So Bill Clinton Has No Idea What "Swiftboating" Means.

[KittyWampus]

Swiftboating as it actually happened to John Kerry = some paid for group making up a complete fiction about an opponent and then getting the Media to replay the lie no matter how many times it's pointed out the story is a LIE thereby validating the bullshit.

So Clinton alludes to 'swiftboating' in a comment about what happened to Hillary during the debate.

Why even bring up the term "swiftboat" when commenting on that debate?

What relevance does it have?

Then when he's called on it, he tries to spin his comments and thereby demonstrates he has no freaking clue.

What makes me even more upset? Wes Clark either doesn't have a clue or is willing to play along with this mess.

[Karmadillo]

1. Do you have a link to where Bill tried to spin this?

nt

[Bitwit1234]

74. Any little nuances to try to flame Hillary Clinton the Obama supporters

pounce on.....the accepted adjective when a person is flamed constantly and slurred and bashed and trashed has come to be called swift boating.

So because in this case, you want to be sure you hook it up so you can bash Hillary, you say it is not swift boating because what. It was not by a group of 527 registered. It did not have an ad about her WAR SERVICE. It did not say she received medals and she didn't? OH hell how damn shitty can you people get.

[blm]

88. Actually, I think Clintons DO know exactly what swiftboating is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

And would never hesitate to endorse the tactic if they see a benefit for themselves attached to it.

[karynnj]

93. BLM, here is a video link to someone demonstrating how not to pile on

At the end of this clip speaking of the environment, Senator Kerry is asked about Bill Clinton's use of swiftboating. Unlike Senator Clinton, he does feel, when asked a question, that it is an opportunity to stab another Democrat in the back. Instead, he turns it into a solid endorsement for all Democrats.

http://www.kerryvision.net/2007/11/nbc_goes_green.html

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. Bill did not she had been swift-boated, so why spread falsehoods?

[KittyWampus]

6. he alluded to it when commenting on the debates. Why? There was no context for it.

[LanternWaste]

84. Alluded to it... Interpreted it that way.

Alluded to it... Interpreted it that way.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other I guess...

[RaleighNCDUer]

69. Obviously, you also have no idea what 'swiftboating' means. nt

[karynnj]

89. There was a solid implication there

Bill Clinton does not speak in random bursts of sentences.

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[KittyWampus]

9. Yes, I do. And there is NO reason for him to allude to swiftboating in the context of the debate

NONE>

go ahead and try to make it work.

You can't.

[MannyGoldstein]

34. There Was A Very Good Reason

He knew exactly what he was doing - Clinton is phenomenal at that game.

"Clinton's an unusually good liar. Unusually Good. Do you realize that?" - Bob Kerrey

[Bolo Boffin]

35. No, you don't. Bill wasn't attacking Democratic candidates at all.

This is the media spin.

Bill brought up the Swift Boat ads and other things, and then he said that the questioning by Russert was edging close to "cutesy land."

The point was, Russert makes all the Democratic candidates raise their hands, setting up a future Republican attack on the Democratic candidates, all of them.

The media understood very well what he was doing, attacking them, and they turned it into, he's saying the candidates swiftboated Hillary.

It's a completely ginned up controversy and Obama fell for it lock, stock, and barrel.

[silverojo]

64. What Bill meant by "cutesy land"

Is that he was pissed off about the show of hands question, because somebody dared to ask the candidates about illegal immigration. He may pretend he gives a damn about the poor (whether they're illegals or citizens), but his welfare DE-form is a disaster (and not even available to single people unless they're disabled!).

It never occurs to him or anyone else, that the Repukes would have nothing to attack the Dem candidates on, if they'd get it through their heads that the majority of the people want our borders secured, and illegal immigration brought under control.

[ClarkUSA]

78. Your candidate, Dodd, "fell for it" too. So did Edwards.

I doubt they're all wrong in strongly rejecting Bill Clinton's swiftboating implication.

Bill is no innocent. In anything.

[karynnj]

90. straw man alert - the op did not say who was doing the swiftboating

teh issue was whether anything about that debate or its aftermath was swiftboating. (Next Bill will claim that Edwards swiftboated her by saying he didn't like her jacket, making swiftboat mean offering criticism of HRD, even if mild or deserved.)

[AlCzervik]

4. i didn't hear what he said but maybe just made a bad comparison, i think Bill Clinton

knows what it's like to be attacked, don't you?

[cuke]

7. Here's what Bill really said

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

"And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam...


Why am I saying this?


"Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again. Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license. So, we then let the Republicans go ahead saying all the Democrats are against the rule of law.

