Man this place is chock full of Hillary Haters

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

:scared:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. This belongs in "Latest Breaking News"

[Midlodemocrat]

2. The interesting thing to me is that I don't see the same level

of rabid support for other candidates that I do for hatred of Hillary.

:shrug:

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. It is the same reason why attack ads dominate

Going negative over the long run unfortunately has a better track record of winning than going positive. At this point Clinton is in the way of everyone else's ambitions.

[Yukari Yakumo]

37. Disagree slightly

Indirect negative (having somebody else do your dirty work) has a better track record of winning.

Direct negative (doing it yourself) has a habit of deep-sixing a campaign.

Currently, Obama and Edwards are looking to go the direct negative route against Clinton, and it will likely be the final nail in their campaigns' coffins. (Especially Obama, who built his campaign on the theme of "Politics of Hope". Going negative for him will backfire, big time.)

[cuke]

67. IMO, Biden and Dodd are very happy with the change in tone.....nt

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

13. Interesting point

I had noticed that as well

[emilyg]

17. Not much to say about their own candidates - so they attack Hillary.

[Bread and Circus]

27. It's true, I don't support anyone (other than Gore), yet I loathe Hillary...

I can't stand the sound of her voice, nor the scowl of her brow, or the permanent purse of her lips.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

29. Loathe is similar to hate yeah?

:shrug:

[Trajan]

86. Arent these somewhat shallow criteria ?

Really ? ... the curl of her lips ?

[Bread and Circus]

87. who said they were criteria for anything? I just don't like her, she creeps me out

[Sparkly]

79. And I don't see the level of attacks

on Republicans that I see on her.

[niceypoo]

91. There are about 50 or 60 core Hillary haters (out of 100000+ members).

who are like rabid piranhas. Freeper lurkers swim amongst them, as this is one area where they can freely spew their venom without fear of being banned. Of course this will all end if she wins the nomination as those attacking the nominee will be gagged. It will be interesting to watch, if it happens.

[Clark2008]

94. There's not that really all that much to like in them, to be honest.

We have an opportunity of a lifetime to pick a great person to lead the Democratic Party and all we have are hacks, corporate shills and flip-floppers running.

It's pretty sad, really.

I'm not saying the Republican Party has any shining examples of virtue or those dedicated to the working man running, either - far from it.

This election has been milquetoast on corporate rye. :puke:

[greenman3610]

3. repeat after me

"There's not a dime's worth of difference between George Bush
and Al Go....ooops, Hillary Clinton"

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

8. Do you think I'm a 4 year old?

I'm not gonna repeat anything

[Name removed]

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[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. I'm a "REPUKE"?

I don't think that's fair

[Midlodemocrat]

14. Nor remotely accurate.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

15. Blue through and through

:patriot:

[Name removed]

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[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

22. what do you know about my "spirit"?

Please - enlighten me more

[asthmaticeog]

25. And you have the mind of a

...GENIUS... :eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

31. Guess you have to repeat your bullshit ..

to try and make it believable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Using The Anonymity Of The Internet To Hurl Epithets Is Always Charming

Kisses

DSB

[Debi]

57. His spirit is beautiful - any of us here know that!

:hug:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

59. Hey - that's the nicest thing anyone's said about me in a while

Thanks!

[Debi]

72. Anytime - it's been a while since I've posted back and forth w/you

but you always have made me feel welcome here :hi:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

74. Too long I think

I've been through a period of craziness over the last two years.

I hope you're well.

[Debi]

78. Just wishing January 3rd would get here so we can caucus in Iowa and the bickering can stop

I survived 2004, I don't know if I can handle 2008!!

Actually that's not fair. In the county I live in the staff are all cordial to each other, it is nothing like here on DU or on some of the blogs run by supporters.

craziness seems to be rampant right now. maybe 2008 will bring some peace and comfort to all of us? :shrug:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

82. We can all hope or pray

whichever is our thing. ;)

[emilyg]

19. That's constructive?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

23. no shit

:eyes:

[terrya]

30. That charge isn't even remotely, even slightly true.

CStT most certainly is NOT a "Repuke". That's offensive.

And there are Hillary Haters here at DU.

[Alexander]

5. Seems like there's no shortage of Hillary worshippers either.

I've never seen so many try to tell people "who are you going to believe? Me or your own lying eyes?"

[emilyg]

20. Link please.

[rufus dog]

40. please

that is lame

[sandnsea]

6. She doesn't reprepesent me

Not on foreign policy, taxes, jobs, health care. The great Clinton college tax credits of the 90's did nothing for my kids. The fact that she keeps telling working people that her policies will help them when she knows the middle class she speaks of is the $100,000 range makes me dislike her even more. This country needs real change and Hillary isn't going to bring it. Call it hate if you want, working people know how desperate the situation is and that this anger is going to go somewhere if we don't get some relief.

