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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:27 PM
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I have a serious question for Clinton supporters.
I want to know the reason you are supporting her.

What has she done or what platform has she put out there that make her your candidate?

Please, please, please no attacks, we have plenty of those threads.

And please no "she has the best chance of winning the general election" or "she knows how to fight the rights attack machine". I want to know about her policies.

Thank you.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:29 PM
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1. Do we have a "Crickets" smilie?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:30 PM
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2. ...
:popcorn:
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:30 PM
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3. Google it.
like everyone else.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:30 PM
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4. her policy is that she's a realist
as much as I'd love to kick the Corporate $$$ and power out of our government, it ain't gonna happen this election cycle.

I think she can negotiate with the Corps and get things done for us worker bees

and that's why I don't see HRC as the anti Christ and won't mind voting for her in the General Election if she's the candidate

I'm heading off to work now, so I can't reply again for several hours :hi:
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:43 PM
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17. Thank you!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:08 PM
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107. Begging for handouts? That's being a realist?
If there was ever an opportunity to begin to push back against the corporate elites, this election is it. People have had it after 30 years of being beaten down, and they want leadership that will reassert the interests and power of the majority.

But if the democrats become so "realistic" as to offer just more of the same, we will have blown a golden opportunity.



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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:31 PM
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5. good luck with that.
:popcorn:
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:34 PM
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7. LOL
Exactly. Policy? What policy? Who needs a freaking policy?

HRC has two things going for her: 1) her gender; and 2) her last name.

The rest is gravy.
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bfantana Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
99. Nepotism and name recognition is how to win in politics
Just ask Gore, Bayh, Bush, Kennedy, Pryor, Cuomo, etc. etc.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:31 PM
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6. It's a job
pays well; I assume.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:34 PM
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8. These kinds of threads are always spammed by non Clinton supporters
and then people wonder why Clinton supporters don't respond?! You'd think they would get a clue that if they don't support Clinton then they shouldn't respond, but they don't seem to grasp something that obvious.

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:36 PM
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11. well, you took the time to post THIS post, surely you had the time to actually respond
to the question.

If I were someone on the campaign, I'd consider that a lost opportunity.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:37 PM
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12. And these types of OPs also get about a gazillion recs...........
for what??????

Nothing in that OP deserves a rec and I don't mean to be offensive to the writer. "Others" believe this is an anti-Hillary thread so they recommend it.

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:35 PM
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9. Policies are largely irrelevant
The only candidate who has policies that are meaningfully different from everyone else's is Kucinich. (and maybe Richardson on a few things, both good and bad.)

The rest are close enough to each other that it would be be foolish to make support decisions based on policy pronouncements.

It's about personal traits.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:36 PM
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10. LOL - well the ones you listed not to talk about are pretty important
and two good reasons to vote for her.

Senator Clinton has been a tireless advocate for women and women's issues and women's rights.
I remember she went to Afghanistan in 1996, long before it was fashionable to advocate for the women there.

She has been a tireless advocate for children.

Her health-care plan is "do-able" Although not universal yet... it opens the road and is something that can get done. Not some pie in the sky instant single-payer plan that could NEVER happen within the next few years.

Bill Clinton.

I also believe that she is NOT a hawk, but is walking a tightrope, which is good politics and a winning strategy.

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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. "Women's rights are human rights" in a speech she gave in China
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #14
105. And she has authored legislation to impose trade sanctions on China...
until the Human Rights issues are resolved!!!!
Oh wait. No she didn't.

Well, surely she took the floor in the Senate to deplore working conditions in China, and formed an exploratory committee to find ways to deal with this issue?
No. Not that either.

Well, she must have brought up this issue on one of the many campaign appearances on the Talking Head Shows, and criticized American Corporations for turning a blind eye to the deplorable Working Conditions exploited by Global Corporations in China?
No. Not even that.

You can hardly call her a "champion" on this issue.
More like a Go along to get along...oh well, ain't that bad.



More non binding campaign posturing.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.


