This just baffles my mind... Just can't believe what I am reading...

[LakeSamish706]

Love Affair with Madness - US Majority Supports Bombing Iran
Silence Dogood, November 1st, 2007

Don't believe what you've heard, it is actually possible to fool most of the people all of the time. According to a new Zogby Poll, 52 percent of the American people currently support the truth-challenged, intelligence-manipulating and Iraq-disaster-producing Bush administration's plans to attack Iran. And some thought the Iraq fiasco had taught the American people a lesson? It is safe to say, not.

Incredible as it may seem, especially since not a single Iraq War justification proved to be honest and true, only 29 percent think the United States should not bomb Iran.

This time around the justification for attacking Iran includes unproven claims (the only so-called evidence is being offered by Bush's military lapdog cronies with no independent confirmation) that the country is supporting attacks on U.S. soldiers in Iraq; that Iran is going to somehow, unprovoked, suddenly decide to commit national suicide by attacking Israel; and that unlike the Soviet's crazed leader Khrushchev (a man who controlled thousands of nuclear warheads) pounding the UN podium with his shoe and promising to "bury" the entire Western world, a whacked-out Iranian President (a man with access to no nuclear warheads) and his blustery claims that Israel should be wiped off of the face of the earth cannot possibly be contained through diplomacy and threats of a mutual U.S. nuclear response.

In other words, the Bush administration has, once again, fabricated a laundry list of falsified worst case scenarios and sold them as impending facts and, once again, a majority of the American people has bought into the fairytale hook-line-n-sinker. This isn't just idiotic, it is insanity!

True enough, the corporate-owned media has played its usual enabling part in the propagation of the Bush administration's and the Clinton campaign's Iran-related propaganda, but it isn't like the American people haven't seen this scheme and its disastrous outcome before. It is after all, the same-old-same-old con job that tricked the American people into supporting the Iraq disaster. Sorry, but "the media made them do it" defense isn't applicable this time around. The American people are just too damned lazy to think for themselves.

Indeed, it seems the American people deserve to have their Constitution shredded, their military destroyed in Iraq, their bridges collapsing without cause, their children failing in failing schools, their kids and themselves going without health insurance, e. coli-laced food gracing their grocery store shelves ... the American people deserve EVERYTHING they've gotten and will get, because it is EXACTLY what they've wanted.

It isn't that anybody is fooling or tricking the American people into accepting and supporting disastrous policies and actions, the people simply believe in and support the absurdity. If the "Attack Iran" poll proves anything, it is that the United States is populated by unthinking, incurious, emotionally challenged, weak minded and easily manipulated sheep. Apparently, it is only through suffering the consequences of their insanity over and over and over and over and over and over again, that is going to force the American people to change their love affair with madness.

http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1722

[sandnsea]

1. Distorting reality never helps

No, the poll did not say people support willy-nilly bombing Iran. They said they support bombing to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, which can mean anything from a vague hypothetical to a one-time targeted event to Bush's invasion. It simply does not help in the political debate to frame things in a manner that actually helps create the impression that people are really wanting to go to war. That helps Bush.

[LakeSamish706]

5. Stopping Iran from getting Nuclear weapons? Hell Pakistan has Nukes,

the US under Bush has Nukes (How friggin scary is that?) and a host of other unstable countries have Nukes... So the majority of US citizens would support bombing (Nuking) Iran to stop them from getting Nukes? Thats just absolutely crazy...

[sandnsea]

13. Not everyone thinks just like you

If you'd asked someone whether we should bomb a nuclear facility in Pakistan or India BEFORE they got nukes, you might well have gotten the same response. That's the point. People are not supporting a full out invasion tomorrow. When you indicate that they are, you actually HELP Bush make his case. YOU see the question as people supporting a full invasion, but that is NOT the way everybody looks at the situation.

[goodgd_yall]

28. Yeah, because they're stupid.

It's insane to be so willing to bomb a country. It's sick.

[sandnsea]

32. To destroy a nuclear bomb?

If it's about to be used on you? Would that be sick?

That's what some people are thinking when they answer that question. 51% of the people are not saying they're ready to bomb Iran tomorrow.