[Perry Logan]

9. It's not that they hate her. They just like to say stupid things about her.

I cite this thread as proof.

[ddeclue]

11. It's not our fault - it's hers for not being able to be straight with the voters...

It's not hate, it's about defending our party from corporatist, Republican-Lite Dems like her.

Doug D.

[William769]

28. So the majority of Dems are "Republican-Lite Dems"?

Thats odd.

[cuke]

68. True. She is so powerful, she can control your hands, as they type

She controls the Internet. Resistance is futile

[CyberPieHole]

12. Ya think?

I'm not being facetious. I, too, sometimes feel I have inadvertently logged into some freeper site.:shrug:

[Skip Intro]

16. been that way for a while - can't just pump up their candidate, gotta tear down the rest

says a lot, doesn't it?

[Bitwit1234]

18. I have come to the conclusion they are republicans who sneaked

on to this site. And want to cause confusion and contervarsy..I am just skipping them from now on. I know, since Edwards won't get the nod, that Hillary is the best candidate and let it go.

[frylock]

26. yeah -- that's what they are..

speaking for myself, I signed up at DU 5 years ago with the express purpose of bashing the clinton campaign. damn, you're good.

[Forkboy]

32. "I am just skipping them from now on."

Thank Christ.

[PurityOfEssence]

24. There is an inherent contrarian streak in Democrats

When faced with the two-faced, many rebel. It's a causal dynamic: on one side there are many chanting triumphalists, and this fans the fire. Mean-spiritedness and brutal combativeness is all over the place at the moment.

Many of us truly dislike this person and see her as a dangerous enabler of the corrupt system that simply can't sustain itself much longer. We'd like someone who will really address concerns of the middlin-classes, and she just isn't it. With other options who have extremely good chances in a general election, it's infuriating to hear what is, in essence, "shut up and fall in line".

Meanness is spread all over the place here, and if you apportion it according to statistical standing in the polls, she's not coming off badly at all.

I have no pity for the aristocracy; they're doing just fine.

[Bo]

33. People are tired of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.....

......it is called Burnout.

[cuke]

69. Tell us more

we've never heard that one before

[Moochy]

76. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton

Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Bush Clinton

[zulchzulu]

34. One person's "Hillary Hater" is another person's "Democratic Party Lover"

Many are convinced she is the wrong candidate to be the nominee. Is that "hate"?

The "Hillary Hater" meme is a junior high schoolyard antic.

[ozone_man]

35. It's a progressive site.

Hillary is not a progressive.

[sniffa]

36. and that's a bad thing?

i think there's too many of her bLoggers, er, i mean sycophants here.

[Yukari Yakumo]

41. What planet are you from?

95% of the time I see people bitching about anything HRC has done. If she was seen jaywalking, a swarm of people here would demand that she'd be incarcerated.

[polichick]

38. Well, hatred is always about fear. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

39. This place is a troll's paradise.

It's all in the timing.

[mod mom]

42. It's not the person but THE POLICY that I refuse to support. Even b4 Kyl-Liebermann

I disliked her free trade policy and links to lobbyists and corporate interest, but after Kyl Lieberman I don't understand how anyone opposed to war and bu$h policy could vote for her.

[Rowdyboy]

43. Just seems that way because they're so hateful....

I don't back Senator Clinton. John Edwards is my candidate, but I still take offense at the hatred and vitriol directed at her.

[jonnyblitz]

44. this place is going to go batshit crazy when she gets the

nomination, as I believe she will (despite my personal opinion of her). :crazy:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

45. it's gonna get scary

[Catherine Vincent]

47. IF she does, there's going to be a lot fo TS'ing.

And a lot of "I give up, I'm leaving!" :)

[ronnykmarshall]

61. Two of the most rabid have bit the dust already!

:bounce:

[Forkboy]

62. I think it was one posing as two.

But either way the air smells fresher already. :)

[ronnykmarshall]

66. It sure does!

[Catherine Vincent]

84. ooh, which ones?

Send me a pm!

[avrdream]

95. Yeah, me too. They may have been on my ignore list so I wouldn't know.

[Tektonik]

46. Good!

At least some people can see through her bullshit.

I want out troops out of Iraq, not involved in Iran, and I want a leader who will not mire us in international conflicts we do not belong in. I do not want Hillary Clinton to be our nominee.

[winston61]

48. No, I don't hate Hillary, I don't know her that well,

but what does scare the shit out of me is the thought of her being president. She's fully in line with the Military Industrial Complex, AIPAC, and all the usual corporate state suspects. FOLLOW THE MONEY. WHO IS SHE TAKING THE CASH FROM?