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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:38 PM
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13. A lifetime fighting to help the poor, children, women, minorities
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Post one example that's not from her own website
Can somebody restart the cricket noise? Thanks.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Go away with your silly remarks
as if she is hiding her achievements by not posting them on her website. How ridiculous can you be?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:56 PM
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28. Funny how she skipped the "achievement" of sitting on Wal-mart's board for six years
Yeah, that couldn't possibly be an unbiased sample... :rofl:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:44 PM
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18. what's wrong with posting from her website?
All candidates list their accomplishments on their sites.
What... you want the same info from the NYTimes?

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. Oh nothing. It's clearly an unbiased representation of her resumé
Could you please point me to the page where she talks about sitting on the board of Walmart? I'm sure it includes LOADS of help for the poor, women, minorities and children.

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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:06 PM
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39. What is so terribly wrong with being on the board
of Walmart? Especially before it was politically correct to be against Walmart. When the old man was alive it had a good name. Was known to sell American made products.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. Is there a reason it shouldn't come from her website?
Is there a reason it shouldn't come from her website?

When someone asks me why I support the Democratic platform, should I not list the relevant portions of that very platform that I agree with and support?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:48 PM
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21. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
72. Her website is perfectly acceptable - if it was incorrect, we'd be hearing about it, but here ya go
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Thanks, I have read her web site on the issues.
I wanted the thoughts of her supporters.

Of course I will trust someone much more who is smart enough to love Goldens. :)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:53 PM
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27. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask
Basically, I like all of those things. If you want to know more about a specific issue, please don't hesitate to ask
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
41. The OP appears to be asking how YOU arrived at the decision to support her
which is a different question from what her policies are.

at least, that's how I read it.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. The OP appears to be satisfied w/my response and is free to ask me questions
so stop trying to be a thread nanny
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. there appeared to be a general misunderstanding. I was just trying to help.
:shrug:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:49 PM
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22. Oh, stuff it. If you don't want her, DON'T VOTE FOR HER.
Is anybody asking you to justify YOUR choice?

If you want to know about her policies, you have as much access to Google and her website as the rest of us.

Your question is both lazy and disgustingly smug.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Another lovely non-answer
Please continue proving the OP's point. :rofl:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:59 PM
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30. You've been given several answers
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 04:00 PM by Lirwin2
You refuse to accept them because they are listed "on her website."
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Looks like the tag team is out in force today
What, do you guys carry beepers or something? :rofl:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Good one.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 04:06 PM by Lirwin2
I'm laughing *with* you, Jgraz.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
52. Do You Always Laugh At Your Own Jokes?
Are you this much of a prince away from your monitor?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. No, I'm usually laughing at you
:rofl:

^^^ see?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #54
58. I Thought It Was The Horrid Visage You See In Your Mirror
DSB
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. "Using the internet (to trade insults) strikes me as rank cowardice..."
Remind me again, who said that?

:hi:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. See Post 63
But if you want to visit me in Orlando I will buy you a beer or your beverage of choice.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. Heh. It'll take more than a beer to get me back to Orlando
Use to play gigs at Disneyworld. I'm not going near that place again. :scared:


I'm sure they've forgotten about those outstanding warrants by now...

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Now You're Making Me Feel Bad About the Other Post
Let's declare a truce...

What did you do for The Mouse?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. I played keyboards in their dumbass shows
It paid REALLY well, if you don't mind them sucking out your soul.

Ironically, I came *this* close to being a Disney employee again, but I left Pixar just before the buyout. *whew*
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. So YOU'RE the one to blame!
That fucking "It's a Small World" song is from the bowels of hell!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. You know it. Luckily, I never had to play that song
It was more along the lines of lameass Show Choir crap. However, many of the Disney songs do lend themselves to lovely jazz interpretations. That, and being one of the few straight guys in the cast, was the only thing that made the gigs bearable.



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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. delete
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 05:01 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
56. Bwa!!!!
:rofl:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. I'm Being Ganged Up On By The Bopsy Twins
MOMMY!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. WTF is a "Bopsy" twin?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Clever One , Aren't You
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #65
106. I wasn't being a snark
I have never heard that term in my life (I am in my 40s).

What does two drunk women on a dance floor in matching pink tee-shirts have to do with anything?

