The UFO that Kucinich saw was probably a classified project, rather than extraterrestials

[IndianaGreen]

There have been several reputable reports of triangular shaped UFOs, some with silent hovering characteristics, and others capable of extraordinary speeds. How much the government is sinking in advanced technologies are not only secret, but they have little if any oversight from our elected officials.

Every so often, a curtain of secrecy is lifted slightly, such was the case involving the Aurora project:

Budget and Financial Data

The first suggestion that these studies might be translated into operational hardware appeared in the Fiscal Year 1986 procurement program document, colloquially known as the P-1, dated 4 February 1985. A line item in this document, labeled "Aurora," was slated to receive $80 million in 1986, and over $2.2 billion in 1987.<73> Since this line item appeared next to the line funding the TR-1 reconnaissance aircraft, it stirred up a hornet's nest of conjecture that a secret aircraft was being developed to replace the aging SR-71.

The Air Force quickly denied the existence of a secret program, and said the "Aurora" budget line was simply one site for B-2 bomber funds when that program was highly classified.<74> One Air Force official commented, "I wish I could say it is (an SR-71 follow-on), because we'd love to have it. But it's just accounting, I'm afraid."<75>

Others disagreed. One journal reported that "the general consensus now is that the item did not refer to the B-2 bomber but to another effort."<76> Other analysts placed the SR-71 follow-on at both Edwards Air Force Base and Nellis Air Range.<77>

Other publications saw a more complicated, more expansive black world. These periodicals posited that Aurora was one of several code names "nested within other code names, all referring to a class of aircraft designed for multiple missions."<78>

However, the discussions of the Aurora budget line item overlook one very crucial fact:

No money was ever appropriated for Aurora!

In the February 1985 submission of the FY 1986 budget, the Aurora line item projected a request of over $2 billion in the FY 1987 budget. But one year later, when the FY 1987 budget was submitted, the Aurora line item had vanished as mysteriously as it had first appeared. Indeed, FY 1987 request for the overall Air Force aircraft procurement account was several billion dollars less than had be projected in 1985, and there were no line items in the FY 1987 request that could have been used to conceal a request for funding for Aurora.

http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.htm

[Blue-Jay]

1. There you have it DU. That explains everything.

[IndianaGreen]

2. There is a federal lawsuit in the discovery phase involving Area 51 workers

that were exposed to toxic chemicals used on the skins of stealth aircraft. Jonathan Turley, the respected Constitutional scholar (and frequent guest on the Keith Olbermann Show), is one of the plaintiffs' attorneys.

The plaintiffs' attorneys are being stonewalled by the US government which is claiming national security as the reasons for denying documents to the plaintiffs.

There is a lot of mythology about Area 51 and UFOs, but some of this mythology is encouraged by the government in order to protect a whole plethora of black projects costing billions of dollars. How can you audit such programs, or hold the program managers accountable, when the government denies that they even exists, or keeps them off-budget?

[IndianaGreen]

6. Groom Lake Hazardous Waste Lawsuit

Here is one of the stories regarding the Area 51 lawsuit:

Groom Lake Hazardous Waste Lawsuit

Former workers and widows of workers claim injuries resulting from illegal hazardous waste practices at Area 51 in the 1970s and 80s. Highly toxic resins were allegedly dumped into open pits and burned, and workers at the base were exposed to the fumes. The most prominant plaintiff is Helen Frost, window of Robert Frost, who died in 1988. An autopsy of Frost's body revealed high levels of dioxins and other carcinogens which the widow contends were caused by exposure to fumes at the base. In 1996, the lawsuit was dismissed by a Federal judge on the grounds of military's national security priviledge. That decision has since been appealed to the Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, and the appeal is pending.

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/events/waste_lawsuit/

Wall Street Journal, Thursday, February 8, 1996

Desert Battle

A Secret Air Base Hazardous Waste Act, Workers' Suit Alleges

U.S. Cites National Security In Fighting Claims Tied to Toxic Disposal Fires

Plaintiffs Fear Retaliation

By MARGARET A. JACOBS
Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal

LAS VEGAS -- One day two years before he died, Helen Frost says, her husband, Robert, returned from his sheet-metal job at a top-secret Air Force base with flaming-red skin that soon began peeling off his face.

"He was a pretty tough guy, but he burst through the door yelling in fear," she recalls. "Every hour, I'd have to take a washcloth and take off some more skin."

