Your Tent’s Not Big Enough, Obama.

[NMMNG]

From The Republic of T: Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Log Cabin Democrats. Who else could come up with a statement like this.

An open letter signed by 16 LGBT and black religious leaders says that Obama is reaching out to bring blacks and homosexuals together. But Obama makes clear that even if he disagrees with African-Americans who are anti-gay, he still wants their votes.

“We believe that Barack Obama is constructing a tent big enough for LGBT Americans who know that their sexual orientation is an innate and treasured part of their being, and for African American ministers and citizens who believe that their religion prevents them from fully embracing their gay brothers and sisters,” the letter states. “And if we are to confront our shared challenges we have to join together, build on common ground, and engage in a civil dialogue even when we disagree.”

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And supports or associates with a guy who has said and not repudiated stuff like this?

This world the Sun calls narrow surely encompasses within its borders viewers of the 700 Club. That means one million viewers each day. Among them McClurkin is notable, and cherished, as the man with the guts to say homosexuals are “trying to kill our children.”

The media didn’t call the Republicans on Donnie McClurkin. He came. He sang. He conquered. He was surrounded on the stage by a cloud of singing little children, sitting cross-legged, wearing white, pure and innocent—a semiotic coding unmistakable to that narrow world where millions of people know that Pastor McClurkin has devoted his life to saving children from the cult-like snares of the homosexual recruiters. “The gloves are off,” he told the 700 Club. “And if there’s going to be a war, there’s going to be a war.”

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And I know about Hillary and Darrell Jackson. This thread is about Obama. If you want to talk about Hillary you are welcome to start your own thread.

[JackBeck]

1. What's sad is how Obama built all this political capital

And has chosen to poorly spend it.

[sandnsea]

2. John Matthews and Linda Short, Clinton SC Co-Chairs

Nope, you'll never deal with them either.

[Touchdown]

17. This tit-for-tat "Hillary too!" shit misses the point.

Pandering to homophobes is disgusting. It's hateful, It's dismissive. It happens every 4 years, and I think I can speak for myself and other many GLBT people that we're too damn sick of you straight people playing the "gay card" on each other to see who can demean us most. When that becomes a bad thing, then you straights miss the point again and cry "Little Joey does it too!" Grow the fuck up and stop using me and my life as a soundbite.

We're not talking about mud slinging between candidates here. We're talking about embracing bigotry. Clinton is guilty of it. Richardson is guilty of it. Obama is still PROUD to be guilty of it.

None of those 3 are on my list of possibilities. Obama was before he decided to coddle this bigot. Now he's dead to me. Deflecting to Hillary's bullshit isn't going to change my mind, so save the bandwidth.

[sandnsea]

21. Where are the threads about the SC STATE CONSTITUTION

Until I see them, I'll know this is all political partisanship to bash Obama. And I will post your hypocrisy in every single thread that bashes Obama on this issue.

[FredScuttle]

24. Start your own thread, then

and stop thread-jacking these.

[sandnsea]

25. No. I will not let you ignore your hypocrisy n/t

[FredScuttle]

26. Obama. Will. Not. Be. The. Nominee

n/t

[sandnsea]

27. Hypocrisy is not about a nominee

It's about the hypocrite. I can't stand lying hypocrites. It is exactly what is wrong with the politics of our country. I'm sick to death of it.

[FredScuttle]

29. As am I

You can start with Senator Obama.

[Touchdown]

28. There's no hypocrisy on my part.

...but you don't really care about gay people or how we've been insulted and demeaned by Obama. You never gave a shit about Hillary's SC chairs until it was useful to you. I don't care about Hillary. She's a warmongering opportunist that doesn't deserve my vote, so stop your patronizxing assumptions that I'm one of her operatives or minions.

I am gay, and this is hitting me personally. YOU are the one making this partisan and I'm sick and tired of you straight people taking me for granted. Obama isn't being bashed, but he sure did gay-bash.