[ixion]

8. uh, your premise disproves itself

Your Logic:
Bombing Iran (for whatever reason) != Goto War


In Reality:

Bombing Iran (for whatever reason) == WW III

Just because the sheeple don't call it war, doesn't mean those that we bomb will not call it that. Also, Russia and Iran and China have strategic agreements, so any bombing of Iran would bring them into the mix as well.

Look, the sheeple and the MSM and the WH have reached a new low in over-simplification. And the rah-rah bomb'em back to the stone age mentality that we've been carrying around since we nuked Japan is not going to lead to peace and prosperity.

As Einstein said: "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."

[sandnsea]

15. No, that is not true

Clinton bombed Iraq back in the 90's and nobody did a thing about it. I suspect a one-time targeted attack on Iran would be the same. Saying Americans support a bombing invasion ratchets up the war talk as much as Bush and his WWIII nonsense.

[ixion]

17. Iraq and Iran are two very different beasts... and the climate is different now as well

We've stirred up a hornet's nest in the ME, and pissed off most of the planet. This was not the case in the 90's with Iraq. Also, Iran is capable of defending itself, which *1 took care of, Iraq-wise, in Gulf Slaughter 1.

[sandnsea]

19. It's not that different

It's pretty much the same tensions. If Achmadinejad isn't crazy enough to build a nuke then he isn't crazy enough to start WWIII. It does not help to frame this poll as Americans supporting a full invasion or mass bombing of Iran because that isn't what it says.

[ixion]

20. whether they realize it or not, they support it, by supporting the bombing of

If someone bombed the US, you can be quite sure they would call that a war. Just because they're too ignorant to realize that it's the same, doesn't make it any less true.

[sandnsea]

23. If al qaeda took over Pakistan

people would probably support hitting their nuclear sites too. There's a balance between necessary defense and antagonistic bullying. I would definitely say this administration is in antagonistic bullying mode, but that doesn't mean every person in that poll is thinking the same way. It was highly irresponsible of Zogby to do such a vague poll on such a serious subject and I think we should watch to see exactly who uses it.

[jmp]

2. Of course we do.

Iran is a terrorist islamo-facist state ... and they are killing our troops! We don't know that Iran actually wants nukes, but we can't risk the first sign being a mushroom cloud over the what is left of a major US city.

Get with the program! ;)

[LakeSamish706]

9. Yeah ok, so lets just Nuke em... n/t

[jmp]

12. That's the spirit!

:)

[poverlay]

3. Couldn't agree with you more LakeSamish. Our weakminded countrymen/women can barely decided which

Price is Right contestant should come on down when they should be on their way to dump the tea in the harbor. Sometimes the sound of the "baaaaa-ing" drowns out even my thoughts...

[hobbit709]

4. They certainly didn't poll me or anyone I know

[dmosh42]

6. It's time to bring back the draft!

This country has adopted to a video game attitude about wars. It's always easier to send someone else's son or daughter to die for their country, but having been in the service when Vietnam escalated, the draft bought the whole country into the decision to finally end it. We have made no effort to understand Iran, and why is Pakistan less of a threat with their nuclear weapons?

[LakeSamish706]

11. You know, I was never in favor of the Draft during Vietnam, but I sure ...

am now.. And your post it dead on.

[goodgd_yall]

25. It sounds weird to say this

but I've been thinking the same for the past couple of years. If a country's army is made up of people of the whole political spectrum, support for cavalier exploits like Iraq or war with Iran is weakened. And this is exactly why the Bush and other neocons will never institute the draft. As they've done in Iraq, they will resort to mercenary forces (like Blackwater).

[ChiciB1]

35. THIS Is The Only Answer!! Even Though Some My Family Will Be

impacted, there is no other solution! WAR, WAR, WAR, that's about ALL America is known for anymore! What is WRONG?? This is just SICKENING, another WAR when we can't even get out of the one we have going on now!

[incapsulated]

38. I tend to agree

If there were a draft the percentage of people in favor of this would drop to 10% overnight.

[BrklynLib at work]

7. I refuse to believe the majority of the American public has descended into the madness that is

BushCo.....
Zogby is either lying, polling a select group, asking slanted questions that can lead to only one conclusion...or...all of the above.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. Madison Avenue sez: NOTHING SELLS LIKE TERRA!