Mrs. Frost is one of two widows who, along with four former civilian workers, are suing the Defense Department in a so-called citizen's lawsuit (rather than a claim for tort damages). They contend that it violated federal hazardous-waste law by repeatedly burning ordinary chemicals and highly toxic classified materials in open pits at the base, which is located 125 miles northwest of Las Vegas and is commonly called Area 51.

The workers, who say their exposure to toxic fumes throughout the 1980s caused health problems ranging from skin lesions to cancer, are seeking information to facilitate medical treatment and help with medical bills but no other monetary damages. As employees of government subcontractors, which aren't named in the lawsuit, some of the plaintiffs say they have no medical insurance. They also want a court order requiring the government to follow the law and dispose of such waste safely. They themselves can't bring criminal charges.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/news.html

[soothsayer]

3. silly

[IndianaGreen]

5. The Iranian press has been reporting a rash of UFO sightings lately

I'll bet those UFOs are not extraterrestials, but US spy craft.

U..K. Ministry of Defence paper on "BLACK" aircraft

In May 2006, the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) released an extensive report on Unexplained Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) in the U.K. air defence area.(1) It was written by the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS) in 2000 and was originally classified "SECRET UK eyes only". It is unusual, because it contains official comments on "black" programmes. One of the Working Papers is entitled ""BLACK" AND OTHER AIRCRAFT AS UAP EVENTS". It says, "it is acknowledged that some UAP sightings can be attributed to covert aircraft programmes". The report lists three "Western" programmes which might result in this — all of which appear to be American (right side image). The first — not surprisingly — is the SR-71. Programme 2 and Programme 3 are redacted from the report — even their names are withheld.

Two photos or representations have also been removed from the file before release. Adjacent sections freely talk about the F-117, B-2 and F-22, and show photos of these aircraft; so these programmes appear to be something different. Elsewhere in the report the DIS says, "The projected (USAF) priority plan is to produce unpiloted air-breathing aircraft with a Mach 8-12 capability and transatmospheric vehicles as well as highly supersonic vehicles at Mach 4 to 6". The Mach 8-12 aircraft may refer to what the USAF announced as the Falcon Project in 2003 but this is the first official mention of a USAF plan for an Aurora-like Mach 4-6 vehicle. Bill Sweetman (Sweetman, Bill. (1993) Aurora: The Pentagon's Secret Hypersonic Spyplane) says the report shows the MoD "identified two separate U.S. 'Black' programmes that might have operated from the U.K." This caught the attention of the BBC Two's Newsnight (14/06/2006), who related the project to many other covert projects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft#U.K._Ministry_of_Defence_paper_on_.22BLACK.22_aircraft

[Basileus Basileon]

10. I would chalk that up to a rash of paranoia. nt

[Skip Intro]

4. backwards engineering n/t

[dweller]

7. swamp gas.

just saying...


dp

[2rth2pwr]

8. Hey! Has anyone thought that maybe Kucinich is

an alien? That would explain quite a bit.

[Basileus Basileon]

9. So if we have technology capable of doing this,

why are we wasting so much time and money on obsolete things like the JSF? Why aren't we using it to monopolize the world aviation market? There's a lot of money to be made driving Airbus out of business. Plus, since what they supposedly do is completely impossible with current technology, I'd imagine that's just the tip of the iceberg. This could revolutionize the entire world's economy--and make America the unquestioned champion of this new order.

So...what's the delay?

[2rth2pwr]

11. Why are they holding back, they could destroy Iran

with these tesla powered war machines!

[EstimatedProphet]

12. Probably? Why do you draw that conclusion?

Is it because the liklihood of an event being caused by humans occurring on a planet full of humans is higher than if it were beings from light-years away?

[cobalt1999]

13. Actually, it probably was something much more mundane

A vast majority of UFO sightings are simple things. The problem the human mind has with both air and water viewing is the lack of references for perspective. As a private pilot and long time boater, I've had the experience a number of times. Things that your brain thinks are really close are really far away or vice-versa...that then destroys your perception of speed and size.

I'd give it 99.9% odds it was something average, 0.01% odds some military secret, and 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% odds a craft from another planet.

[robcon]

14. We all have seen 'unexplained' phenomena.

Most of us chalk to it up to "wasn't that odd?" It is a particular type of person who would ascribe it to extra-terrestrials.