Seriously?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #32
94. the tag team?
how about you and lurkie? looks like a tag team to me. :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. Being that I'm not as bright or as clever
Being that I'm not as bright or as clever as most of the posters on DU, I feel compelled to ask-- if not a sincere question, then what was the point of the OP?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. as I read it, it seems to be asking why her supporters support her, based on policies.
at least, that's how it appears to me.

I think some people are missing the point that the OP is asking for how those people arrived at their decision to support her, based on policies.

shouldn't be that hard to answer, actually. I can give an example:

Person A: I decided to vote for Kucinich because I agree with his policy to end the war in Iraq.
Person B: I decided to vote for Clinton because I agree with the details of her health plan.


that sort of thing.


:shrug:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. IMO, that's pretty shallow
If I only have one reason to support a candidate, then I'm supporting someone else.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. ? I was using an example, its not meant to be limited to one reason
I was trying to help iron out a misunderstanding.

thanks.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. I suggest you trust the OP to speak for him/herself
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. thanks for the suggestion.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:44 PM
Original message
if you'll look at post #69, you'll see the OP speaking for themselves.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:51 PM
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74. And that was the form of my response
I really don't get you. I answered. I gave several reasons in the form you suggested, and yet you continue to trail me saying the OP is somehow unsatisfied with my response, even though the OP hasn't asked for any further clarification.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. You seem to be suffering under a false impression
what you just described was not anywhere close to what I was doing.

I will, however, accept your apology for calling me a thread nanny.

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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #34
61. Thanks! That is what I was asking.
I guess I was silly enough to not realize that people would call me names for asking for opinions. Or that others would have to use this thread to get in additional attacks.
Oh well, hope springs eternal.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. hey, no problem! I could see people were misunderstanding and I attempted to help
and you see what that got me! LOL!

anyways, glad I was correct in how I read your OP.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #34
79. Seems to be a lot of disingenuity going around these days...
And that's why there's animosity on the thread? Because a person misinterpreted a question, or another person's not satisfied with an answer?

Seems to be a lot of disingenuity going around these days...
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. there was no animosity in my posts atttempting to correct a misunderstanding
if you saw animosity there, I'm confused as to how, none was intended.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:32 PM
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95. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #95
97. completely inappropriate personal attack for no reason
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 05:42 PM by Lerkfish
and alerted on
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. that's fine.
but really, you should expect that people are going to call you on this stuff.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #22
57. Meow!
Pull the claws back a bit, ok?

Damn. All it was, was a QUESTION and one I was almost ready to clear my ignore list to read the answers to.

I think I will pass...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #22
109. Struck a nerve obviously.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:52 PM
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25. Check out her website. I'll even give you the link.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. I think you may be missing the OP's point, see my post #35
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 04:05 PM by Lerkfish
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #35
46. your post #33 (before you edited in #35) was written by "jgraz." Oops.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 04:11 PM by wyldwolf
Hey... weren't you on another board recently discussing sock puppets?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. I corrected a typo, thanks.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #25
51. This question
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 04:31 PM by murbley40
has been asked of supporters of other candidates.The one who first comes to mind is Joe Biden because I am a Biden supporter.

Not once did a Biden supporter give answers such as "google like everyone else",etc.

Biden supporters are very knowledgeable about their candidate and are proud to inform anyone of why they support him; as are a lot of the other candidates supporters here.

Why aren't Hillary supporters knowledgeable about their candidate's positions on the issues and why she takes them? Could it be because as I heard a young lady say on a call in show 'she will
make her positions clear after she wins the nomination". Honest to God that is what she said in answer to the same question that was asked here.:shrug: So, do you support her for any other reason than: she is a woman, could be our first woman president, make history; We will get the benefit of Bill again; it's time for woman to be president,etc?

And why would you be so snarky about it?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:27 PM
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53. I didn't say google, I said her website.
Her policies are on her website. It's far easier for me to tell someone to look at that than to try to type out long posts which would be basically the same as to whats on her website. is that hard to understand?

