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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:49 PM
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No candidate has ever beens savaged by moderators as Clinton was savaged on Tuesday
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110207.shtml

WITHOUT PRECEDENT! This always happens, the pundits have said. As always, their statement is false:
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 2007

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Chronology makes Matt’s post remarkable. It follows, by only two days, one of the most remarkable presidential debates in our history. No candidate has ever been savaged by moderators as Clinton was savaged on Tuesday (details below); nothing even remotely resembling that debate has ever been staged. But as they think about the guy who staged it, Waldman and Yglesias don’t even raise the question of partisan animus. If you’re a liberal, and you read their work, you aren’t told this might be a question.

In our view, Russert, Matthews and Williams have long been a partisan wrecking crew. Their debates have been astounding all year long; we have gone to substantial length to examine the way they have shaped them. Beyond that, Russert’s “problems” were quite apparent in Campaign 2000—the Event That Must Never Be Discussed—and Matthews was simply astounding. For ourselves, we can’t begin to understand what keeps liberal writers from noticing this. But it’s astounding to see the way they have to be pushed, dragged and hauled toward the task of observing what’s real.

Time passes slowly up here in the mountains! Eight years after the trashing of Gore, some of us have managed to say that what happened may not have been kosher. (Apparent rule: Once you win the Nobel Peace Prize, career liberal writers will start to defend you!) But even now, these writers can’t see the partisan problems displayed by Jack Welch’s sick network. Let’s say it again: This group was hand-picked by a powerful conservative Republican, then turned loose to savage the Clintons and Gore. But so what? Even after Tuesday’s astonishment, the liberal world still can’t digest it.

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At MSNBC, they’re happy to accept the idea that the other candidates ganged up on Clinton. But of course, it all started with the two hosts. Has there ever been a debate where one candidate’s character was hammered this way? In the evening’s opening question, the pattern was clearly established. Obama was invited by Williams to bang away. Please kill the pig, Williams said:

QUESTION 1, WILLIAMS (10/30/07): Senator Obama, we’ll begin with you. You gave an interview to the New York Times, over the weekend, pledging in it to be more aggressive, to be tougher in your campaign against your chief rival for the nomination, the leader among Democrats so far, Senator Clinton, who is here next to you tonight. To that end, Senator, you said that Senator Clinton was trying to sound Republican, trying to vote Republican on national security issues. And that was, quote, “bad for the country and ultimately bad for the Democrats.” That is a strong charge, as you’re aware. Specifically, what are the issues where you, Senator Obama, and Senator Clinton have differed, where you think she has sounded or voted like a Republican?

Obama had made “a strong charge”—and he was asked to repeat it. His answer was exceptionally vague, as we’ll see below. But nothing he said about Clinton was challenged, and we moved on to Question 2:

QUESTION 2, RUSSERT: Senator Edwards, you issued a press release, your campaign, and the headline is “Edwards to Clinton: American people deserve the truth, not more double-talk on Iran.”What double-talk are you suggesting that Senator Clinton has been engaging in on Iran?

In his answer, Edwards made a baldly false statement about Clinton (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 11/107). But so what? Russert seemed happy to move right along. Having invited Obama and Edwards to bash Clinton, he now quoted a third, absent party who seemed to be doing the same:

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:53 PM
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1. The MSM hates Clinton.
:popcorn:
:kick:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:55 PM
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2. *Yawn* Blaiming the moderator is the last refuge of the pathetic. nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:57 PM
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3. What part of Somerby's argument do you find inaccurate?
nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:01 PM
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4. don't bother
truly a waste of time to try and have an honest discussion there.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:02 PM
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5. Yes it is.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:04 PM
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6. He must not have remember how Dean was treated in 2003
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 07:05 PM by depakid
Admittedly, he handled it MUCH better- perhaps a little too bluntly at times, but he rarely ever waffled.

You pretty much always knew where he stood.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:09 PM
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8. There's a whole thread debating that premise:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3678133#top

I don't see that much difference in his reaction compared to Clinton's.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:15 PM
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9. Not talking about the reaction
and I just saw and posted on that thread.

I'm talking about the attacks- and the "moderators" roles in them.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:18 PM
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10. Ok
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:07 PM
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7. Those "attacks" were nothing compared to what Kerry and Edwards
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 07:08 PM by JDPriestly
sustained in 2004. If Hillary can't take the heat she had better get out of the kitchen, because she is going to get a lot worse treatment if she is the nominee. She attracts this sort of stuff like a lightening rod. That is one of the main reasons I don't want to see her run. While the Republicans will play dirty and mean and be as crass as they can possibly to any Democratic candidate, the outrage that poor Hillary will face will just wilt and ruin her. Frankly, we need her in the Senate. If she thought that was tough, she needs to drop her campaign and really work at her Senate job. She would make a lousy president, but she makes a good senator.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:21 PM
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11. At least they let her speak. What about those candidates who were barely asked questions,
or Kucinich, who was asked about UFO?

Sure, the questions were not great. This is gotcha Timmy. But, frankly, she was far from being the one who was the most savaged.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:26 PM
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12. Try ... "Hillary was "battered" by 6 men."
"Savaged" just doesn't elicit the same kind of emotional response.


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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:49 PM
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13. Presumably, they'll pan-fry her next.
The beasts.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:51 PM
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14. At least she was given a chance to respond
The mainstream corporate news should not be running these debates.

How did that happen anyway?
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