The only time Bill referred to "Swift Boat" was in reference to the ads produced by a group called "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth"

He never said Hillary was being swiftboated. It's a republican lie that some DUers are happy to repeat

[KittyWampus]

11. One more time- using the word 'swiftboat' has no relevance to what happened.

NONE.

[cuke]

18. One more time - Clinton never said it does

NEVER

[KittyWampus]

22. Then why use the term? How was it relevant in regards to the debate as it happened?

[cuke]

32. Cant you read?

He pointed out how the repukes use simple answers to complex issues, and then used the Swift Boat as an example of what they do.

Bill NEVER said that the dems were swiftboating Hillary, but you won't admit your OP is wrong. You seem to think it's wrong for a dem to talk about how the repukes lie and misrepresent what dems have said.

It's very similar to what you're doing here. You are claiming Bill said something he never said. Instead of admitting your mistake, you're trying to distract by asking why he even brought it up, even though thats NOT what your OP is about

[KittyWampus]

39. You didn't even read my OP. I SAID Clinton doesn't know what Swiftboating means

and one more time-

the GOP using simple answers to complex issues has NOTHING TO DO WITH SWIFTBOATING as it happened to Kerry.

Kerry had a group invent an entire FICTION about him.

[cuke]

46. Once again - Clinton didn't say that Hillary was swiftboated

He said Kerry and Cleveland were swiftboated, and THEY WERE SWIFTBOATED

So where's the mistake?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

47. Did Bill ever say "swiftboating"? If not, how do we know he's ignorant as to its meaning?

[cuke]

50. Yes, he said Kerry and Cleland were swiftboated

and Bill is right about that. Here's the quote

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

"And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam...


Why am I saying this?


"Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again. Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license. So, we then let the Republicans go ahead saying all the Democrats are against the rule of law.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

56. No, he did not. The word "swiftboated" was not spoken, as your transcript supports

[cuke]

59. He didn't use the word "swiftboated".

You're being a bit petty. I'm not quoting Bill as using the word "swiftboating". I am paraphrasing him in order to avoid having to repost his comments over and over and over

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

65. I was calling BS on the OP. You were in the crossfire.

I am not willing to grant the OP the right to make stuff up.

I see no reason to defend a statement someone didn't make, even if it would have been defensible if he made it.

That's our only disagreement here.

[cuke]

73. Sorry bout that, and you're absolutely right

It's disgusting that DU allows such blatant lies about democrats and that we have to get all confused about it.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Coming Next...

"Y'all raise your hand if you're against torture, war, and disembowlin' the Constitution... so then we let the Republicans go ahead saying all Democrats are soft on terra..."

[silverojo]

66. Read my post, above

I know it's not about anybody swiftboating Hillary; I totally get what Bill was trying to say. My point is, he's an asshole for saying it. :evilgrin:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. Bills Actual Comments (transcript):

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

"And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam...

Why am I saying this?

"Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again. Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license. So, we then let the Republicans go ahead saying all the Democrats are against the rule of law.

"I think it's fine to discuss immigration. We should. I believe immigration needs to be discussed. And it's fine for Hillary and all the other Democrats to discuss Governor Spitzer's plan. But not in 30 seconds, yes, no, raise your hand. This is a complicated issue. This is a complicated issue.

"So do I hope you vote for my wife? You bet I do. It'd be good for America, and good for the world. But, more than that I came here to tell you today, don't you dare let them take this election away from you...Don't be diverted, don't be divided."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/11/text_of_bill_clintons_comments.php

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Thank You

Seems to me he's comparing he's comparing the questioning his wife to Swift Boat attack - I'm curious as to how people feel otherwisw.

[maddiejoan]

14. What Bill is saying --

--the circular firing squad that is our current Democratic candidates modus operanda will provide ample material for "swiftboating" by the Republicans,

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Sorry - I Believe We Have An Obligation To Go After Advocates Of Torture, War-For-Kicks, ...

outsourcing jobs, and generally sodomizing the Middle Class. We've had enough of this - we need to take back our party.

[maddiejoan]

40. I'm sorry

who are accusing of the above?

and who is this "We" you are talking about.

Last I checked I was a registered Democrat.

[MannyGoldstein]

43. Accusing Clinton, We = Democrats (nt)

[maddiejoan]

48. Clinton is a Torture advocate?

explain.

[MannyGoldstein]

54. Here -

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/26/2007-09-26_hillary_flipflops_contradicts_bill___her.html

Last October, Clinton told the Daily News: "If we're going to be preparing for the kind of improbable but possible eventuality, then it has to be done within the rule of law."

She said then the "ticking time bomb" scenario represents a narrow exception to her opposition to torture as morally wrong, ineffective and dangerous to American soldiers.

