Hillary Clinton Gender-Based Poll.

[calteacherguy]

A poster here on DU recently quipped regading those who do not support Hilllary Clinton for the nomination:

"Most of the time it's males. Hillary threatens their masculinity."

I'm trying to find out if this poster is correct....

[Sandaasu]

1. male/do not support/gay

Do I count? :P My masculinity certainly isn't threated by her.

[AndyTiedye]

2. Looks Like You're Getting More Women Who Do Not Support HRC

…which would shoot that theory out of the water.

Though even if you got more men, that says nothing about why those men would prefer someone else.

It seems that some HRC supporters want to have it both ways.

They come out with stuff like this, yet when we call them on the real reason that many of us don't support Hillary Clinton — the war(s) — they say that she has to take very hawkish positions to compensate for being a woman!

Cough.

[DemBones DemBones]

3. Yes, next it will be "Women don't support Hillary because

they're jealous of her."

Why do people of both sexes and all ages not support HRC?

"It's the positions, stupid."

[durrrty libby]

17. It's only people on DU. They do not represent the average American.

Everyone knows that

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[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. Yeah, they're people who actually know the issues. nt

[DemBones DemBones]

67. Good point! As I said in another Hillary thread,

I'd love to have a woman president, but not this woman.

"It's the issues, stupid."

(That's a reference to Carville/Begala slogan for Bill C.'s campaign, for those younger DUers who may not remember. I'm not calling anyone stupid.)

[MessiahRp]

4. It's not my masculinity that I feel she threatens

It's my sense of reason and common sense.

Common sense dictates that Universal Health Care cannot be controlled by greedy HMOs yet she fails to understand such.

Common sense dictates that we pull out of Iraq and not engage in war with Iran, yet she makes foolish votes to ramp up the rhetoric and drumbeat of war towards Iran.

Common Sense says that at a time when poverty is growing rapidly and a large portion of high paying jobs are being exported due to one sided free trade agreements that instead of continuing with such a policy and forcing all those employed to take a job or two that pays half or less than their previous one did, that we eliminate or seriously alter these agreements.

Hillary has the big name, the big donors and the media/corporations behind her.

Not supporting her has NOTHING to do with Gender and everything to do with what and whom she supports.

Rp

[Froward69]

5. My intelligence and patriotism

is threatened. not my Manhood.

[More Than A Feeling]

6. Don't you have to care about masculinity before someone can threaten it?

:shrug:

[FREEWILL56]

7. Wow this is blowing all of the little theories hillary supporters

have been saying right out of the window.

[durrrty libby]

16. Nah, it doesn't blow the"little theories" at all. People are liars. Plain and simple

[LWolf]

19. Are you calling me a liar?

That's a rather "durrrty" way to avoid the results, isn't it?

I'm a female. I don't now, and have never, and never will, support HRC.

[durrrty libby]

23. People lie on polls

Look how many times someone starts a thread with

"DU this poll" Spreading BS and skewing polls is a hobby on the internets


"and never will, support HRC." It just doesn't get more pathetic than that. The fact

that so-called dems would rather have a repuke is another reason why women are still second class citizens.

[FREEWILL56]

37. So tell hillary supporters who constantly push polls to stop pushing lies

if people lie on polls or will this be another case of only the polls we say are good stay?
As to the votes, you get those by addressing real issues and not by crying poor me or spinning. If hillary is elected you'll still be that same second class citizen you feel you are as she isn't going to change anything in that regard and in fact if you aren't a ceo or rich it will be even worse for you as she'll snub you as a nobody making it a class issue too. Gee, then you can cry about it happening from a woman in charge.

[LWolf]

65. I believe that your post infers

that the people voting in this particular poll are liars. I voted. I didn't lie. I don't like the broad brush smear.

If "people lie on polls," then no poll should be given any weight. I suggest that campaigns and the media quit focusing attention on polls and start focusing attention on issues.

[FREEWILL56]

68. Agreed and seconded.

For the record I voted male do not support and I did not lie either.

[rinsd]

46. How? Its a self selecting DU poll that's worthless for "proving" anything.

:shrug:

[XemaSab]

8. Trust me.

Women are, if anything, just as likely to rip on other women as men if not more so.

[durrrty libby]

18. Yes, but only the silly, shallow ones

[XemaSab]

26. O RLY?

:o

[gmudem]

52. So when people don't like Hillary

it can't possibly be because of her positions and votes can it?

[Eurobabe]

9. female, support someone else in the primaries

but will vote for eventual Dem nominee, WHOMEVER they may be... :hi:

No CONS in '08!!

[sandnsea]

10. Still haven't met a female supporter n/t

[itsrobert]

29. I haven't even personnaly met "A" supporter of her.

I don't believe the corporate media. No one in my family and local community are supporting her.

[Faux pas]

11. female/she threatens my sense of what 'humanity' should be.

Warmongering is not an attractive feminine attribute.

[elizm]

13. Ditto nt

[mmonk]

12. I could claim any type of negative thing to anyone who doesn't support my

candidate as well but such judgements or insults doesn't get one anywhere, even if it is based on stereotyping that some are comfortable with.

[mitchum]

14. Mrs mitchum despises her even more than I do

[Perry Logan]

15. I think it's an IQ thing. Just a theory.

[Bullet1987]

21. Male/Support Other Candidate

[Dawgs]

22. I wonder how many woman that support Hillary voted male/support Hillary?

Hillary supporters seem to be the only ones that hide their gender in their profile.

