Oh oh! Obama: A Clinton-led ticket at best "barely" wins--I guess its on!

[wndycty]

Obama: A Clinton-led ticket at best "barely" wins

By Mike Dorning

Barack Obama said today that a presidential ticket led by Sen. Hillary Clinton would be destined to largely repeat the disappointing Democratic performances of 2000 and 2004 and could aspire only to eke out a victory.

Obama predicted that if the Democrats nominate Clinton "you’re going to basically see a repetition of the 2000 and 2004 elections, in the sense that the country’s divided and both parties will be working at the margins to tip the election just barely in their favor."

In an interview with the Tribune, Obama questioned the front-runner’s ability to convert broad public discontent with the Bush Administration into a decisive Democratic victory, suggesting the political baggage she carries from the partisan battles of the 1990s would be a burden on her general election campaign.

“I have a better chance than any of the other candidates of bringing the country together and attracting independents and Republicans into a working majority for change. That is a harder argument for Sen. Clinton to make, I think, because people’s views are set on her," Obama said.

The Illinois senator portrayed Clinton’s campaign so far as one based on obfuscation and avoidance of clear political stands.
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http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_a_clintonled_ticket_at_b.html

[Catherine Vincent]

1. ...

[2rth2pwr]

3. why is he using earth killing plastic bottles? nt

[wndycty]

5. Oh god, tell me you are joking

:kick:

[2rth2pwr]

45. It would almost be better if he had a cigarette in his hand

/sarcasm

[dugggy]

9. Because he no Al Gore n/t

[ripple]

40. If anyone should use them, he should

as should all elected officials and candidates for office. As we've seen in Europe, poisoning is alive, well, and quite effective.

[2rth2pwr]

44. dupe

[MethuenProgressive]

16. Great pics!

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Thanks!

I plan on posting that pic for the Hillary and Obama supporters every now and then.

[L0oniX]

57. gross me out ...yuck!

[Inspired]

2. I'm not an Obama supporter

but I agree with him on the premise of this statement. If Edwards doesn't win, I hope Obama does.

[Lucinda]

4. I'm glad to see he's still able to dream.

;)

[Colobo]

21. He has an army of supporters, a lot of cash and a message.

It's not a dream, it's the route to the White House.

[Lucinda]

22. And really large flaws.

I'm truly glad you found someone you believe so much in.
He doesn't do it for me at all.

[Tellurian]

30. Exactly, Obama is selling hopes and dreams..aka "snake-oil"

We cannot afford to view politics with sentimentality or nostalgia. We need to deal with the issues at hand, electing the best most experienced and qualified person who can get the job done. Sen Clinton is up for the task.

Obama demonstrates time and time again he is unqualified to lead this country.

[Lucinda]

31. Yep. I wouldn't mind a little inspiring rhetoric though, if

the candidate had any chops to go along with it. But all flash and no substance isn't gonna solve anything. I think Obama is flash, or really, maybe just smoke and mirrors.

I always thought Hillary was the best candidate to handle the general, but I was still in Edwards camp for a variety of policy reasons. But I've switched. I understand how Hillary thinks. And I agree with most of what she's saying. AND I think she is conducting herself and her campaign VERY well. Edwards lost me with the ad trying to make Hillary sound like she was being inconsistent. Nuance isn't a dirty word for me. I understood what she was saying regarding immigration, and Edwards did too.

[Froward69]

42. you are over stepping the ACTUAL

candidate that has with out a doubt. "The MOST experience" a guy who actually answers questions. (unlike Hillary) someone whom Hillary has praised as being "correct" and "Right" no less than three times during the last debate. a guy who has risen above the fray. (although Hillary falsely accused him of attacking her) The candidate who correctly predicted the mess in Pakistan should be the focus. as it is about to explode. (and then did just today) That man has not been paid for, like Hillary. Not been preordained my the mass media (like Hillary) as he hasn't the money to run adds ad nausea (like Hillary will do) That man IS... Joe Biden!

[Nedsdag]

60. Funny!

Hillary is just as much as a snake oil salesperson as Obama. She just isn't as good.

[still_one]

6. This poll indicates that Obama would do better than Hillary against guiliani

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[aquart]

7. You found one!

[Bitwit1234]

8. Good Lord...""and he can get a landslide."".Damn he can't even

get democrats to come out for him. But when you are falling behind any old ruse will do.