[smalll]

49. Don't let the nimrods get you down!

They're just in the second stage of grief - anger. At least they're a bit further along than the first-stagers in denial (nobody polls me, Hillary and a vast conspiracy control all the polling organizations and they're making the numbers up, it's all name recognition, etc.) They're just behind the Biden Bargainers though (various and sundry Kuchinistas, Edwardsians and the random Obamanian who have at least come to the realization that their guy won't break through against Hillary, and have seized upon Biden as their hope as they cast about frantically for a way out of Hillary's nomination: "I'll give up my man if you give up yours, then we'll stop Her."

But most of these people will go all the way through these stages. This is going to be a grim and somber place around February 5th. DUpression City. But they'll come around, and by November 2008, we'll all be united and energized Democrats again, working for and voting for and actually ELECTING the next President of the United States!

[CTyankee]

55. from your mouth to God's ear!

I see cracks in all of the candidates, IMHO. Repubs are going to exploit the votes of every one of these candidates, with the exception of Richardson. Rudy is in a good position to "remake" himself since he has no votes in his past. Some prochoice Repubs may say, "Well, I guess he's okay enough." I know a few who will!

And the remake just might work. It certainly worked for GWB. Nobody would have dreamed he was crazy as a loon. They just made up stuff about him to sell him and they did it. We should learn from that.

So one of our tasks is to look at which of our candidates will impress the independents and most Dems in order for us to win. Right now I am looking at my candidate, John Edwards, but also Joe Biden, who I formerly thought would not make a very good candidate. However, it is clear to me that he speaks with great authority on the crucial foreign policy issues of our time. I am taking a second look...

[Hieronymus]

51. I've seen an awful lot of hate cast by Hillary supporters against others.

[AlCzervik]

52. Hillary haters minus 2.

[ronnykmarshall]

54. O' Happy Day!

:bounce: :party: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :party: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :party: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :party: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :party: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :party: :woohoo: :applause:

[AlCzervik]

58. ***smooches****

;)

[ronnykmarshall]

60. Great ain't it??

:loveya:

[AlCzervik]

63. your Doobee? I have a quick romper room story--ok?

i grew up in Mass. and our Romper Room was hosted by "Ms. Jean" so on my 5th birthday i was watching romper Room and Ms. Jean held up her magic mirror and was going through the "I see timmy, i see Jane" etc and the and then out of no where she says "Happy birthday to Kim" and some other names but i about lost my damn mimd. "Moooooom, Ms. Jean said Happy birthday to meeeee!!!!" i'm sure it was a standard list of names but i swear to God i still remember that day 35 years later.

[ronnykmarshall]

65. That is so cool!

Our local one was "Miss Ann". She read my brother and my name and out friends across the street.

I felt like a celeb!

[Cha]

53. But, to balance it out.. this place

is chock full of posters who call us "hillary haters" when her policies are questioned.

[democrat2thecore]

56. Well, she brought in on HERSELF (at least for me)

Her waffling performance last night reminds me too much of the current occupant of the WH. The secrecy with her records as well. I've narrowed my choices to Obama, Biden and Edwards because of crap like that. On Edit: Maybe the proper word wouldn't be waffling, but PARSING.

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. Just wait till all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth on February 5

;)

[cuke]

70. EHS

Exploding Head Syndrome

[rolleitreks]

71. How much longer 'till it's an "irrational hatred" such as we are accused

of harboring towards Bush?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

73. I will vote for Kucinich the same as I did in the last primary so

I don't know

[opihimoimoi]

75. Many are trolls of Pub Bent....They come to Swift us...Divide us...Burn us...ain't gonna work

[KillCapitalism]

77. It's not that I hate her per se...

I just don't want 4 more years of what we have had since 2001.:mad:

[illinoisprogressive]

80. Actually this place is more full of Obama haters than Hillary ones.

[Catherine Vincent]

85. Incorrect!

[ShortnFiery]

81. It won't work this time ... HRC is going to have to stand on her own.

No more "poor dear" sentiments when one is running for President of The United States. :(

[Oldenuff]

83. Maybe it's because we have good reason

to dislike her intensely.

[beaconess]

88. and Obama haters and Edwards haters, etc.

The candidate bashing going on in here is absolutely disgusting.

[Bluebear]

89. I just hated her being crowned the nominee by the media like 6 months ago.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

90. I favor Edwards or Richardson or Kucinich over Hillary, and they irk ME! -nt

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

92. I'm voting Kucinich again

He's my man

[Perry Logan]

93. I guess they'll be trotting over here for the next 8 years with the latest smears from Fox.