"In the event we were ever confronted with having to interrogate a detainee with knowledge of an imminent threat to millions of Americans, then the decision to depart from standard international practices must be made by the President, and the President must be held accountable," she said.

Since then, she's claimed that she's against torture in all cases. Which Clinton should we believe?

Also, her husband pioneered the outsourcing of torture - snatching people in one country and flying them to another country in order to be tortured. We can't blame Hillary for that - but if I were married to someone who started that, I'd divorce them in an instant.

[maddiejoan]

57. I don't live in your world.

I see more than just Black and White.

[cuke]

61. Good for you

MGs world is a very lonely place

[MannyGoldstein]

63. Some Things Are Shades Of Gray

But some are black and white.

We didn't feel the need to torture in WWII, when our people were getting killed by the thousands, and our prisoners tortured horribly by the enemy.

[maddiejoan]

70. No place in the quote--

--that YOU provided is Clinton advocating torture.

perhaps you only see in Black.

[MannyGoldstein]

81. Uh

She said then the "ticking time bomb" scenario represents a narrow exception to her opposition to torture as morally wrong, ineffective and dangerous to American soldiers.

What do you[/u think this line means?

[maddiejoan]

82. Uh

You just spat back the reporter's observation of what she said.

Here's her quote:

"In the event we were ever confronted with having to interrogate a detainee with knowledge of an imminent threat to millions of Americans, then the decision to depart from standard international practices must be made by the President, and the President must be held accountable," she said.

What part of that don't you get?

[MannyGoldstein]

83. That In No Way Disagrees With Her Statement That She's OK With Some Torture

The statement I provided spelled out the who, what, and when. Your quote deals with the how.

[KittyWampus]

25. you just proved my point because that is NOT what swiftboating means.

[maddiejoan]

37. Oh?

Is their a dictionary definition of "swiftboating"?

grow the fuck up.

[KittyWampus]

41. Read the post again. I said swiftboating as it happend to Kerry.

[cuke]

49. Read BC's quotes again

He says that Kerry and Cleveland were swiftboated, and HE IS RIGHT

[karynnj]

91. No it might provide some ammunition to use against them

but for swiftboating you don't need real facts, issues or positions - you make them up. Senator Kerry did not fake getting medals.

[Eric J in MN]

17. Or he's comparing the media coverage he was expecting after the debate...

...to pundits saying Al Gore is too stiff.

[KittyWampus]

24. That is NOT swiftboating. Hence you prove my point. He doesn't know what the word means

[Eric J in MN]

31. Bill Clinton didn't say that Hillary Clinton was swiftboated.

I don't know exactly what he meant, but he seems to be saying that he's expecting dubious attacks on her which simplify immigration issues.

[KittyWampus]

10. Thanks for posting it. Swiftboating has NO MEANINGFUL RELEVANCE in context.

None.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. The context is how low and dishonest republicans are. What could be more relevant?

[KittyWampus]

19. What does the debate AS IT HAPPENED have to do with swiftboating? How can Hillary's actual words

and performance be used to 'Swiftboat' her?

Again, there was absolutely no meaningful relevance for that term in the context Clinton used it.

And you didn't answer the question.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

36. He never said anyone had swiftboated Hillary. (I'm voting for Biden, BTW, but there's

no reason to just make stuff up.)

[cuke]

20. Some DUers don't care about that

It's more important to point out how dishonest Bill Clinton was, even though he wasn't

[KittyWampus]

33. Where did I say he was dishonest? I didn't. I said he must not know what the word means

[cuke]

42. You've said a lot of things, all of them wrong

He used it to describe what was done to Kerry and Cleveland. They *WERE* Swiftboated, so what was wrong?

[silverojo]

71. I have two problems with what Bill said:

Clinton: "I believe immigration needs to be discussed. And it's fine for Hillary and all the other Democrats to discuss Governor Spitzer's plan. But not in 30 seconds, yes, no, raise your hand. This is a complicated issue."

There have been show-of-hands questions at all the debates. So why is he all bent out of shape about this one? Because he knows the majority of Americans do not agree with Hillary on this issue. He knows it's going to bite her in the butt in the GE, (if she wins the primary, that is) so he's trying to make a martyr out of her before it happens.

It's a classic Bill Clinton solution to f*cking up royally: Go on the offensive. But it's not going to work this time. It's not just a matter of getting a BJ from an intern; people ultimately realized it was a non-issue because it didn't affect them personally. Illegal immigration DOES affect them personally.

But I digress....

Here's the truly awful part that people seem to be missing. Read this quote again:

"When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam...

Why am I saying this?

Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again."

OK, so he's saying that the end of the last debate was getting into "cutesy land". I'll go along with that.

But NOT with the word "again". That one word is very telling. It means that he's referring to swiftboating and the horrible smear campaign against Max Cleland as "cutesy land". And the debate was "cutesy land again".

What happened to Max Cleland was not cutesy land, Bill. It was a revolting, calculated, evil smear campaign against a true American hero who is disabled. There's a difference. :grr: :mad:

[ecstatic]

13. In fairness, the term has changed meaning

several times actually.

The Swift Boat Sailors Association is a veteran's organization created by and for the personnel who manned or supported U.S. Navy PCFs (Patrol Craft Fast or Swift Boats) assigned to Coastal Squadron One during the United States involvement in Vietnam between 1965 and 1973.

Now it pretty much refers to someone being unfairly attacked, piled on.

[MADem]

16. I heard Clinton's comments, and your subject line is UNTRUE.

Unfortunately, that probably won't stop this thread from growing, and growing, and growing...never mind facts, BS is so much more fun!

He didn't say the Senator was "swiftboated." He said KERRY was. And he decried the continued, repetitive media assaults against candidates that are based on falsehoods.

Gee, guess it happens in other places, too!!!

[cuke]

23. The OP still thinks it's OP was correct

The OP is continuing to argue that the debate had nothing to do with SwiftBoating, so Bill was wrong to say it did, even though he didn't say it

[KittyWampus]

30. Did he bring up the term? Yes. Was it relevant? NO. So he must not know what it means

[cuke]

51. He said that Kerry and Cleland were swiftboated, and he is right about that

Yes, it's relevant to the point that repukes distort what dems have said (the same way you're distorting what Bill said)

[MADem]

58. It's a hackle-raiser, I guess. Oblique, but that's the purpose. It's still not true, though.

I find this kind of shit ugly when the GOP does it, but sad and disappointing when Democrats do it.

And I'm not a Clinton 'supporter.' Not an enemy, either, just haven't picked a candidate yet.

This sort of behavior is unseemly and a bit pathetic. It reflects poorly on the individual who perpetuates the falsehood.

[cuke]

62. You're absolutely right

what bothers me is that the admin allows this.

[KittyWampus]

27. One more time. YES Kerry was 'swiftboated'. And that had NO RELEVANCE to the debate.

[cuke]

38. One more time - CLinton said that Kerry was swiftboated, NOT Hillary

He used the SBVT's as an EXAMPLE of how the repukes misrepresent dems

[MADem]

53. The President was going after RUSSERT. If you actually listened to what the man said, you would see

that.

But no, more fun to take the man out of context. Your opening subject line is NOT TRUE.

[bfantana]

75. Shouldn't Russert "be shot" as suggested by Mark Penn's colleagues

Because having a vendetta against Russert will only hurt Hillary in the long run and short-term. Does Bill really want to piss off Russert and MSNBC/NBC???

It seems like a stupid move, but maybe its a pre-emptive strike against future media trouble-makers like olberman, cooper, wolf, gibson, and couric. Don't pester Hillary or he'll be worse on them.

[MADem]

76. Frankly, I think he should be shot, and replaced by David Gregory.

With Russert, it isn't just about Clinton. I don't know or care about your agenda with regard to the Senator, but to suggest that is just total bullshit.

Russert has a body of work over the last decade or more that is his indictment, and the vast majority of that body of work has NOTHING to do with Senator Clinton. He did, though, have an unhealthy obsession with the penis of her husband, though.


That swipe at Kucinich with the stupid UFO question was pretty fucking shitty, if you ask me--and I am not a terrible FAN of Kucinich, either because while I like some of his views, I think he's way too utopian and he's too far to the left with that Department of Peace stuff. The point though, is that Kucinich gets damned few opportunities to speak, because it is a crowded field and he's not going to get elected, and on this rare opportunity that he got, Russert looked down his nose, and wiped his ass on the guy.

Your last sentence was, well, childish. I can't be bothered to even comment on stuff like that.

[bfantana]

79. If Hillary's campaign wants to put out Death Threats to NBC

then that is their choice. I don't think its smart. Its about media manipulation and Bill is trying to prevent future media attacks, just as much as the Right Wing media is bent on making them.

You just can't trust the media these days.

[MADem]

80. You enjoy your stay, now.... nt

[illinoisprogressive]

26. Cryingshame, don't you know spinning is everyday speech for Clintons

[progressivebydesign]

28. Am I the only reasonable person on here?

I read his quote. It's pretty self-explanatory, but I suppose if most people on this thread are viewing through a lens of support or hatred for Hillary Clinton, then you'd purposely be obtuse as to his meaning.

