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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:59 PM
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Pelosi: Hillary Camp Playing The Gender Card
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/pelosi_hillary_camp_playing_the_gender_card.php

Pelosi: Hillary Camp Playing The Gender Card
By Eric Kleefeld - November 5, 2007, 5:20PM

Here's another voice in the debate about whether the Hillary Clinton campaign has been playing the gender card. Nancy Pelosi, the first female Speaker of the House, told ABC News that she thinks the Hillary campaign is in fact doing it.

"I think the campaign is trying to take advantage of another — probably people who didn't even watch the debate, to say, 'Oh, they were really rude,' or something like that, and that has some salience," Pelosi said. "You know, every vote counts."
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:07 PM
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1. Ya know, Nancy, I wish you would play the Impeachment Card.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:50 PM
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13. Hear.Hear!!
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:45 AM
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17. Or the Resignation Card
I'd take either.


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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:25 AM
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18. I guess then she won't play the gender card when we complain about impeachment then?...
At least we have her boxed into that corner now with these statements. She can no longer say that we're going after her for doing impeachment because of her sex. And I have to give her credit for not doing that up to this point. Though that's not much credit in the big picture, when ultimately impeachment is THE action this congress needs to do ASAP!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:07 PM
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2. The headline isn't backed up by the Pelosi quote.
We need more context. Pelosi could be talking about the way the commentators led the others into piling on the leading candidate. Pelosi, in this quote, didn't say anything about gender, she said something about being rude.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:17 PM
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4. Here's more from an imbedded link in the OP:

Pelosi: Clinton Camp Played Gender Card
Nation's First Female Speaker Says Perception of 'All-Boys' Club' May Be Exploited


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3821689&page=1

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, R-Calif., said Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., hasn't been treated differently because she's the only woman in the presidential race, but added that her campaign appears to have been trying to exploit that perception in the wake of last week's Democratic debate.

Pelosi, the nation's first female House speaker, told ABCNEWS.com in an interview that she didn't agree with observers who thought Clinton was drawing particular heat because she's a woman.

"{Sen. Clinton} said it best: They're 'piling on' -- or whatever the words were -- 'because I'm the front-runner.' That's why they're piling on," said Pelosi. "If she was in third place, they wouldn't say, 'Let's go attack a woman.'"

Perception Matters

But in distributing a Web video splicing together her opponents' attacks her campaign appears to be exploiting perceptions of Clinton facing down a field of aggressive male challengers, Pelosi said.

"I think the campaign is trying to take advantage of another -- probably people who didn't even watch the debate, to say, 'Oh, they were really rude,' or something like that, and that has some salience," said Pelosi, who has said she does not plan to endorse a candidate in the Democratic primary. "You know, every vote counts." Last Tuesday's debate in Philadelphia has set off a wide debate over the role of gender in the presidential race.

more...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:44 PM
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12. Thanks. But I still can't tell how much of what is written is the reporter's
speculation about what Pelosi meant, or what she actually said. For example, the writer says that Pelosi:

"added that her campaign appears to have been trying to exploit that perception in the wake of last week's Democratic debate." Did Pelosi actually say that, or is that what the reporter inferred because of what Pelosi did say:

"{Sen. Clinton} said it best: They're 'piling on' -- or whatever the words were -- 'because I'm the front-runner.' That's why they're piling on," said Pelosi. "If she was in third place, they wouldn't say, 'Let's go attack a woman.'"
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:15 PM
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3. Are you series? Pelosi has a lot of nerve speaking out against a running candidate
Wow! Meanwhile, she's bringing all Bush's shit to the floor while forcing people like Kucinich to stay silent. WTF!?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:22 PM
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5. I just said Pelosi would not do what Hillary's campaign is doing. cool.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:26 PM
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6. "They were really rude" = "playing the gender card?"
What was it when Howard Dean was the frontrunner, and he complained about being attacked??
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:29 PM
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7. I guess if a person agrees with what you want to hear their ok
on that subject. For about the last seven or eights months Pelosi has been called every name under the sun, now she just happens to mention something about a person people are jealous of, because she is beating the shit out of their canidate, and all of a sudden out of the blue....GOLLY GOLLY GEE DOUBLE WHIZ....SHE IS SPEAKING THE GOSPEL TRUTH...HA HA AH
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:30 PM
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8. By your post #4 its clear she is talking about the pile on not the gender card.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:32 PM
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9. Right, but the "common wisdom" now, in the media and elsewhere, is all about gender.
It's amazing how this has caught on. It's gone further -- and faster -- than "Al Gore said he invented the internet." Amazing.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:35 PM
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10. That's fine with me because the "common wisdom" has Obama & Edwards scared.
The day after the debate Obama submitted an oped detailing his work on domestic violence prevention.

3 days after the debate, Edwards launches his Promise to American Women campaign headed by his wife.

Coincidence?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:39 PM
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11. I'm glad to see any and all of them addressing "women's issues"
And I'm sure they're safe from accusations about "gender cards." :crazy:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:21 AM
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14. Unfortunately, Pelosi is also saying it's just politics, "You know every vote counts."
We have the "politics of personal destruction" and now the politics of "gender pandering." Is this the best we can do?
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:25 AM
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15. I have no problem with Clinton using that-nt
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:39 AM
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16. Perhaps the Goddess of Peace can pledge to keep the gender card off the table
Clinton: “I have said it before and I will say it again: Playing the gender card is off the table. However, showing a little cleavage from time to time may still be considered at appropriate times, especially during hot flashes.”
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