NY Times poll shows 82% of Iowans think Obama says what he believes compared to

[jenmito]

77% for Edwards and 44% for Clinton. And in NH, 75% think Obama says what he believes, compared to 61% for Edwards and 54% for Clinton. 4 point MoE. No link-just saw it on MSNBC.

[ellisonz]

1. Ouch for Clinton.

[jenmito]

2. Exactly. And why would people vote for someone who they don't think says what they believe?

This is great news for Obama!

[rinsd]

4. Sort of. Same poll says people do no think he is ready to be President.

[jenmito]

6. He WILL be by next year.

;)

[NobleCynic]

12. An interesting perspective is implied by that result

That while they believe Obama is the more honest candidate, they believe that honesty is a liability?

[ellisonz]

13. Thank you Neocons!

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

17. They value the Clinton name more than honesty, I guess...

shame on anyone who would vote for someone they think is less honest than another candidate. If we vote int another secretive govt. with a D. after the name instead of an R., we deserve it.

[rinsd]

3. Its the CBS/NYT poll that came out yesterday. Link below

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_111307.pdf

[jenmito]

5. Thanks.

:hi:

[Lucinda]

7. Thanks! That was really interesting.

:thumbsup:

[Tejanocrat]

8. Good for Obama!

[youthere]

9. Add me in the 82%. Way to go Obama!

[jenmito]

10. Excellent!

:hi:

[youthere]

37. I like Obama...

I'm still caucusing for Biden, but if I have to realign it will be for Obama. I believe he is 100% genuine, and I will proudly support him should he get the nomination.

[jenmito]

39. I hear ya...

I hope there are others who feel the same way you do. :)

[asdjrocky]

11. Those are great numbers.

And they reflect my feelings.

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. what bothers me is that he has been caught in so many lies

So that means that the media hype is working for him and against Clinton--just like they planned.

[ClarkUSA]

15. I didn't know that. What lies are you talking about?

I'd like to know the list. Thanks in advance.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. you bet

He lied about being consistently against the Iraq war--his 2004 statements should haunt him
He lied about his opposition to labeling the Iran people terrorists (had said the very same thing that Clinton said in a Speech last year.
He lied about Social Security when he tried to distort what Clinton said, and then turned around and said the same thing--and was caught in that fib at least twice.

And what is interesting is that you are unaware of these--yet very familiar with Clinton's "lies." And that is because of the media. My theory is that the neo-cons, who control the media, want Obama to be the nominee because they know he is not strong enough to win. It is evident that the media is attacking Clinton--every story on her is negative. And it is obvious that they are softballing Obama.

[calteacherguy]

24. My theory is the people recognize that Barack Obama is an honest man

whereas they are insightful enough to also understand that Hillary Clinton is quite the tap-dancing, finger to the wind, do anything to get elected political professional she is.

That's may theory, supported by years of solid evidence.

[jenmito]

28. It's a shame, though, that people would vote for her based on those reasons.

I wish honesty and judgement would win out!

[calteacherguy]

29. I could not agree with you more. Character and judgment are what is most important. nt

[jenmito]

31. I hope more people start feeling (and voting) this way. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. actions speak louder than words.

What is the basis of the recognition? His actions prove he is no more honest than Clinton--in fact in this election, less honest than Clinton.

[NYCGirl]

26. You do realize that his 2004 statements on Iraq were made so as not to embarrass

the two guys running for President and VP, right? That's what's called protecting and respecting the nominees of our party.

[Terri S]

30. well....

General McPeak answers your first assertion quite well.

link

Secondly, Obama's opposition to Kyl-Lieberman was in the part that left open the possibility of keeping troops in Iraq contingent on fighting supposed incursions from Iran:

From the amendment:

(3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;?    (4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;

***any language stating that this did not specifically authorize military intervention was taken out***


In S970, which he was a co-sponsor of, along with 67 others (Clinton, Dodd, Kerry, Kennedy included) this is what the bill says:

• Congress makes the following findings:

• (1) For more than 20 years, Iran has pursued a secret nuclear program that is intended to produce a nuclear weapons capability for Iran.

• (2) The Government of Iran has consistently misled the United Nations, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and the United States as to the objectives and scope of its nuclear activities.

• (3) Iran has refused to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737, adopted on December 23, 2006, which called for the suspension of all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities and is advancing work at its largest nuclear facility.

• (4) The International Atomic Energy Agency is unable to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran and its Director-General has stated that Iran could be 6 months to a year away from acquiring the material necessary to make a nuclear weapon.

• (5) An Iranian nuclear weapons capability poses a grave threat to the security of the United States and its allies around the world.

• (6) It is in the national security interests of the United States to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.

• (7) The United States should use all political, economic, and diplomatic tools at its disposal to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.

• (8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

You'll notice, this dealt with political, economic and diplomatic tools ONLY!

And besides, no one labeled the Iran people terrorists.


Finally, as far as Hillary and Social Security.. the only one distorting Hillary's position is Hillary. I give you this : link

[jenmito]

18. Example?

TIA.

[calteacherguy]

23. Bullshit. I'm calling bullshit right THERE. NT

[Catherine Vincent]

16. Big Whoop.

Senator Obama is believable as much as all the other politicians. He's no different.

[jenmito]

19. Maybe in your opinion. But not in the opinion of the VAST majority.

[Colobo]

25. Obama > The Rest.

[Faryn Balyncd]

21. HUGE: Why is a Republican polling firm push polling Democrats in Iowa?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2281157




This seems to be the real story, that's being missed.

[calteacherguy]

22. If he can get past Clinton's vague "I have more experience" propaganda, he'll win. nt

[jenmito]

27. He needs to talk more about his 20+ years working for the people in govt.

Then put that together with the fact he'll be open and honest, unlike her, and that should do it.

[calteacherguy]

33. Agreed. nt

[AtomicKitten]

40. He has served in public office longer than either Clinton or Edwards.

The "inexperienced" meme is baseless.

[jenmito]

41. Exacty...which is why I wish he'd SAY that over and over again.

He's more experienced, honest, full of integrity, inspirational, etc.

[DrFunkenstein]

32. Trustworthiness is Overrated

I would rather have a "disciplined" candidate who knows how to (literally) laugh off taking uncomfortable positions.

[Colobo]

34. Yeah. A smirk or a cackle is better than the truth.

[Perry Logan]

35. How sad. Fifteen years of incontinent slander have taken their toll on Iowans.

[jenmito]

38. 15 years of Incontinent slander?

You forgot the sarcasm smiley.