What Hillary attackers don't seem to grasp

[cali]

Note that I did not say "haters", though I do think it applies to some.
They don't seem to get that the more ludicrous and contemptible their attacks, the more rational people will jump in to defend her. I'm not talking about criticism; hell, I won't vote for her in the primary because of her IWR vote, I'm talking about the bizzaro attacks that are all too common around here. The comments about how she's really a republican or a corporate whore, or a fascist. Today there was a comment linking her to Hitler.

They don't get that they're alienating anyone with a shred of sanity, with the over the top attacks.

I don't know what the point of these attacks are; I'm not even sure that those doing it the most egregiously even have a favorite candidate. But whatever it is, they're creating blowback.

[Mojorabbit]

1. It does not effect me one way or another

probably because I have not picked anyone yet. The only thing that disturbs me is that if she arouses such passion on the left AND on the right and she gets the nomination....it will be a close race.

[Bitwit1234]

2. From the start I was an Edwards supporter and I loved him when I met him.

But after reading the barrage of absolute flaming and attacks on Hillary I am slowly going over to her side. I say to myself, people who support a candidate and then have to flame, slur, swift boat some one else trying to make people turn away I turned to her.

[Armstead]

8. If that's your logic then you should support the GOP candidate

It's silly to base your choice on the fact that you don't like the way some of Hillary's critics express themselves.

if that's your criteria, then the logical extension is to support Bush and the GOP, because they are relentlessly subject to venomous attacks here.

[Hieronymus]

13. I share your opinion .. what a piss poor reason to support someone for

president.

[ruggerson]

3. You're a nasty, DLC spewing Hillbot

whatever the hell that means.

:hi:

[JI7]

4. the tipping story also

even after the story was corrected many refused to accept it and wanted to believe the first false story

[Yael]

5. I think this may go both ways

From what I have seen here, there will be those who back her no matter what, yet never seem to discuss the issues -- it is all emotion. That can leave the more logically wired people drained and frustrated as they don't "get" the emotional argument for politics because they are too focused on the issues.


Just my impression.

[EV_Ares]

6. LOL, your post is funny Cali. You didn't say haters but you did have to

bring it up didn't you. This is the funniest however: "the more ludicrous and contemptible their attacks, the more rational people will jump in to defend her."

That is so funny because it is a copy of what I & others have said about you Hillary supporters that constantly put out these kind of posts & attacking those who dare criticize her. You are not doing her any favors and you turn anyone off who might possibly contemplate supporting her. You talk about comments about Hillary, go back and see one earlier today about Obama, or others.

You say: "They don't get that they're alienating anyone with a shred of sanity, with the over the top attacks."

The same goes for the Hillary shrills and attackers and constant whining about the criticism of her.

Anyway, good luck.

[ruggerson]

9. That's where you're wrong

lots of people here who feel compelled to defend her because the attacks are so vitriolic, are not her supporters (in the primary, at least). I don't believe Cali's voting for her, I'm not, and tons of others who routinely defend her are not either.

This is where you guys totally miscalculate.

[EV_Ares]

15. Yeah, right if you say so. OK, if you aren't supporting her even though

so much time is spent defending her & and being upset at those who are so critical of her. Why not give equal time to those Hillary supporters attacking Obama and putting out garbage about him. Oh I know, you just happen to miss those posts right.

So whatever.

[ruggerson]

41. Because Obama lost me on his cozying up to bigots

long before the McLurkin thing, which just sealed the deal.

I will vote for Obama if he gets the nomination, but, frankly he's just about the last Democrat I want to be our standard bearer.

[CyberPieHole]

17. I'm not voting for her in the primary either...or at least I don't think I will...

at this moment I will probably vote for Joe Biden. But I have jumped to her defense because of some of the piling on by the Obabots....Obama I don't support at all, but that is because of his lack of respect for the civil rights of others. Still, many think that if one defends her, then one must be voting for her...the two are not necessarily the same thing.

[EV_Ares]

22. Yeah, right he was a terrible Civil Rights attorney. LOL, man, eom.

[CyberPieHole]

35. His pandering to religious bigots has proven his Civil Rights position for the GLBT...

community. Under the bus for them and for anyone who supports Civil Rights for everyone. I suppose you would find that funny?:shrug:


:rofl: my ass.

[EV_Ares]

36. No but I do find your post somewhat humerous, eom.

[CyberPieHole]

42. In what way? How is it "humerous"? Could you elucidate (make clear)?

[EV_Ares]

47. Is that what took you so long to reply, trying to find an impressive

word for everyone. I like your childish attempt to impress which actually only shows your smallness since you don't even know anything about the person you are making your inept attempt at.

So, in closing with your post, another humorous one you have made.

Thanks for the word though.

[CyberPieHole]

55. You are welcome...but, what was so "humerous"?

[Sparkly]

39. True

I don't intend to vote for her -- although I vote late in the process anyway. I might choose who to vote for based on blocking someone else; otherwise, probably Kucinich. And, I haven't donated money to anybody at this point, don't expect to be writing letters or making calls for anybody, etc.

