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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:02 PM
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Edwards may or may not be most electable, but he's sure as hell electable.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 07:04 PM by Kerry2008
In another thread a poster, whose reputation here on DU is they like to get reaction out of other posters more than stating actual facts, made a thread stating John Edwards was unelectable. Normally I'd let this kind of behavior on DU go. It's what I'm used to these days on DU. It's the status quo here. But something struck me: this poster didn't state any real reason why he's unelectable?

The reason he had no reasoning behind such a vicious attack thread?

John Edwards IS electable.

Very much so, too.

Proof? First off, polls suggest Senator Edwards can hold his own against Republicans rivals and is very much electable. Secondly, he's connecting with voters with common sense proposals like universal healthcare for every American, fighting poverty, college for everybody, raising the minimum wage, and providing a stable foreign policy that ends our involvement in the war in Iraq and makes America the moral leader in the world again. Third of all, Senator Edwards has vowed to use Howard Deans 50 state strategy. And Edwards, Southerner and populist, is very able to compete in states like my home state of Missouri and others that weren't competitive in the last two elections with Kerry and Gore.

It's funny the poster who made that other thread said how electable Senator Clinton is. With all due respect to Senator Clinton, whom I admire and like, Edwards isn't polling with such strong negative numbers when questions are asked about if you would elect someone President like she is. Clinton has very high negatives and is very polarizing. And while she leads national polling, which is meaningless, Edwards still leads where it counts...not who wins the money race or the media attention race. Howard Dean was leading in polls and rolling in cash in 2004 as well. But who is winning when it comes to issues. Edwards has had the boldest and most comprehensive plans and ideas. And he's been the most honest and open about where he stands, and what he'll do as President. That matters to people.

Polls are showing things are tight in Iowa. I believe Edwards has the best organization in that state, and still has a lot of support left from his second place finish there in 2004. Plus he's been to all 99 counties talking to voters, and has connected very well with the voters there. Despite the recent small lead Hillary holds there, Iowans have always ignored polls and frontrunners and gone with their gut. They've regreted being told whose the frontrunner and whose the nominee, and go their own path. I think they will again in this election as well. And just like it did for John Kerry when he beat Howard Dean in Iowa in 2004, this could very well help Edwards boost forward and win the nomination.

Edwards is electable. As is Hillary and Obama. Most electable? That's debateable. But electable? Absolutely. And any attempt to say otherwise better come with real proof and evidence, and not just an attack thread aimed at gaining reaction from other posters. Immaturity doesn't prove anything.







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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:04 PM
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1. I agree. I just think that poster was stating his/her opinion. nt
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:04 PM
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2. i believe any democrat is electable vs any republican they have running.
its a weak and pitiful field of wingnuts and they have the bush handicap.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:08 PM
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3. So why'd he quit his Senate seat? Did he deliver his own state in 04?
"Immaturity doesn't prove anything." But he tried it last night anyways..
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:04 PM
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10. get over this, just drop it.
unless I'm mistaken you have sung this song quite a few times (i may be wrong, but i believe I recall you mentioning losing NC in 04).

He was the bottom of a ticket that had an excellent man at the top, but a man who would not be elected dog catcher in NC. If you've spent any time in NC, you would know that just about every single thing about Kerry is the antithesis of what the state goes for. Even his military service, his one virtue in a place like NC, was completely undermined by the Swift Boat liars.

He resigned his Senate seat because he did not want to 'hold on to the side of the pool' when he ran for president in 04.