What he meant... He was simply talking about the election and what happened in the past, and how ugly it's going to get again. When voters focus on the TRIVIAL BULLSHIT, instead of the real issues of who would make the best candidate. He also said that the 'raise your hand if you're against immigration' tone of the debate was wrong -- and reduces things, once again, to focusing on stupid little soundbites, not substance.

How in the world some people see this as a reason to attack Bill Clinton and HIllary is beyond me.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

44. You're right. Reading comprehension is the first casualty of primary season

For the millionth time, here's the transcript of what Bill C actually said:

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

"And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam...

Why am I saying this?

"Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again. Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license. So, we then let the Republicans go ahead saying all the Democrats are against the rule of law.

"I think it's fine to discuss immigration. We should. I believe immigration needs to be discussed. And it's fine for Hillary and all the other Democrats to discuss Governor Spitzer's plan. But not in 30 seconds, yes, no, raise your hand. This is a complicated issue. This is a complicated issue.

"So do I hope you vote for my wife? You bet I do. It'd be good for America, and good for the world. But, more than that I came here to tell you today, don't you dare let them take this election away from you...Don't be diverted, don't be divided."

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/11/text_of_bill_clintons_comments.php

[ecstatic]

67. Thanks for posting... I was going by DU OP subject lines

and thought the guy actually said Hillary was swiftboated. :crazy: Reading the actual articles is now ESSENTIAL on this site. LOL.

[MADem]

55. No, you aren't. I'm an UNDECIDED VOTER, and I can smell the bullshit from here. NT

[durrrty libby]

29. It's a crying shame that you are clearly clueless

[sandnsea]

45. 8 more years of this shit

8 more years. I do not know why this party wants to put the country through this.

[cuke]

52. Yes, let's blame the Clintons for cryshame's swiftboating

then we can blame the Clinton's for decades of repuke hate speech

[Cleita]

60. Doesn't swiftboating have the same meaning as

a vast right wing conspiracy? Just saying.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

68. I am not a Hillary Clinton fan

but I think the OP is clutching at straws in her/his interpretation of what occurred. I don't see in what Bill Clinton said was so offensive.

[BenDavid]

72. Goodness folks. I was under the strong impression

there were many in here that come see something and watch the media spin what was said. Just like tonight on Anderson Cooper. He played parts of the speech Clinton gave about the swiftboating. Anderson left out the most important part of that speech.There was no calling what happened to HRC anything akin to swiftboating. I will post it here and you decide what Bill was referring too.

"We listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff," Clinton said. "And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous swift boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam."

"Why am I saying this? Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again," Clinton said. "Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license. So, we then let the Republicans go ahead saying all the Democrats are against the rule of law."

Do you see who this was directed too? If you understand what you read and not what someone tells you then you can see it is THE REPUBLICANS that Bill is talking about using some of what is going on in swiftboating ads.....Republicans dear friends.....


Clinton said the hand-raising exercise made a “cartoon” out of a complex issue and created the kind of footage Republicans could use in the general election to create an attack ad against the Democratic nominee — similar to the one Republicans made in the last election that claimed Democrat John Kerry, despite his service in Vietnam, was less patriotic than Republican George Bush, who did not serve in Vietnam.

So Clinton never spoke ill of his wife’s rivals, he said, and the Las Vegas Journal-Review’s account of his speech backs him up. And that means Obama’s comment Tuesday that he was “stunned” at Bill Clinton’s alleged criticism and Sen. Chris Dodd’s comment Tuesday calling Bill Clinton’s alleged criticism “outrageous,” were all based on something Clinton never said.

“I want us to keep our party together,” Clinton said. “I want us to win in November.”




Help me L-rd

Ben David

[MADem]

77. Oh, stop making sense!!!!

It ruins the fun for the reading-challenged and comprehension-impaired!

:hi:

[LanternWaste]

85. And Al Gore invented the internet....

And Al Gore invented the internet.... :eyes:

[redqueen]

86. And Dennis Kucinich bankrupted the city of Cleveland...

and Obama hates old people...

and Edwards is a phony...

and and and

*sigh*

[LanternWaste]

87. it's Wabbit Season!

Serious Looney Tunes going on these days in GD and GD-P. I'd been biting my tongue til last month, but the bite marks started bleeding so I... well, decided that it's Wabbit Season!

But you're right-- and I'll see your *sigh* and raise you an exasperated throat-clearing. ;)

[MethuenProgressive]

92. OP is complete fiction - uninformed, or intentionally misleading?

Interesting how these made-up things get posted and reposted and reposted...

[Name removed]

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