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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:30 PM
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Just don't ask Edwards about those foreclosures
Just don't ask Edwards about those foreclosures tied to Fortress Investments: He told a Nevada Public Radio interviewer that such questions amount to a "personal attack." "This, by the way, is not on the issues. This is a personal attack," Edwards said. "These questions are all being planted by somebody. I'm through -- I've said enough about that. What's your next question?" http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/Story?id=3105288&page=2


Nice spin John!
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:38 PM
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1. It is great to know that John Edwards record does not matter
We all can run for president now.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:28 PM
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2. As if he's personally responsible for anyone who didn't
manage their financial affairs properly and ended up in foreclosure.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:30 PM
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3. He said he would help them personally. nt
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:31 PM
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4. No he said he would help New Orleans foreclosures.
The Iowa people can fend for themselves.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:48 PM
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9. my bad. nt
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:34 PM
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5. He made at least $500,000 with the company.
Company employees have also been his biggest fundraising source from a single company to the tune of $190K.

This was a company that engaged in predatory lending.

And John Edwards and his campaign have benefited from his relationship with them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:40 PM
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6. and this is yet another thing that keeps me from
supporting him. Was it really neccessary for him to associate himself with such a revolting business? Obviously not.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:43 PM
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7. Of course not,
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 02:43 PM by seasonedblue
but it was an easy way to make big money for part time work. He not only was paid for his consultation but he also made millions by investing with them.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:46 PM
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8. No kidding?
I thought he was doing it to help him learn more about poverty.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:54 PM
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10. There's suckers everywhere, right.
:+
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:01 PM
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17. If he hadn't, you would criticize him for having no business
experience, no understanding of finance.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:53 PM
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28. don't be ridiculous.
Sorry, I don't have any use for someone who hooked up with a hedge fund, and I think it's sad to see anyone defend it.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:03 PM
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18. The company did NOT engage in predatory lending
That's gross hyperbole to describe a company who invested in a couple of B-Paper lending institutions.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:08 PM
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21. Invested in? They owned those b-paper lending institutions.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:09 PM
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11. Awe....come on!
John Edwards is JFK, RFK, MLK, and FDR all rolled into one! Why can't you see that? :sarcasm:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:19 PM
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12. John Edwards is eerily starting to sound like his supporters who
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 03:32 PM by FrenchieCat
calls every issue a smear.

More on Edwards and his "Foreclosure" problem:
DesMoines Register 9/27/07
http://www.altoonaherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/NEWS09/709270393

(edited to fix link)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:26 PM
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13. Frenchie, the link's broken
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:31 PM
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14. Here.....
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:50 PM
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15. Oh, for fuck's sake
Did he say that? Unreal.
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democratsin08 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:59 PM
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16. i need some money
please send me a check, john
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:05 PM
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19. Please do ask Edwards about the foreclosures. Here is his response.
A Rising Tide of Risky and Predatory Mortgages

Today, John Edwards called for strong national legislation to regulate mortgage abuses and prohibit predatory homelending, based on North Carolina's successful law. He proposed immediate steps to help homeowners escape predatory and other unaffordable mortgages, including letting families shed excessive home debt through bankruptcy and creating a Home Rescue Fund to help struggling homeowners renegotiate or refinance their mortgages. Finally, he called for federal regulators, lenders, and investors to take responsibility and work together to help homeowners avoid foreclosure.

Increasing Use of Risky Mortgages: In recent years, the housing market has increasingly relied on riskier mortgages. Subprime mortgages carry higher interest rates and upfront fees than traditional mortgages, often costing families thousands of dollars more. While they are a valuable alternative for families with poor credit, as many as half of subprime borrowers are qualified for cheaper conventional loans. Other "exotic" mortgages — with "teaser" rates, no downpayments, or interest-only payments — are often made without regard to the ability to repay. Together, subprime and exotic mortgages are now 40 percent of new home loans.