But yes, I've become a defender because the attacks on her are so ridiculous. And, it's crossed my mind that maybe it'd be good if she were the nominee if only because it's become evident there are some fights we need to fight -- some consciousnesses that need to be raised, even among "liberals." (I also confess to voting for her on occasion in DU polls when I just feel like pissing people off.)

[cali]

14. How could you say it about me?

I don't support her. I've written some very harsh stuff about her.
You seem a tad bit confused, my friend.

[EV_Ares]

18. Yeah sure, whatever you say "my friend" it seems apparant where

the confusion is running.

[cali]

24. lol

it's a figure of speech, not, I confess, a sentiment. that has nothing to do with the fact that I'm not a Hillary supporter.

[cuke]

7. Shhhhhh!!!!!

[Perry Logan]

10. Anti-Hillarties don't get anything. They ask the same questions over and over, ignoring the answers.

[JDPriestly]

11. I say what I think. For some strange reason, Hillary draws this controversy to herself.

If she is the candidate, she will have great difficulty winning over people who do not want to vote for her. We have other candidates who are well qualified, have great ideas and will excite the electorate in a positive way. I happen to be for Edwards, but if Biden or Dodd or Richards or Obama win the nomination, I will be 100% in support of their candidacy. I believe they are all qualified and can win the election. I think Hillary has lots of experience but will have a hard time getting elected. She appeals a lot to New Yorkers and to many Democrats, but she does not have broad appeal for Republicans who are disgruntled with the Bushies or for independents. Her negatives are just too high. This is not the time to be nice. This is the time to vet the candidates carefully -- to study their potential for winning as well as their qualifications.

[cali]

19. I don't know. we'll see.

but that's not what I was talking about.

[EV_Ares]

20. Good post Priestly. On target. eom.

[Armstead]

12. Bizzaro attacks criticizing her corporate orientation?

Look at who's behind her campaign, who's behind the DLC and how that affects the policies they have pursued and pushed onto the Democratic Party over the years.

Maybe you think it's a good thing, but those who criticize that are not being "bizarro." It is a legitimate concern.

[cuke]

16. Bizarro attacks like her non-existent no-tip smear

her cleavage, her laugh, her hair, her abandoning Socks the cat, etc

but I'm sure you haven't noticed those

[jefferson_dem]

23. Obama

didn't put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem played, he hates seniors, hippies, and GLBT people, his pilot landed at the wrong airport...

All our candidates are smeared for reasons some consider petty. Welcome to politics, American-style. :patriot:

[cuke]

26. And you are happy to join in and help the repukes

I remember that you were the one who claimed Hillary dumped Socks the cat

[jefferson_dem]

28. You're partly correct. I found the socks story humorous, stating that it read like an SNL skit.

But it's not surprising to see your taunts and wild-eyed accusations. That's your style. Try to lighten up. Try reeling in your snarkiness before you feel compelled to apologize...again.

[cuke]

30. No one believed you the 1st time you used that excuse

and it's obvious you will never feel compelled to apologize for a mistake

[BootinUp]

37. lol, so true. nt

[blm]

25. Ignore those threads and jump on ones that have serious disagreements with her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Besides her penchant to swiftboat other Dems, there are some of us who are angry with her record and that of Bill Clinton's because we really believe in honest and open government that is accountable to the people.

Bill is already saying Bush and Cheney won't get accountability because he said the country is already 'over' what they've done and don't want it.

Well - when Bill said that last time in 1993 about all Poppy Bush's outstanding matters in his illegal operations, how did that end up for our country?


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

How many Democrats understand the serious impact of what was done throughout the 90s? How many realize HOW we ended up with Bush2 and many of the criminals from Bush1 back in power?

[cuke]

27. Bwahahaha!

They're so cute when they're angry

[EV_Ares]

32. What a childish post., eom.

[jefferson_dem]

33. That's some fucked up shit there.

Pffft...

[Name removed]

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[cali]

21. No. Bizarro attacks linking her to Hitler or fascism

bizarro attacks about leaving/not leaving a tip in a diner. Bizarro attacks about her giving away the puddy tat. Criticizing her for corporate ties is fair game, just like criticizing Edward for ties to a hedge fund is fair game.

[JDPriestly]

48. Sorry, but her vote for the Peru trade deal is a vote against

American and Peruvian working people --- and for huge multi-national corporations. Hillary does not stand up for the principles that are fundamental to Democrats. That is the problem.

[The River]

29. What Hillary defenders don't seem to grasp

is when they view all legitimate criticism as an "attack" you
are just asking for an escalation of tension.
It's a good trick. Refuse to respond to any valid criticism,
(which cannot be acknowledged as valid because it weakens your position)
change the subject by attacking the poster and then
create separate threads to blame the
"Hillery Haters" for whats ailing DU.

[EV_Ares]

34. Good one but you have to remember Cali and her group are not

Hillary supporters. They just do all these posts because of all the hate posts against Hillary. But, they are not concerned with all the hate posts of other candidates.