As for immaturity last night: I have no comment for you, other than to point out that the correct spelling in your condemning sentence is 'anyway'.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:19 PM
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15. Well stated venable, thanks !
:toast:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:19 PM
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4. he could not bring his own state as VP candidate last time.
And he did not look very presidential this last debate.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:28 PM
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6. Gore didn't bring his and he was running for the top spot..
So what?
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:27 PM
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5. Too bad he's going the public finacing route.
All that union help won't mean jack shit when he can't spend anything for 6 months.
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oldgrowth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:29 PM
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7. Is any democrat electable vs MSM??
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azmesa207 Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:47 PM
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8. Gore And Edwards
neither won there own state and they both lost .
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:52 PM
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9. He's the least electable of the top tier candidates, but he's still electable
I think we need to avoid saying any of our candidates are unelectable. I've probably been guilty of it in the past, but there's really no need for that kind of negative thinking.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:14 PM
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11. he's the most electable - as per actual polls rather than opinions on a board
others can win, too, but he is the MOST electable.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:35 PM
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12. To say that the current polls accurately assess the most electable candidate is a matter of opinion
You're taking the opinion that the current polling results will stay the same by next November. Don't pretend that opinion is any more valid than those that say that we have a whole year's worth of campaigning left to be done and that those numbers will surely change.

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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:07 AM
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17. of course they will change. I'm referring to current polls,
since I don't know what the late polls will say.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:08 PM
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14. Polls show Hillary doing better
against GOP candidates than Edwards.

One measure used against Hillary was the number of voters who said they definitely not vote for her. The last poll that asked that question for all major candidates found 41% would not vote for Hillary, while 43% would not vote for Edwards. Either one could win though, because other candidates had unobtainable voter scores:

Rudy Giuliani 44%
John McCain 45%
Mitt Romney 57%
Fred Thompson 54%.

ABC News/Washington Post - Sept 27-30.

* a more recent CBS poll finds 36% definitely won't vote for Hillary but did not ask about other candidates.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:09 AM
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18. polls vary, but where does the 50% figure come from if not from a legit poll?
I don't think Dodd would mention it if it didn't have real value.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:12 PM
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19. Earlier polls
Hillary's numbers slowly but steadily improve.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:31 PM
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16. Exactly
Personally I like the man, agree with his stance on issues, and I trust him more than the others. Most importantly, he is wonderfully eloquent and can explain the issues and differentiate himself in a manner people can easily understand. For various reasons, I don't care for the others (Kooch excepted) and would consider an independent candidate before voting for any of the others, especially Hillary or Obama. Biden would be a great Secretary of State.

Edwards is the most electable and that's why the media minimizes his chances. Rethugs want Hillary or Obama up there on the ticket.

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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:47 PM
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13. I prefer Hillary or Obama over Edwards
I am a die hard Kucinich supporter.

I believe that Kucinich has a reasonable chance to win the nomination, but if by some extraordinary circumstances Kucinich does not get the nomination I much prefer Hillary or Obama. At least I know where Hillary stands on the issues, kind of anyway. She will be somewhere around where Bill Clinton was or is or whatever.

Edwards is a complete unknown quantity. He was ardently pro war in 2002 and then in 2004, and now he is trying to become some kind of dove. As recently as last January he was pushing for war with Iran. How can anyone have any idea where Edwards truly stands on the war in Iraq, or war in general. By the time someone reaches Edwards age, they are set in their views in many ways. How can his world view change so drastically? Further his story for supporting the war in 2002 is not plausible.

If Edwards wins the nomination, I may not vote for him. I am a Democrat to the core, but I do not believe that the huge contributions from the legal bar are good for the party or the people. This is poison money. Our legal system is broken, corrupt and rife with injustice. Edwards is funded far and away most heavily by the special interest legal bar.

I do not believe for one minute that the GOP wants to fix the legal system either, but if by some disaster Edwards gets the nomination this election will become a referendum on the legal system. The legal system gets a vote of no confidence from me and I cannot vote for Edwards for this reason alone.

I know my views on the legal system are not at all popular here,but they sure as hell are popular with the general public
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:07 AM
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20. Everybody hates lawyers
until they need one.

Cliché but true.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:24 AM
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21. You know that Clinton and Obama are both lawyers, too, right?
:shrug:

(And yes, I use the present tense -- to my knowledge, neither of them have been disbarred or resigned their law licenses.)
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:38 AM
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22. Bush is destroying the right to sue, Edwards will restore it.
Even though I admit most Lawyers are in it for the money and the power and not to help people, the right to sue is a defense against the machinations of Big-Brother Corporations. Edwards will preserve the right to sue that is systematically being destroyed by the Bushies.

Save the right to sue first. We'll reform the legal system later.
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