[Basileus Basileon]

34. And I wonder how many men that don't voted female/don't? nt

[Dawgs]

39. Well, I was one, but it's not because she's a woman.

[bigwillq]

24. Male, do not support

But I will cast my vote for her if she is the nominee.

[mark414]

25. well, so much for THAT theory

[durrrty libby]

30. If you honestly believe any theory is proved or disproved

by responses on DU, then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you

[lumberjack_jeff]

32. When the theory has to do with the attitudes of DU'ers...

... then it certainly is.

But you're welcome to cling to your comforting misconception.

If the entire basis for your belief that DUers hate Hillary because we're all woman-hating men rests on the belief that all the respondents lied to this poll, then there is very little that can be done to encourage you to drop your predjudices.

[durrrty libby]

35. There is nothing comforting in the vast number of bigots in the

good ol US of A

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. Real OR imagined. n/t

[FREEWILL56]

63. Do bigots get a reprive if they vote for hillary?

[jgraz]

50. Well, it's not a theory so much as a bullshit piece of spin

Anyone with half a brain understands exactly why most Democrats don't like Hillary. It has nothing to do with her lack of external genitalia and everything to do with her lack of internal principles.

[mark414]

55. that would be correct

[ecstatic]

27. I'm undecided but I really would be glad to see a woman president

We claim to be morally superior to other countries because of our equal treatment of women and minorities. It's time for us to prove it. They're all the same, so I wouldn't mind having a woman president this time around.

[youthere]

28. I can certainly identify with that Truth Hurts A Lot.....

I would LOVE to have a woman president, but not just any woman. I do think it's time this country put a female in as POTUS, but I can't support the policies of Senator Clinton. There's no doubt that she is the forerunner on Pro-Life issues and I will say (begrudgingly) that I trust Senator Clinton implicitly when it comes to that issue...however, this next administration is going to be dealing with issues that are far more pressing (notice that I did not say "important"), especially on the foreign relations front, and my feeling is that Sen. Clinton is simply not the best qualified in that regard.

[Labors of Hercules]

31. Here's a woman for you:

GORE/BOXER 08!!!

[Basileus Basileon]

33. Fundamental problem with poll:

You state what you are hoping to find beforehand. People may then vote accordingly.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. There are only three ways someone reading the poll could lie.

People who respond that they are of the other gender
People who respond that they support/don't support Hillary
People who hold a view who refrain from voting.

I'm a man who doesn't support Hillary yet. As a male, it seems I'm in the minority among those of us who don't support her primary candidacy.

It's hard to imagine what would motivate someone to lie about this fairly benign and anonymous poll.

It seems apparent that her gender is not a primary source for her support/opposition.

[Forkboy]

36. The person who posted that is being as sexist as what they complain about.

[Faux pas]

42. LOL so far that poster seems to be incorrect. Good way to prove

a point.

[rucky]

44. DU-ers have gotten smart to the polls.

and enough will vote to refute any point the OP is trying to make.

Case in point:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3684624

[jenmito]

47. You proved the opposite of your "case in point"

In your question the majority said they're sexist. So it would make your case if the majority said they were males who didn't support Hillary.

[rucky]

48. I didn't make my original case from the results of that poll.

In fact, i didn't expect anyone but a few smartasses to vote "yes".

but it was pretty obvious that virtually nobody answered seriously.

[jenmito]

56. So your poll proved nothing.

It wasn't a serious poll and probably lots of people felt the same.

[rucky]

57. that's my point about this one.

people just vote "whatever" in order to disprove the theory.

[jenmito]

58. I don't believe that.

His, unlike yours, was a serious question.

[rucky]

59. Mine was serious.

I just never got a chance to make my point.

[rinsd]

62. No, it doesn't. It was a let's show that Clinton supporter poll.

From an OP, who has switched candidates in dramatic fashion about a dozen times.

You really take any poll taken here on DU seriously?

[rucky]

43. My wife is a supporter.

But I won't let her vote until she finishes cooking me dinner.

:evilgrin:

[jenmito]

45. I saw that exchange. S/he's obviously wrong...

And I'm another female that doesn't support Hillary.

[MLFerrell]

49. Looks like both genders hate HRC pretty much equally.

No surprise there.

[gmudem]

51. My masculinity isn't threatened by Hillary

But I know she wouldn't support the liberal principles that I believe in if she was prez.

[tammywammy]

53. I'm a woman that doesn't support Hillary n/t

[Chulanowa]

54. Does Clinton threaten my masculinity?

No, but the thought of getting drafted into a war with Iran and having my nuts blown off does. How's that?

[FREEWILL56]

64. Agreed

:scared:

[Hieronymus]

60. I had dinner with four feminists, this past weekend, who strongly

oppose Hillary.

[ileus]

61. Soon there won't be but one choice: I support Hillary

[FREEWILL56]

66. I love these people that count chickens before they hatch.

I also was going to suggest a new poll and that in order to be counted in the poll you had to check in with a post identifying yourself male/female and for/against, but you can't verify that when hillary supporters hide their gender in their profile. There is much to say about people that hide imho. It's not that they are in danger of a predator, but that they are predators.