[cali]

40. first of all I have come out and called people on hate posts

about other candidates. I wrote an OP calling out Hillary supporters for gleefully jumping on the Obama/McClurkin thing. I called out others for the stupid jumping on Dennis for the UFO thing. Secondly the fast preponderance of inane attacks is on Clinton.

I won't hold my breath waiting for you to acknowledge your error.

[EV_Ares]

45. No prob acknowledging if you have done that. That is very commendable

of you. However, I will not acknowledge any error until I see you doing it. Maybe some links would help. Have only seen you spending your time supporting, whoops, just helping Hillary against the awful attacks.

[cuke]

49. No *if* about it. Cali HAS done it

Maybe you should find out the facts before accusing another poster of selective outrage.

[EV_Ares]

52. Maybe you might try reading a little slower. Did not accuse of

anything, I said "if" she did, that is commendable, and if she did, maybe some links would help.

So try again and a little slower.

You Hillary supporters are really so funny, what was it one of you said, "so cute when you are angry".

[cuke]

56. Maybe you might try reading your own posts. Here's what you said

Cali and her group are not Hillary supporters. They just do all these posts because of all the hate posts against Hillary. But, they are not concerned with all the hate posts of other candidates.

[EV_Ares]

58. It appears to be true until shown differently unless you expect everyone

to just take your good little soldier word for it. The only posts have seen are those she starts like this that always turns into what she hopes for apparently.

[cuke]

60. No, accusations are not true until proven false

[EV_Ares]

62. No problem, just read all her threads and go from there, doesn't matter

to me or others, the posts are what they are. Nothing else needed.

[cuke]

64. I just noticed your #6 where you accuse Cali of being a HIllary supporter

When you were proven wrong, instead of learning your lesson, you just continued to make ridiculous accusations

[EV_Ares]

75. Oh I am sorry, did you teach me a lesson, must have missed that

lesson.

[cuke]

78. You missed it?

Quelle surprise!

[cali]

50. Sorry, I just

lost my star. I need to donate again before I can avail myself of search. You can search yourself.

[EV_Ares]

51. LOL, yeah thats what I thought. eom. but your little foot soldier is

vouching for you.

[cuke]

57. Just calling you on your accusation and misrepresentations

[EV_Ares]

59. Things are usually what they appear to be and what from the appearance

of this Cali thread as the other threads she has started like this. It seems to be what it is.

[cuke]

61. So are more interested in appearances than the truth

I guess I'm not one of them

"It seems to be what it is."

Yes, your baseless and unproven accusation that you won't back up with evidence is a "baseless and unproven accusation that you won't back up with evidence "

[EV_Ares]

63. LOL, whatever. I really don't know what you are but yes it is what it is.

It really has been fun but have to go so you have a good evening.

[cuke]

65. And another poster refuses to defend their BS

Bye bye

[EV_Ares]

72. Haven't got out of here yet. Not refusing to do anything as the recipient

appears to be unable to absorb anything in the english language is not my fault.

Now goodbye, as this is only fun for a little while and then a waste of time but when you guys start another baiting type thread like this, there will be those of us to play your game for a while again.

Goodnight.

[cuke]

73. It's b-a-a-a-c-k

Got any more false accusations to make?

[cali]

66. you really are offensive

all you have to do is run a search and you can see for yourself. Instead you prefer to dip your hands into your own waste and fling your shit. I have nothing but contempt for that kind of behavior.

Have a nightmare or two tonight- on me.

[cuke]

67. He made TWO false accusations in one thread

First he called you a Clinton supporter. Then he said you never complain about other bashing threads

And once I called EA on it, it disappears

[EV_Ares]

74. If you reallly made the posts, I am sure you would not hesitate to

post them for me.

[cuke]

76. Keep pretending things are true until proven false

It's really making you sound credible

[EV_Ares]

77. Where are the posts? eom.

[cali]

69. oh yeah, and for the "little foot soldier"

comment? Go Cheney yoursef.

[cuke]

71. Don't worry

those posts won't last very long

[EV_Ares]

79. lol, like you or your other foot soldier said "so cute when you are angry". eom.

[ronnykmarshall]

31. Be careful, cali.

You might be "on watch".

:silly:

[illinoisprogressive]

43. Same could be said for the vicious attacks on Obama

[ruggerson]

44. The attack on OBama were because he cozied up to bigots

not because he claps too much at rallies, didn't look well groomed on Letterman or didn't leave a tip at a diner. (which she actually did, rather generously I might add).

For the thousandth time, I believe the OP is referring to the OVER THE TOP personal and character attacks. Not legitimate policy disagreements.

[EV_Ares]

54. Don't forget the Rupert Murdoch huge fundraiser for her at his home, eom.

[cuke]

68. Cowardly avoidance of defending the homophobe

[laugle]

46. Attacking any candidate in a personal way,

is a bad strategy!

Pointing out the stengths/weakness of a candidate is more productive.

More time should be spent on the marketing of a favored candidate, that's more of a winning strategy....besides, it just looks desperate!!

[baldguy]

53. I will vote for the nominee for President of the Democratic Party in Nov 2008

[polichick]

70. I will too...

Unless some kick-ass Indie shows up to lead us to the promised land.