[NMMNG]

32. I don't know who you're talking to

But I like what you're saying. :thumbsup:

[Touchdown]

35. Thanks, you too!

I usually just read and soak in, but this just gets under my skin. I've seen many of your posts and you're spot on too. I'm just so pissed that these people think I'm not a real person with feelings. I'm not a REAL human being. I'm just a political issue, and a partisan football.

[NMMNG]

37. We're just a bunch of uppity gays

Every election cycle we get thrown under the bus. And when we protest we're told to STFU lest we lose the election for the Dems. It's really annoying.

[Nedsdag]

46. Now you know how I felt as an African American who was

told to STFU in 1992 and vote for Clinton in spite of what he did to Rickey Ray Rector and what he said about Sistah Souljah.

That's politics, baby. Live with it.

[sandnsea]

39. Anybody can be a political hypocrite

on any issue. Nobody ever said you weren't a real person with real feelings. What I've said is that it's clear there are those who are most concerned about destroying Obama's campaign, regardless of their sexual orientation. If you don't want to be a partisan football, then stop being hypocritical and go after the SC State Co-Chairs with the same zeal you're using to go after Obama.

[sandnsea]

38. Bullshit, it's about Obama bashing

I don't care who you support, Edwards, Biden, Clinton - this is about Obama bashing. If it weren't, you'd care about the gay bashers in other candidates' campaigns too - and you don't. You're the ones who are using what you think is useful to you politically, in favor of whatever candidates you're supporting.

[Touchdown]

40. Alright, here's who's dead to me.

Clinton

Richardson

Obama.

I will support or vote for NONE of these. I've made this decision based on their embrace of homophobia or ingorance of glbt people.

Especially Clinton ...mainly because her husband signed DOMA and Don't Ask into law, and she's given me no reason to believe that she has any independance of mind on those laws. There's a history with the Clintons, Richardson can be rehabilitated, but his "choice" comment really rubs me raw!

[Grandrose]

42. Exactly right!

These people are beyond simple bashing, it has risen to absolute character assassination!
Breaks my heart as a Obama supporter, it's a price you pay, he is worth it!
This too will pass, but Primary season..sucks!
:-(

[Maven]

41. Stop using the word "bash" as if he doesn't DESERVE to be called out on his hypocrisy

It's just another way to delegitimize the legitimate grievances of the people Obama shit on by his words and actions.

:puke:

[sniffa]

34. because we Love hiLLary and we're hypocrates

there, feeL better now?

obama: the candidate for bigots.

[terrya]

3. I hope this has been a learning experience for the GLBT community.

I'm sick of this shit. It's bad enough that we send our money and our votes and our support to candidates who can't even support full GLBT equality (sorry, Senator, but opposing same-sex marriage is NOT supporting full equality). But then we're confronted with THIS shit. It's too goddamned much.

I hope it will be a learning experience for us not to get too excited about candidates who say that they support us. Because, actions DO speak much more louder than words.

[NMMNG]

5. Indeed they do

And his actions have reverberated throughout the nation.

[Bitwit1234]

4. What I can't understand is this

Obama knew he was a candidate for the presidential nomination. Why did he set up this tour. He knew it would cause trouble. I suppose he didn't care. He doesn't support gays and he thought he could get away with it.

Gays are the same as everybody else. He should never have associated himself with this group. Never never if he wanted a shot at the candidacy.The thing is, it's now not really being against gays, it is the hypocrisy.

[NMMNG]

6. He apparently thought that

either the bigot vote would exceed the number of LGBT votes lost, or that LGBT people would be stupid enough to vote for him anyway (because what are we going to do, vote Republican?). But this backfired. LGBT people are outraged, and a good number of the homophobes see his pandering for what it is and aren't swayed to vote for him.

[Dawgs]

9. "He doesn't support gays and he thought he could get away with it."

Obama blew it on this one, but claiming he doesn't support gay rights is just stupid.

[Touchdown]

18. He doesn't support gay rights. Get it through your skull.

He's against gay marriage. He doesn't support gay rights.

Yes, all but Dennis is the same way, and they are all just as guilty, but THIS thread is about Obama, who took it a few steps further with his hate tour.

