time, Mr. Clinton is playing an increasingly larger role in Iowa.

<snip>

With new anxieties about Iowa and a sense of heightened importance in the vote’s outcome, the Clinton campaign sent
several senior strategists here, including Karen Hicks, who is known as one of the party’s top get-out-the-vote specialists.
To compete with the strong organizations of Mr. Edwards and Mr. Obama, the Clinton campaign held a job fair in
Washington to recruit many of the 100 new workers, but it remains an open question whether the late influx of young
aides will be able to build the relationships with Iowa voters that other campaigns have been working on for months.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/politics/18dems.html
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:02 PM
Response to Original message
47. The Prince of Darkness
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:14 PM
Response to Original message
51. Obama showed his immaturity and that's all there is to it
he should have shut up and considered the source. But now his followers are trying to put it off on Hillary. TYPICAL.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
58. Hillary would never tell the story about Obama being into bestiality because she's just too nice
That's pretty much the message.

:puke:


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Out Of All The Charges You Can Conjure Up You Conjure UpThat One
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:41 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
"Hillary would never tell the story about Obama being into bestiality because she's just too nice."

-zulchulu


And you have a dog in your avatar...

Freudian slip, ay...


YIKES

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:49 AM
Response to Original message
68. Is Obama an idiot? Novak set him up to deliver a "HIllary is a B__" response and he fell for it.
Novak is a Republican tool. No one in the Clinton campaign is going to tell his sorry ass jack. He circulated a rumor so that someone in Obama's side could make a statement that would accuse Hillary of being mean, cold, evil hearted---you know, the B Word, without actually saying the B Word.

Obama's campaign needs to grow up. Unless they are now playing by the same rules as the Edwards campaign, making anti-Hillary statements because it gets them lots of free press coverage. Which seems pretty silly, because the MSM has been giving Obama a totally free ride up until how, covering his every word as if it comes directly from God, and I don't think that the press will stop, not until the nominating convention anyway. The GOP still hopes that Obama will be the nominee or least get enough votes to split the party down the middle.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:56 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. Clinton is the idiot to think she could get away with swiftboating Obama.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 03:00 AM by ClarkUSA
Spin it to blame the victim all you want, but it's obvious that Hillaryworld didn't issue THREE stuttering/sputtering press statements
in one day because they're entirely innocent.

Say, has Hillary denounced Novak for lying about her yet??


*crickets*


(Nah, I didn't think so.)






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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. Anyone who takes Novaks word for anything---well, lets just say I have some FEMA trailers for sell.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #70
71. Clinton hasn't called Novak a liar yet, has she? Why not?
I would, if I were innocent.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #71
80. Why should she? Obama stepped in the shit.
Let him clean up his own damn mess.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #80
89. lol! She should if she was innocent. Oh, and name one false story Novak has ever published.
*crickets*


Say, did you see the ABC/Washington Post poll of likely Iowa caucus voters that has Obama beating
Clinton by more than 2-to-1 on the question of which candidate is the most truthful and honest,
31% to 15%?


Bless those Iowans.

lol
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #68
78. He is NOT an idiot. He's a green rookie, still wet behind the ears.
A few people have touted his inexperience as a reason to think he'd be good at being the Leader Of The Free World. I have to think those people are just nuts.
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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #78
99. Change beats experience
...and we're seeing this in Iowa now.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:26 AM
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73. Believing Novak
is a chump's game. And of course, he didn't say that he thought she was a good person. That's some mysterious democratic "source", hidden in the shadows.... of Novak's little mind.

Clinton doesn't stand to gain from leaking to Novak. Obama doesn't gain from any of this. Two dem candidates for the price of one. That's one reason I think Novakula is just playing a nasty game.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #73
93. Name one false story that Novak has ever published.
*crickets*

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Josiah1982 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:01 AM
Response to Original message
74. Obama probably had an affair an extra marital relationship and it's gonna hit the fan
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 05:05 AM by Josiah1982
he's trying to defuse by claiming fake outrage but sooner or later it's going to get out. That's what I think. I have no proof. It's nothing but my own analysis of the situation. I'm sure Clinton and everyone else knows about the "dirty secret" but it's something that is brewing. I don't care if Obama fucks around that is between he and his wife and children. It is not the concern of anyone else. But, this being U.S.A. and not France, the shit will hit the fan, with people screaming "what about the children" and we must protect the sanctitiy of marriage and all that other fake outrage stuff that people love to drag up. If I am wrong: Never mind. and go about your business.


:hi:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. oh, please
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 05:06 AM by cali
this is just the kind of salacious speculation we can do without.
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Josiah1982 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:10 AM
Response to Reply #75
76. but it's the kind of salacious speculation that pops up all the time...
humans being humans and frailties being, well, frailties, these things happen in relationships and in marriages. If that is the worst thing to be exposed I don't think it will harm him...for me I would probably vote for him because he is a bit of a cad. It kinda works that way. it's when the closeted gays who are gay haters are caught cruising for sex in toiets then THAT is really a scandal. this other stuff has to be put in its place: human life.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:58 AM
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77. Obama looked like a rookie - again.
It's good for him his base is so infatuated with him.
More experienced people would've dumped long ago.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #77
94. Iowans don't think so.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:04 PM by ClarkUSA
Love that new ABC/Washington Post poll that has Obama leading as first AND second choice for likely Iowa caucus goers,
don't you?

lol
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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #94
100. Ba da ba ba ba
I'm loving it.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #100
101. Of course you are!
:hi: MKJ
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:09 AM
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79. HAs anyone seen the big story where Senator Clinton attacked Novak for making stuff up?
I can't find it.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #79
88. That's what I'm talkin' about. Surely her campaign reads the same papers as Obama's
You'd think a story supposedly manufactured out of whole cloth about the Clinton campaign shopping scurrilous rumors about her opponent would elicit a swift and scathing denial.

Guess not.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #79
95. Also, can anyone name a false story that Novak has ever published?
*crickets*
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:21 PM
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83. Clinton railed on Edwards for mudslinging
Now she has something to "say" via Novak but won't disclose? CROCK O SCHITE! Pot kettle black!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:56 AM
Response to Reply #83
96. Clinton is the kind of monumental hypocrite that only other hypocrites can truly admire.
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 03:59 AM by ClarkUSA

Ever wonder which campaign fed the $400 haircut story to reporters?

Hmmm...... lemme see...
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:56 PM
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92. So Novakula loves him some Hillary huh?
Wow, the friend of my enemy and all that. He's pushing her as a candidate-why would that be-last time he pushed something it was to ruin a career. Veddy interesting. Whose smarter here, Hillary or Novak?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #92
97. Obama is smartest for nipping Clinton's swiftboating attempt in the bud.
Obama smackdown = Hillaryworld smarting

"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging
and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve." ~ Barack Obama

ZING!

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:47 PM
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98. And Novak mentioned it because he's a sleazy page 3 gossip. n/t
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