This is just one of the many reasons I said check her website. "Why aren't Hillary supporters knowledgeable about their candidate's positions on the issues and why she takes them?" If you think that makes you superior, then by all means play that superiority complex in your mind all you want.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:31 AM
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110. No, I do not think it makes me superior,

just informed about the candidate that I support for the highest office in the land, if not the world and glad to civilly discuss it with anyone who asks.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:38 PM
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60. I agree, Murbley
Now I'm note a "Hillary -basher" per-se. I'll vote for her in the general. But it seems to me that Clinton supporters just can't come up with a lot of substance for their support. I mostly hear "she's tough" "she knows how to beat the Republicans." "She's smart." While these maybe true, it's sort of odd. Us Biden supporters can point to the MANY things Joe has done, especially recently, as reasons why we support him. These SUBSTANTIVE issues REFLECT his character and leadership. I just don't see any of this from Hillary supporters. Now, I like Hillary, I understand her appeal, I'm just mystified at her amazing lead in the polls which is due, in my view, to this amorphous celebrity image she's cultivated for herself that has little or nothing to do with the business of governing or legislating. My two cents.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:45 PM
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67. Bang on right
Biden isn't even close to my first choice, but none of his supporters have ever responded with the kind of arrogance we see on these Hillary threads.

However, I'm certain you aren't correct about her supporters not being well informed. They may just be obnoxious weenies. ;)

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:52 PM
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26. Response.
When you ask for someone's reason for supporting a candidate you don't get to narrow down the criteria.

Some may see little difference if any between many of the Dem candidates and may be attracted to the personality or other qualities of a candidate.

Here's a series of threads I did for all of the candidates asking their supporters to contribute.

This is the Hillary one with links to all of the others- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3614351
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Actually, last I checked, you could ask any question you wanted
It's ok if you're not up to answering it. But (to use your words) "you don't get to" deride the OP just because you have no response.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #26
64. Thanks! That is helpful.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:05 PM
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36. Hillary is a responsible adult, she is intelligent and smart
she knows how to get things done, look how they love what she has done for New York. She does not bash and slash her opponents. Look at the way they republican slurred her at the debate for Senator..she kept her cool, made him look like a dope and WON RE-ELECTION.

Remember the old adage.....YOU HAVE TO GET ALONG..TO GET ALONG.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:34 PM
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55. What has she done for New York?
I live in NY and I can assure you that a lot of people will tell you she is not "loved" here. Her election and re-election were against very weak opponents.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:47 PM
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71. Got the 20B * promised and then tried to renege on
HRCs 1st run was against Rudy Fiuliani. Not a weak opponent. Giuliani dropped out because he had an operation for colon cancer (Please note that colon cancer didn't stop Kerry from running for President, a much harder task than running for Senator)

And HRC was re-elected by wide margins and even got a large share of the repubican votes upstate, so keep saying no one likes her. It will really help your credibility
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:09 PM
Original message
That's your list? One item?
And you are questioning my credibility?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:15 PM
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89. Moving the goalposts?
You asked what she did, so I mentioned one thing. You didn't ask for a list, so I didn't give you one. Now here:

got Plan B accessible OTC, helped secure the $20billion to rebuild after 9/11, fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero. She also passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed. She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves, introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage, She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families. She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs, she worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care. She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools. Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Thanks for the additional info. I will really read everything
carefully later. If I have any questions I may be asking you.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:21 PM
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93. Please do
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. Specific to NY?
Not to diminish the importance of those accomplishments nationally, but the question was what has she done for NY. (Besides the $20B, which, last I heard, was still not completely fulfilled.)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. Then read my response
It includes several things she accomplished that benefited NY

And FYI: Senators do most of their work at the FEDERAL level, not the state level, and all of the things she did that benefited the nation, also benefited NYS
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #71
112. Prostate cancer, cuke.
Neither Kerry nor Giuliani were diagnosed with colon cancer.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #112
113. My mistake
Thanks for pointing that out
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #55
101. Here is her senate website
Feel free to peruse.