[still_one]

12. First of all I don't like any of our top candidates

Worse yet they are evasive and not clear where they stand

Yes, I will vote Democratic in 2008, BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT

Not one of the leading Democrats have given a straight answer about Iraq

The repukes said they will stay there

The Democratic candidates have not commented much on the Supreme Court, the repukes have said they will appoint judges like scalia and thomas

The Democratic candidates better get a clear and consistent message out, or we will have another nuanced Kerry campaign

[rodeodance]

10. no, i really do not think so.

[Tellurian]

11. Nice Try Obama.. So tell us how does your scenario on Clinton's unelectabilty

fly, when you ignore great swaths of voters primarily the GLBT Community and Baby Boomers. These two groups exist
in both Partys. Yet you expect us to believe YOU are more electable in the GE.

When YOU have summarily dismissed them from your realm of representation.

On the face (number wise) of not giving these two groups your attention, it isn't hard to figure out YOU would NOT be getting their vote in the general Election..

Another 'Swing and a Miss' from Obama's crooked mouthed campaign!

[opihimoimoi]

13. Yup...Obama wishes....and thats about it....he wishes his wish can come true

but in fact, his wish is a wish, nothing more...

Esp when his numbers are lacking in the manner it shows....he would do worse than Hilliary in my book...

Hilliary is the safer bet....

[Tellurian]

19. Yes, wishes and hopes!

Someone ought to tell Obama; "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

[earthlover]

26. There are not the only two choices!

Biden would be a much safer choice. So, so much more experienced than either Hillary or Obama. Maybe we need a more experienced candidate than Hillary or Obama

[Tellurian]

29. Biden would be an excellent VP alongside Hillary..

They make a good pairing where he could run interference for her...

[earthlover]

35. Biden is running for President. Not VP. This is condescending....

...to try to relegate an opponent to VP status. HArdly original.

I think Biden would make a much better PRESIDENTIAL candidate than Hillary. For one thing, he could win it. Secondly, he has tons more experience than Hillary. I think Hillary may make a good president but her time is not now. She needs to get some more years of experience first. Biden has the experience now. And he is a better debater.

[earthlover]

39. Hillary is a good enough person and she is learning....

She has a term in the Senate and a little more. Her spouse was elected president in 1992 and some think that being a spouse is experience, and boy did she have some experiences with her spouse!

But, let's keep it all in perspective. Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HILLARY'S SPOUSE WAS ELECTED President.

Hillary's gaggle seems to be making a big deal abour her experience. Well, they also call her a peace candidate I suppose even though she hasn't voted against a war in her political career.

But Biden was in the Senate in 1972. That was before Bill Clinton finished his schooling. It was also even before Bill Clinton married Hillary.

I say, Hillary makes a good point about going for experience. For this reason, we should support Biden. Experience.

[Tellurian]

46. Ck..the polls.. Are they condescending as well..

Like it or not, Biden would jump at the chance for VP.

He'd be honored he was under consideration.

[earthlover]

51. Damn, you are so condescending you perport to speak for Biden!

Since Biden has about 6 time more experience than Hillary, it would be more sensible for Hillary to be the VP. Would you be willing to state unequivocably that you think Hillary would be a good VP for Biden?....I didn't think so! So let's quit the presumptuousness. Biden may very well thump Hillary's butt when people begin to pay attention to the race in large numbers. Or maybe Edwards will. But, at any rate, you have the cart in front of the horse. When Hillary...or IF Hillary gets the nomination sewed up, a development that is certainly not inevitable unless you are drinking the Kool Aid....THEN and ONLY THEN is it even appropriate to discuss the other candidates as VP material.

[Think82]

33. I agree. Biden almost could not possibly lose a genera election.

[earthlover]

14. You both may be right....neither Obama nor Hillary are electable. Maybe look elsewhere!!!!

[Tellurian]

18. I need not look any further..Hillary isn't snubbing any group..

and is well equipped to represent all of us!

[earthlover]

37. She sure chums up with Murdoch....owner of Fox News and a conservative empire

[Tellurian]

47. yeah, we can use him...

[earthlover]

52. We can use Murdoch? That is the funniest thing I have read in days!

So....let's get this straight....Murdoch has this entire empire of conservative media....Fox News being part of it....and you think that Hillary is going to be able to "use" Murdoch?

How old are you?

[CyberPieHole]

15. What ever happened to "the politics of hope"?

Talk about flip/flopping and waffle-ing.:eyes:

[emilyg]

17. Yep.

[NewHampster]

20. Why is Obama always about Obama

I this, I that. Trust me. Believe in Me.

