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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:25 AM Original message |
Bill Clinton's actual shocking, appalling comments (transcript) |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. This whole Hillary thing has been badly overblown, and I'm saying |
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beberocks (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Absolutely! Seems like there is a smear campaign going on among Dems on HRC. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Yep--it's not that big a deal. It IS a "gray" issue. I think most people |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Were you equally outraged |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. That pissed me off, of course, but it wasn't nearly as "overmagnified" |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. The two issues likely got about the same coverage |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Get used to it - the 2008 general election will be another GOP-inspired joke. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. It's starting to look that way. It's a shame that Dems can't have their |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm so fu**ing shocked, and I used to respect him. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I have seen Dems swiftboating other Dems on occasion, though.... |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I have searched for two days and I can't find a statement from Obama either. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I don't think Obama easily commanded newscameras in 2002 and 2004. Do you |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. In 2002 and even in 2004, Obama was not the prominent |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks. Now i'm really convinced. Criticizing the way Hillary handled that question is just like... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. I find that hard to believe |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Good catch. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. Amen |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Immigration is a WEDGE ISSUE - not swiftboating |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The GOPers tried hammering on immigration in VA, and it backfired on them on Tuesday-- |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. True - it will backfire if they go to far |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Proof positive that the MSM and many here, desperately need audio/visual |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. It's the fucking Associated Press. They run endless, false stories against |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. This is the result of the $$$ driven, sound bite age that has fueled |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
10. Keep trying...Bill fails the equivalency test here |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Your judgement fails the test |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
11. shocking because the man dares to speak the d*mn truth? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
17. He's right on target. Absolutely correct. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. He's way OFF target... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. She didn't dodge the question, this is bs spin from her rivals and the msm |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. She DID dodge the question. She's STILL dodging the question... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Please tell the truth |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Here ya go: |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. She understands Spitzer has to do something, but believes a federal approach is better. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Then why did she put out a statement the next day in favor of Spitzer's plan? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Because she thinks it's a good idea |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. So she's for it. But she said she's NOT for it. But she put out a statement saying she's for it |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. God this reminds me so much of the Kerry "for it before I was against it" smear |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Still don't see any contradictions |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Tim said she said she thought it was a good idea. She went on to explain why she thought it was a |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Where's the contradiction |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. You're being blinded by your support of her. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. You rely on what Tim Russert said, and accuse me of being blinded |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You're repeating the Hillary camp BS that Russert was attacking her... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
19. So Clinton uses Swiftboating as a 'preamble' to discussing Hillary's performance during the debate |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Even ignoring the shamelessness, this also seems really poor strategy |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. No true |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
20. I love watching the Clintons shit in their draws becasue they screwed up |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
28. And here are the phrases from the speech that show he was talking about the other Dem. candidates |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. That's some mighty selective reading |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I quoted the whole thing and pointed out where he said things that make my (and others') points |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. No, you inserted your own opinions into it |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Exactly. Each line I put in bold, I gave my opinion as to what he meant... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Nope, you made stuff up |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I did NOT! I gave my interpretation of his words. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. So now you change your story |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. What are you talking about? What contradiction? I'm talking about Bill accusing the other Dems. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Bill didn't accuse any dems of anything |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. He DID say it in so many words. Again, Bush never SAID Iraq was responsible for 9/11... |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
29. Thank you for posting this. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
31. great post, Kurt and Hunter... |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
59. Obama; “My understanding is President Clinton’s not on the ballot.” |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
62. the Message: "DONT YOU DARE LET THEM TAKE THIS ELECTION AWAY FROM YOU!" |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. And just who the hell are these that will take this |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I disagree, I think he is talking about the Republicans, doing their |
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