http://clinton.senate.gov/
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:05 PM
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37. why don't you use the DU search feature and find the last batch of threads that asked this?
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
66. Maybe because for the first time in the last 5 years I cannot
afford to donate and therefore cannot use the search.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:56 PM
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77. I'm sorry to hear that
I'm in the same boat. Sucks being poor, doesn't it
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #77
83. I miss not being a donor.
Hopefully after the first of the year I can pony up again.
I still love DU despite the insanity at times.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:06 PM
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40. Perhaps you could read the 1,000 other threads titled: I have a question for Clinton supporters.
aaaaaccckkk
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #40
49. Sadly, they all seem to be filled with non sequitors and ad hominems
and many, many other bad things with latin names.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:58 PM
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80. honestly I think because it is an insulting flame-bait question
everyone knows her strenghts and weaknesses. Everyone knows her stance on the issues and can filter past the swiftboating of the media, republicans, and even of the other dems. So, when someones asks, "what the hell are you thinking," I get tired and offended, and resort to responding in kind.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #80
85. I am sorry you were insulted, but I don't believe I stated anything
close to "What the hell are you thinking?"

I honestly wanted to hear her supporters, in their own words, tell me what they liked about her, why they supported her and what about her policies got them motivated.

I believe there is a good chance she will be our nominee and I want some reasons to support her when/if that happens.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:20 PM
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50. hmm
:popcorn:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:46 PM
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70. I support her because
I love the fact that after 8 years of attacks while she was first lady, she didn't walk into the sunset.... instead, she fought for and won a Senate seat.

If anybody in America could be expected to say "enough of this shit", it would've been her. But she didn't do that - she stayed in the fight.

In addition, I think she's incredibly smart.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:04 PM
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84. The sleaziness of the attacks on her won me over. Anti-Hillarites might want to think about that.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 05:04 PM by Perry Logan
Also...

Hillary forced bush* and the republicans to increase funding for Ryan White Care Act grants, which fund a wide variety of services for people with HIV

She forced bush*'s Secretary of Defense to brief the Senate Armed Forces Ctte about the Pentagons plan for an eventual withdrawal from Iraq

She forced the FDA to approve Plan B by placing a hold on bush*'s nominee

She did such an excellent job of rejuvenating the economy of upstate NY (mostly republican) that in her re-election bid, she won all but four of the majority-repub counties. In NYS, even republicans like her

She got funding to monitor the health of vets returning from Iraq in order to avoid a "Gulf Syndrome" like fiasco

She helped secure the $20B bush* promised to NY to rebuild after 9/11 even after bush* tried to renege on his promise

She got funding to provide health care for the first responders that are now sick from working around Ground Zero

She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves

She wrote legislation to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism

She worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with her legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act


Other work she's done that doesn't count as "achievements" but demonstrate her politics

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:09 PM
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86. Thank you!
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:19 PM
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92. Thank you Perry
I'm flattered
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:09 PM
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87. After 8 years of Bush ....
I think Hillary is the best candidate to move the nation back to where we were when Bill Clinton left office.

Do I want a someone this is more the left? Yeah.

But I'm realistic about how much of a turn the nation should take following the smoldering ruins of the Bush admin.

Flame on !
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:57 PM
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102. This is asked every other day on DU.
Do a search.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:14 PM
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103. I forgot one when I answered upthread....
Because it pisses off the hotheads.
I'll be having so much fun on election night when it's "Madam President"

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:17 PM
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104. You notice how Hillary supporters are the only ones asked to justify their support here...
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 06:17 PM by SaveElmer
We get these ridiculous posts at least once a week...

I suggest you do a search as this has been asked and answered innumerable times...

And I would suggest that you not narrow the scope of acceptable answers to such a question...it isn't your place to decide what rationale is acceptable...
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #104
108. I don't believe it's true that only her supporters are asked questions.
There are probably more asked of her supporters because she is the current front runner.

I do understand why people get defensive with all the attacks going on, but it might be helpful it Clinton supports try to see the difference between those who are just attacking and those who are honestly looking for information and opinions.

Maybe I did not explain my reason in my question, but the reason I wanted more than "she is the best chance to win the general" and "she is best at fighting the rights attacks". Is because for me that is not a reason I can get excited about a candidate. If it works for you great, but I am trying to find something that can excite me to support Clinton if/when she become our nominee. I am trying to not let the angry, hateful comments from her supporters push me the away from that.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:07 AM
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111. Well said.
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