Yesterday I listened to Hillary talk about me and you but with Obama Its all about the O.

[Cameron27]

23. "Its all about the O."

:spray:

Now that's funny. :thumbsup:

[NewHampster]

24. I'm having a funny day. Thanks

[Nedsdag]

61. Give me a break!

Hillary doesn't have an ego?

Where did you get that impression from?

[sutz12]

25. Hey...Bush "barely won" twice. I'd take it.

:shrug:

[mustang]

36. Really. A win is a win. Geez.

[earthlover]

53. Some would say that Gore and Kerry "barely won"...

but since it was close, the Reps were able to rig the election.

Do you have information that proves that the Reps will be honest this time around?

Unless you do, I think we need to have a candidate who can win in such large numbers that stealing the election would look really suspicious....to everyone.

08 is an opportunity for the Dems to increase our majorities in both houses of Congress, it could be a transformational year!
With Hillary, there will be no coat tails, and since much of the campaign money will be for the presidential race, our congressional races will suffer if Hillary does not have coattails.

We need to thump some Rep ass in 08. Neither Obama nor Hillary can do this, in my view. 'Tis a pity that we could squander such an opportunity by nominating the wrong candidate.

Either Edwards or Biden would do so much better.

You Hillary folks can knock Obama all you want, and you will be right. You Obama folks can knock Hillary all you want, and you also will be right. The best candidate, however, is neither one.

[Colobo]

27. Obama is our best candidate. Hands down.

[Think82]

34. Ummm.... no. Biden is. by far.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Why

Why does not the gentleman discuss his own virtues rather than the flaws, alleged or authentic, of his rival?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

32. he might have

gotten inspiration from the anti-Obama people on here :P

More seriously tho i don't really know, but if true then i see no reason for him not to point it out(just as i don't mind reading about negative aspects of Obama as long as they are factual)

[earthlover]

54. The reason is that both Hillary and Obama are flawed candidates and that is all either can do

[sniffa]

38. i "heart" the audacity of hope

http://news.lavenderliberal.com/

[NMMNG]

50. How about the audacity of irony?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3682591&mesg_id=3682591

[killbotfactory]

41. I agree with him.

[Tejanocrat]

48. Hillary's nomination risks losing the presidency and will cost us a few Senate seats and FOR WHAT?

[earthlover]

55. For what? Well, it won't be to elect a progressive Democrat to the Pres!!!

That is what is infuriating. Hillary is the most conservative candidate we have. She triangulates to the point of obsession. Yet she is the riskiest of our candidates...she will be portrated as a far left liberal by the media and by the Reps if she is nominated. Not to mention all the other memes that have already been planted.

It would be one thing to nominate a risky candidate with strong liberal bona fide credentials. At least, if we lost, we would go down with a fight. But with Hillary, the way she has put herself into contention has been to pander to the middle, or to the right on issue after issue.

If we nominate Hillary, we give the Republicans their wet dream. They get someone they can unite their party against and drive up voter turnout in a down year for them. Even if they lose, they get a Democratic president who isn't that liberal, won't change that much. As an added bonus, they get a boogie-woman in the White House to motivate their base for years to come in the off year elections, etc. Hillary is a can't lose nominee for the Repubicans.

I much prefer someone like Biden who can kick some Republican ass in Fall. And win this thing decisively.

[Tejanocrat]

58. Biden isn't a progressive alternative to anyone. On reproductive rights, Biden voted to ban D&X

procedures no matter what the woman and her doctor agree is in her best health interest, he voted to ban any public funding for abortion, and he says life begins at conception.

On the bankruptcy bill, Biden voted for the bill and also voted against most of the pro-consumer amendments offered by Democrats.

On "free" trade, Biden voted to renew "fast track" approval and for normalizing trade relations with China and Vietnam.

Biden isn't the worst person on the race, but he's to the right of Obama, Edwards, Dodd, or Kucinich.

[antiimperialist]

49. If Obama wins, he does so barely, polls show

Rasmussen has B.O. losing to Giuliani. In the latest Newsweek Obama is up 3% over Giuliani, while Hil is up by 4%.

[earthlover]

56. Hillary....Obama....neither is a strong nominee if we want to win

Hillary unites the Reps.

Obama can't look into the camera or stop saying UH in debates.

We deserve a better nominee than either.

[rinsd]

59. We've seen your plan for attracting GOP voters.