Rachel Maddow just said much of the criticism of Hillary is sexist

[ruggerson]

On Dan Abrams' show.

Oh, and there was a Republican mouthpiece on who said no, it's not been sexist at all.

As usual, Rachel Maddow is right on target.

I'm glad I agree with her and not the Republican shill.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Rachel Maddow happens to be full of shit on this one

[JeffR]

2. Agreed.

[babylonsister]

3. Amen! Even Clinton said it wasn''t sexist, after she insinuated it was.

:yoiks:

[ruggerson]

4. Delete

sorry, misread it.

[babylonsister]

7. I wouldn't know; I don't watch or listen to Coulter. Coulter who? nt

[ruggerson]

So now you're using a Republican meme that trashed Kerry

to trash Sen. Clinton?

Great going there.

[babylonsister]

27. No, actually I got it from The Nation, but nice try:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=248003

After her poor performance in Tuesday's debate, Clinton's camp accused Obama and John Edwards of engaging in the "politics of pile-on."

What that didn't stick either, they concocted a new rationale: her opponents were sexist pigs! Clinton advisors told the AP there is a "a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her."

Obviously Hillary has endured a lot of unfair criticism in her day, much of which was sexist, especially coming from the right-wing. But her opponents in Tuesday's debate were criticizing her largely about policy issues--Iran, Social Security, immigration--and her ability to fight for change and bring the country together. Any frontrunner should expect such treatment--man or woman, black or white.

[ruggerson]

33. I agree with the Nation

but not with your word construct which mimics "Kerry was for the war before he was against it."

Maddow was not specifically referring to the debate, but to the general coverage/criticism of Clinton by the media.

[baldguy]

6. When was the last time a male presidential candidate

was criticized for exposing his cleavage?

[BeyondGeography]

10. I dunno, when was the last time a male candidate was poked fun at for being bald?

And Bill Richardson's double chin wants to have a word with you.

[MissDeeds]

12. Same argument could be made

for * exposing his cod piece in the Mission Accomplished photo op.
That got lots of (ahem) coverage.

[avrdream]

45. Even though he probably didn't have much cod to cover under there!

[Yael]

15. I'm sorry, but last I checked

SHE IS 60 YEARS OLD, not a teenage stripper.

*sigh*

[Lucinda]

18. So?

[aquart]

29. Sigh.

[Captain Hilts]

53. ...or being ambitious or aggressive? Obama said she's determined to win. Boo hoo! nt

[Botany]

11. I loves me some Maddow

but she is way off base on this one.

[BootinUp]

54. I didn't see it, but I respect her ability

to analyze politics. I will have to catch the replay.

[spooky3]

55. here's a link to the video

http://tinyurl.com/2flmdg

see lower right hand corner

[BootinUp]

56. She was talking about the media

not the debate.

[Capn Sunshine]

5. Thats aspect is really undeniable

But it's just her campaign's tendency to lump ALL criticism of her into this convenient categorization. I have a problem with that.

Imagine if Obama said all criticism of him was based in racism.

[ruggerson]

8. That I agree with

n/t

[Yael]

9. And much of it may be.

Just not mine. I am not in favor of her corporatism.

:hi:

[hfojvt]

13. Maddow is probably right

since 'much' of the criticism is coming from Republicans.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. And the anti-Clintonites here on DU. nt

[hfojvt]

48. you think Rachel reads DU?

Hello Ms. Maddow :hi:

Is there any misogyny here?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt

[journalist3072]

14. I definitely think there is some sexism involved in the criticism

For example, John Edwards commenting during one of the debates that he didn't like the outfit she had on.

All the talk about her so-called "cackle."

[ruggerson]

16. those were two of the examples Maddow referred to

n/t

[BeyondGeography]

46. That is beyond weak

The coat joke was just for laughs. It was in response to a lame "what do you admire about the person next to you and what do you dislike" question. Edwards said something nice and then he said, "I'm not sure about that coat." Hillary actually thought it was funny at the time. She CACKLED!

And, as for CackleGate, all that criticism did her a favor. Notice how she doesn't laugh anymore at inappropriate moments? In fact, now she doesn't laugh at all. I mean, the laugh is GONE! Personally, I miss it; when it's spontaneous, it's one hell of an appealing laugh, a little on the goofy side, but full-bodied and reflective of someone with a sense of humor who likes to laugh. Problem on that particular Sunday was she laughed every time she was asked a question she didn't quite like or heard a comment that she thought was bullshit, and much of it looked and sounded forced. It added up to about five or six belly laughs in response to not-so-funny remarks, which made her look hopelessly contrived. Even many of her supporters were cringing.

[ruggerson]

47. I think the "cackle" is as stupid and offensive as the Repub

"effeminate" meme about Edwards.

All this shit needs to be called out.