This is not surprising, except for the fact that it was a poll. Poll numbers can mean whatever you want them to. The construction of the polling question can be a leading question wherein the preferred answer is built into the question (How long has it been since you stopped beating your wife). The subjects who took the poll could be lopsided, where those who WOULD HAVE opposed a potential attack on Iran did not answer the poll. Finally Zogby can put out a number that stands until it is challenged for empirical evidence or lack thereof.

[ladjf]

14. Something is making Americans dumb.

[opihimoimoi]

22. The super rich need a numb dumb base to do their bidding.."leave no child behind" my ass

[ladjf]

24. I agree. But, what kind of process or processes could be causing

the IQ of Americans to drop? Could it be environmental, or human caused? Something seems to be going on. Americans are doing everything possible to hurt their own best interests.

[goodgd_yall]

27. It's so easy to support war when it doesn't affect you

We haven't experienced war on our own soil since the Civil War. And, honestly, the nearly 4000 dead from Iraq does not personally affect many people in the country. Like the post upthread said, we have a video game mentality toward war. The suffering of Iraq is distant and meaningless to most self-absorbed Americans.

[Arugula Latte]

39. Crappy educational system, crappy media, and idiotic religion. n/t

[ladjf]

40. Why are so many Americans living in fear all of the time?

It's as though we've become a Country of field mice.

[rusty fender]

16. Amuricans:

Worst People In The WORLD!

[bpeale]

18. i don't believe it when 70% want us out of Iraq

they (MSM & Bush) are trying to set us up for Iran war...trying to garner support for it. it's bullshit.

[PassingFair]

21. I LOVE that LINK!

Bookmarked!
Thanks for posting it.
I could go on reading the articles and essays for DAYS!

[goodhue]

26. a majority don't no difference between Iraq and Iran

bombing muslim nations is popular

[incapsulated]

29. I want to see that poll

And the methodology used. And I want to see more than a single poll showing that result before I freak out.

[Texas_Kat]

30. Zogby Poll

Read through it yesterday.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1379

[incapsulated]

31. Ok, that IS depressing

I'm not surprised that more democrats expect it to happen but I'm rather shocked that 40% or more think it should. And these are likely voters.

Looks like Bush has laid the groundwork for the next step to World War III, well done.

:puke:

[Texas_Kat]

34. Bad, really bad

There is considerable division about when a strike on Iran should take place – if at all.

Twenty-eight percent believe the U.S. should wait to strike until after the next president is in office while 23% would favor a strike before the end of President Bush’s term.

That 51%, folks, who think we should actually strike Iran either before or after Bush leaves office. Only 29% think we shouldn't at all. Only 37% of Democrats and independent think we shouldn't. That 63% OF DEMOCRATS who say "yes" or "maybe".

Another 29% said the U.S. should not attack Iran, and 20% were unsure. The view that Iran should not be attacked by the U.S. is strongest among Democrats (37%) and independents, but fewer than half as many Republicans (15%) feel the same. But Republicans are also more likely to be uncertain on the issue (28%).

[incapsulated]

37. I think the chemicals in our food and water...

Are causing short-term memory loss or something.

[zulchzulu]

33. Have some more Cheetos with your Armageddon on TV

The human race is in for some serious blood letting and demise if we don't get out in the streets soon.

It's that simple.

[paparush]

36. I was in DC back in January with roughly 400,000 other Americans

Screaming for Congress to end this war and reign in this president. As 2007 opened, I was very optimistic.

10 months later, I feel like democracy is dead. Congress will not act. The only person who says what I want to hear is Kucinich and I don't give him much chance to make a difference.

I agree, we need to be in the streets. We, the People, need to occupy DC for weeks, or months. However long it takes to see real change. This will require personal sacrifices. Lost jobs. Missed mortgage payment. Jail time. I don't know what all, but that's what it will take. A revolution of working people.

[Eric J in MN]

41. In the recent documentary "Why We Fight"....

...the director asks people on the street if America should bomb a country he chooses at random, and they say yes.

[Arugula Latte]

42. Every passing day just leaves me deeper in despair.

I have little hope for the future of this country.