Minorities and Rural Communities Are Targeted for Predatory Lending: Predatory mortgages carry abusive terms that deceive and exploit borrowers, such as excessive and hidden fees, large prepayment penalties, mandatory arbitration clauses, unnecessary insurance products, and broker "kickbacks" for steering borrowers into more expensive loans. Predatory terms are more common among subprime loans. Black and Hispanic borrowers are three times more likely to receive subprime loans than white borrowers with similar credit scores. Rural subprime borrowers were more likely to take out a mortgage with a prepayment penalty in 2002.
Protecting Homeownership and Fighting Predatory Mortgages

The Result Is Millions of Foreclosures: Many recent mortgages carry low introductory rates that are expected to jump as much as 30 percent in the coming months. Falling home prices have made it harder to refinance. As a result, Lehman Brothers predicts that 30 percent of subprime loans made in 2005 will eventually default. The Center for Responsible Lending recently concluded that — because most subprime loans are refinanced loans, not new home loans, and yet many end in foreclosure — subprime lending has actually reduced homeownership.

* Enact a Strong National Law against Predatory Mortgages: As president, Edwards will pass a strong national law to prohibit the worst abuses in the mortgage market: loan flipping, mandatory arbitration clauses, balloon loans, steep prepayment penalties, and other excessive fees. It would regulate all lenders, including non-bank finance companies, and strengthen underwriting standards to ensure that borrowers receive affordable loans suited to their means. Because abusive practices among some brokers are part of the problem, Edwards will ban broker kickbacks (yield-spread premiums) and work with states to establish uniform broker licensing standards and a national database for disciplinary infractions.
* Rewrite Certain Abusive Mortgages in Bankruptcy to Let Families Keep Their Homes: Many victims of predatory lending owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. These "underwater" mortgages are created by excessive interest charges or falling home values. Even if they declare bankruptcy, they must pay off their inflated mortgages in full or else lose their homes. As president, Edwards will let homeowners shed excessive mortgage debt in bankruptcy. They will be able to keep their homes by paying off their full market values and get new loans terms set by the courts. For example, a family owing $120,000 on a home worth $100,000 could cut its mortgage to $100,000, with the remaining $20,000 treated like other unsecured debt in bankruptcy. The relief would be available only once and at the discretion of the bankruptcy judge.
* Rescue Homeowners at Risk of Foreclosure: Many foreclosures can be avoided by timely help, such as renegotiating loan terms, finding a new lender, or catching up with past payments. Preventing foreclosures can also prevent vicious cycles that can bring down whole neighborhoods. Edwards proposed a national Home Rescue Fund to help prevent foreclosure. The Fund would work through local non-profits, government agencies, and community financial institutions. If necessary, the Federal Housing Administration, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac could work with community lenders to create affordable refinancing alternatives for these families.
* Hold Lenders and Investors Accountable: Edwards commends the FDIC for summoning lenders and Wall Street investors to a meeting discussing their role in the crisis. However, these conversations will only succeed if lenders and Wall Street give regulators specific commitments to mitigate foreclosures, such as waiving prepayment penalties, restructuring loan terms, and forgiving of back payments.

http://johnedwards.com/issues/predatory-mortgages/

John Edwards has criticized hedge fund managers' special tax breaks. I would be interested in seeing where other candidates actually stand on this issue. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to post this.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:06 PM
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20. Vote for Dennis Kucinich!
:bounce:
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:09 PM
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22. The reason its a personal attack is that the foreclosures
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 06:10 PM by Heaven and Earth
are part of a phenomena that's much larger than John Edwards, so asking him about it as though he was personally responsible for the phenomena is, in fact, an attack.

You can read his plan to deal with the problem in JDPriestly's post above.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:12 PM
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23. I see. So asking him about things a company he worked for did is a personal attack.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 06:12 PM by rinsd
We could use you on the Hillary team, my friend. :evilgrin:
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:21 PM
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24. Way to parse what I've written incorrectly.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 06:22 PM by Heaven and Earth
Clearly you can ask how he plans to deal with the phenomena, but acting like they only foreclosed because he was working there, or that he personally went to these people's houses and threw them out...that's the attack.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:35 PM
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26. I understand...I was just teasing a bit.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:37 PM
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27. Oh, alright then.
:hi:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:28 PM
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25. He must have felt responsible enough to
insist that he'd financially help those who had foreclosures in New Orleans. But not Iowa.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:14 PM
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29. More interesting might be the all the Fortress Funds that were
established in the Cayman Islands and the tax benefits. The month after Fortress went public, the first fund of funds company to do so, is when Edwards received the campaign contributions from employees.

:shrug:
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:36 PM
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30. LOL maybe he'll sue someone for asking tough questions.
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