Clinton would cream Giuliani, poll finds

[jefferson_dem]

Clinton would cream Giuliani, poll finds
By: David Paul Kuhn
October 31, 2007 04:39 PM EST

One year before voters go to the polls to select the next president, the Republican Party is as weak as it has been in a generation, a detailed new poll suggests.

In a hypothetical matchup between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, bloc after bloc of traditionally Republican voters break for Clinton:

She wins the South.

She polls evenly with voters who attend church at least once a week.

She splits families with a household income above $100,000.

She loses rural voters and men — but only by a narrow margin.

All are constituencies Republicans have dominated for decades; George W. Bush won each by double-digit margins.

The findings from The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press remain preliminary, considering even the primaries are still two months off.

But Pew questioned an unusually large number of voters to try to paint the most accurate picture possible of where the presidential contest stands today.

Should the race continue down its current trajectory, the poll finds Clinton defeating Giuliani by eight percentage points.

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6644.html

[MethuenProgressive]

1. I think only Edwards and DK wouldn't do well in the general v AnyGOPer.

I think all the other Democratic candidates would do quite well.

[rinsd]

3. Edwards has problems in the NorthEast but he does quite well elsewhere in head to heads.

[Sufficient Voice]

27. Even Gravel?

[rinsd]

2. There are many good things for Dems in general in that Pew poll

"In July 2004, the Democratic Party had a slight lead as the party “better able to manage the federal government” and as the party that is “more honest and ethical.”

Today Democrats lead both categories by double-digit margins.

By even larger margins, Democrats are seen as the party “more concerned about people like me” (by 29 percentage points) and the party best able to bring about “needed change” (by 22 percentage points).

Other polling has also showed that for the first time in decades Americans now see the two parties as equally qualified to face down national security threats — erasing the “security advantage” Republicans have long relied on."

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Only 36 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the GOP “does an excellent or good job” of “standing up for traditional GOP positions” on issues like reducing the size of government, cutting taxes, and promoting conservative social issues.

That’s a decline of 25 points since July 2004. In fact, it’s the lowest Republican rating for the GOP since Pew began tracking the issue in 2000.

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Democrats do not have a significantly better view of their party than Republicans do of the GOP, but Democrats have long been skeptical of their tribe.

Republicans, however, have become “increasingly negative,” as Pew puts it, about their party.

And they are falling behind in the party loyalty stakes, Pew interviews of some 20,000 Americans this year have found.

About a third of voters call themselves Democrats and a quarter call themselves Republicans — but when independents’ leanings are added to the mix, roughly half of Americans lean Democratic and only 36 percent lean Republican.

That Democratic advantage in party identity is larger than at any time since tracking began in 1990.

[jefferson_dem]

8. I Like!

Haven't seen the actual results yet though. Nothing on their website yet, that I can tell. http://people-press.org/

[democrat2thecore]

4. Until they learn some of what she said last night! -nt

[OKNancy]

7. What she said last night won't change national

feelings unless you mean the driver's license thing...not a high priority with the average voter IMO.

[democrat2thecore]

9. If you don't think so, I respectfully disagree

That issue ALONE can kill her in the general election.
Gray Davis was booted out of office over the outrage of DL's for illegals.

[rinsd]

11. Gray Davis had many problems, DL for undocumented workers was but a small one.

What cooked his goose was the registration fee tripling.

[democrat2thecore]

15. A small one? 33% of the people said it was the DL issue. (see post below) -nt

[democrat2thecore]

12. Gray Davis and the Recall - his position cost him 33% of the recall votes

Washington, DC -- {October 8, 2003} Nearly one-third of those who voted in Tuesday's California recall said they were influenced to vote for Gov. Gray Davis' removal by his decision to grant driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Thirty percent of voters said that Davis' approval of the driver's license bill influenced them to support his recall, while only 8 percent said it made them more likely to oppose removing him from office.

In a desperate gambit to hang on to office, Gov. Davis last month signed legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain California driver's licenses. According to an election night survey by the Luntz Research Companies of voters who participated in Tuesday's recall election, that decision was a serious miscalculation and was a significant factor in the voters' decision to recall the governor.

This is a serious road to ravel down. < Pardon the pun > (The italicized emphasis above was mine)

[rinsd]

20. You're quoting an anti-immigration group quoting a Frank Luntz poll.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_mediadeaf

[bluestateguy]

16. This is what our nominee should say to Giuliani if he's the nominee

Re: Illegals and DL's

Well, Mr. Mayor if you hadn't made your city into a "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants, maybe this problem would not be a severe as it is today

[democrat2thecore]

18. Very good point, but he won't be the nominee (IMO)

[bluestateguy]

19. If it's McCain. we've got plenty to throw at him on the illegal issue as well

Not sure about Romney though.

[greenman3610]

17. that's right, because remember,

Clinton is exactly the same as Giuliani, right?
that line of thought has really been working for us,
hasn't it?

[democrat2thecore]

23. This is a primary nomination race. There is *supposed* to be vigorous debate

Do you just want a coronation?

[OKNancy]

5. I guess that quiets the "she can't win" crowd

Remember: Just because it's said on DU doesn't make it so.
I have my own little stories about red state women....but I won't bore you.

[bluestateguy]

6. Nonetheless, Giuliani remains the candidate that I featr the most

He can fool a lot of northeasterners into thinking that he is a moderate, when he would in fact, rarely govern that way.

[OKNancy]

10. I hope it's him. He is the weakest against Clinton

IMO. First the whole Bill thing will be a non-story since Rudi's personal life is
ten times worse. Also he wants to stay the course a la GW "24%" Bush.
Hillary has said time and time again she wants out of Iraq as soon a possible which is much different than any Republican.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

25. He's flawed, but we can do better, opponent-wise. Rudy is dangerous

[Trajan]

13. It's good on you, Jefferson Dem

That you can post a positive thread about a candidate who is NOT pictured in your sig line ....

DAMN ! ... I LIKE it !

Thanks ! .....

[Clintonista2]

14. That is the best ghoul picture. Ever.

[Carrieyazel]

21. NONSENSE!!! Hillary does not win the South. Ghouliani likely beats her in a general.

Go find the most recent Quinnipiac poll, and you'll see what I mean. Quite different than this Pew poll.

[rinsd]

22. Yeah the Q poll has Rudy with an insurmoutable 2 pt lead!

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

24. waaaa.... waaaaa (sniff sniff).... NO HILLARY! .... waaaa.....

[opihimoimoi]

26. Ys seehow them Pubs work...they get ya to think in terms of RUDY vs The Hill..when it should be

the Dems vs the Pubs...

Them Pubs are in series twoubles so they talk down to America...keep it to the Moot Level..

The Pubs have a devastating record, if ya wanna call it that, to run on...so they avoid the issue of Party differences....they down trend the discussions to this pathetic level....

America trusted the Pubs and got BURNED...they have LOST THE TRUST

[weeve]

28. Sheesh ...

MORE polls. Color me unimpressed.

The largest benificiary ( on EITHER side - think about that ) of Defense/Big Pharma contributions ... the ONE candidate the Corporate Media (and their pollsters) have been pimping for ages now ...

Nope ... sorry.

[Karmadillo]

29. Kick

nt