[K8-EEE]

17. Yep!! Look at all the times they've said "you just hate Bush!"

GWB and his people have done more damn whining and nobody ever says, "it's because he's a man!"

He's NEVER made to take responsibility for anything, NEVER!!! He say shit like he doesn't care about or think about OBL and everyone's all "oh you know what he meant."

But they're CONSTANTLY saying everyones being mean and piling on to Bush with the TOTALLY WELL DESERVED criticisms, and nobody ever says "HE'S PLAYING THE MAN CARD!"

[spooky3]

19. I thought she said some of the MEDIA treatment was sexist

and gave some of the examples people have seen here. And there is plenty of other evidence on Mediamatters.org. If I am recalling correctly, Maddow did NOT say that the other candidates' criticism of Clinton was sexist.

[ruggerson]

24. does the OP

say the "other candidate's?" I'm referring to the media. I'll change the title if you think it's too vague.

[spooky3]

32. Given the replies to your OP, don't you think people are

interpreting it as someone other than the media?

They seem to be saying

--that's not the basis of THEIR criticism
--that's not the basis of VOTERS' criticism
--the other candidates didn't pile on, etc.

Your OP referred to "much of the criticism" and didn't label it as media criticism.

[ruggerson]

35. No, I think they've got blinders on

the "cackling" issue and the concern with how she dresses and appears, amongst many other examples, have been curtly dismissed as not being sexist in many recent, myriad threads on this. Those had nothing to do with other candidate's criticisms.

[spooky3]

38. I think when you say "much of the criticism"

that's misstating what Maddow said, but I could be wrong about that.

I completely agree with you and with her about sexism in the media coverage and that there is likely sexism in other places as well - and I'll leave it there. My quibble is just with stating what Maddow said accurately. And it's leading some fans of hers possibly to misunderstand what she said.

[ruggerson]

41. I watched the entire interview

and characterized it correctly. And Maddow is no great Hillary fan. Although here, for expressing those sentiments, she would have vitriolic trolls calling her a "hillbot."

[spooky3]

51. Here's a link to the page containing the video:

http://tinyurl.com/2flmdg

see lower right hand corner

[aquart]

20. Oh, how they twist and turn and call it something else. Anything else.

Especially here on DU. The worst thing about liberals is our refusal to believe bigotry exists in us. It does. Much, perhaps most, of the irrational, visceral, demented hatred of Hillary Clinton is sexism. And the worst spewers here are women. Sad, ain't it?

[ruggerson]

31. It's depressing, actually

and the visceral hatred with which they deny the sexism is enough to make you want to puke.

[aquart]

49. They never notice that it's a wee bit disproportionate .

[momto3]

21. I have to disagree.

I think many voters have legitimate complaints about Hillary's stances. That being said, I think more sexist comments actually come from the repug side when it comes to Hillary.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

23. As you well know, ruggerson, "all the gays are for Clinton"

[ruggerson]

26. I know

it's all a politically correct conspiracy.

[mmonk]

25. Interesting. Calling us sexists or republicans in a backhanded way.

Sorry, but Maddow is the one who made a sexist statement. I'll die a democrat.

[ruggerson]

28. Who's "us"

people who loathe Hillary Clinton?

[mmonk]

34. You didn't use the word loathe, you said criticize.

I criticize candidates that talk around issues, especially in these times.

[ruggerson]

37. There's plenty to criticize her for

talking her way around various issues not being the least of it.

But, much of the criticism has been virulently personal and sexist.

[mmonk]

39. By whom?

Republicans I can see as it being those things but which democratic candidates do you see in that category?

[Kolesar]

30. Most of *our* criticism of Hillary is peace-activ-ist

[ruggerson]

44. If that's what *yours* is (singular)

then it's legitimate. One can have a credible debate when the premise is grounded in a real policy critique.

[Name removed]

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[ruggerson]

40. i don't like bigotry

whether it's coming from a republican or from someone who, blindly, can only detect and protest it when it's directed at them.

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[ruggerson]

43. Keep on spewin'

coming from someone who professes to fight against prejudice, it's fascinating that your hatred of this particular woman leads you to mischaracterize people and defend the indefensible. Try to think about what and whom you're really angry with.

[IndianaGreen]

50. No, that's not what she said. She did agree that it was bad that Hilbots were using the gender card

such as Geraldine Ferraro and Eleanor Smeal.

[JDPriestly]

52. Actually, much of my criticism of Hillary has to do with Bill Clinton

and the mistakes made during his administration. So, I think Rachel Maddow is wrong.

[BootinUp]

57. She was directing that comment at the media

not the debate.

[elizm]

58. Listen to Rachel every day. LOVE her. But she is wrong.

And I am a female.

[Bucky]

59. Sadly, she's right. For the record, MY criticism of Clinton isn't sexist.

But most of the noise coming from the right is rooted in the offense of a woman president.