[NMMNG]

20. It's not stupid

It's quite accurate given his behavioral history.

[geoffgw]

44. Obama is not McClurkin

I find it strange, most everyone in this forum is acting if Obama IS the same person as this minister. As a strong Obama supporter, and Gay Rights supporter, I believe you are not being fair. Is every candidate supposed to check the detailed background of everyone who is associated with everything they do? Not realistic. I don't know this singer, but I have been following Obama closely, met him last night here in Raleigh, and I have never seen one shred of homophobia come from the guy. I think everyone is being far too sensitive, and single-issue oriented. He's the best and most open collaborative politician to appear on the scene in a long time

[More Than A Feeling]

7. If you haven't read this piece on how Obama has been slowly self-destructing all along

You really should. Donnie McClurkin is just one of the final nails in the coffin. The short of it is all of Obama's secular strawman bashing has been dragging him down.

edit: I can't seem to get the link right. So here's a different post that references the appropriate article: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2007/10/30/23015/544

[NMMNG]

12. Good one

Obama's fall from grace has been followed here as well.

[More Than A Feeling]

23. Excellent compilation. Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[PurityOfEssence]

8. This is not going away.

Much as many of his supporters hope and flatly say that it is, it isn't.

It's especially ugly for someone whose whole schtick is inclusion and multi-culturalism to so wholly embrace the most bigoted versions of close-minded religions and shut out a group like this. It's a slap in the face and a jaw-dropper of the first order.

It also flies in the face of his repeated denials that he isn't overly religious.

Having the token gay be a white person is an outrageous playing of the race card to a group of bigots. It all reflects on his judgment in a huge way, but it really shows him to be disingenuous, unfeeling, opportunistic and not inclusive despite his claims.

[NMMNG]

13. Indeed

His claims that he supports Separation of Church and State fall flat when he promotes his 40 Days of Faith and Family, as does his lip service to LGBT rights in the face of a 5 homophobe gospel tour.

[jonnyblitz]

10. all the obama apologists can do is try to change the subject

to Hillary, dismiss the gay community as irrelevent, or claim some gay friend of theirs doesn't care.

[NMMNG]

14. Look! A new Bin Laden tape!

Hey, it worked for the Republican party. :shrug:

[FredScuttle]

11. Obama, the bell tolls for thee....

What a disappointment.

[NMMNG]

15. Hopefully the bigots will keep him warm at night.

Whether or not they help him win.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Okay, this is a competence issue now...

working "to bring blacks and homosexuals together"

Look how well that worked...

And stop with the Ahmenijhad (I'm not going to look up the spelling) "We don't have the gays in the black community" bullshit.

He might as well say, "I am working to bring women and Christians together," or "bring Hispanics and home-owners together."

THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE GROUPS!

[NMMNG]

19. He really blew it with the comment

about the faith community and LGBTs being "hermetically sealed from one another". But then again, there are those who honestly believe you can't be Christian and gay. The issue of black LGBTs is another one altogether. They've been marginalized just as bad, if not worse than, religious LGBTs.

[CyberPieHole]

22. Kick...

and recommend.

[Basileus Basileon]

30. Is it just me, or

has the Barack-Hillary infighting taken a turn for the double entendre?

Barack's tent isn't big enough.
Mitt and Rudy are gonna cream Hillary.
Obama's in bed with closeted gay homophobes.
Obama and Edwards are piling on Hillary--and maybe she deserves it.

I mean, Jesus Christ guys, the sexual tension is getting uncomfortable. You're only fooling yourselves.

[jefferson_dem]

36. Wow. Double-entendres galore...

You gotta wonder.

[w4rma]

31. Imho, Obama has really hurt the LBGT civil rights movement with the rhetoric he has chosen. (nt)

[NMMNG]

33. That, and his campaign

Neither will recover easily. But we're fighting mad now so I think we're going to come out in better shape.

[Chovexani]

43. K&R

This is not about partisanship, this is about people's lives.

[CyberPieHole]

45. bumpety bump