Obama rejected two BLACK GAY PASTORS for SC campaign event

[denem]

"Several sources inside and outside the campaign confirm the names of TWO openly gay black pastors suggested by the National Black Justice Coalition and the Human Rights Campaign were rejected in favor of Rev. Sidden. Those names are: Bishop Yvette Flunder, an outstanding pastor and orator from San Francisco and Bishop Tonyia Rawls of Unity Fellowship in North Carolina."

http://www.queerty.com/news/barack-rejected-black-gay-ministers-20071026/

The GOP has been working for years at wedging Black Churches from the Democratic Party. That's why McClurkin was at the RNC. Obama's lack of insight, or worse, injures Democrats everywhere.

[AndyA]

1. Would the last person supporting Barack please turn off the lights when you leave?

Earth thanks you.

[MethuenProgressive]

44. What lights? He's obviously in the dark already...

He had promise, too. At first, that is.

[William769]

2. Oy vey.

K&R!

[FredScuttle]

3. Precisely

this is why this debacle goes way beyond the Hillary-vs.-Obama fight over who sides with more homophobes. People like McClurkin are tailor-made for the GOP wedge to drive between blacks and the LGBT community.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. It's A Trap

It can come back to bite the Democrats in the ass...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Supporting the fantasy that we don't have the gays here (In the black community)

[Sapphocrat]

6. And Carlton Pearson, of all people, was rejected too.

"In addition, Bishop Carlton Pearson of Oklahoma, whose inclusive ministry welcomes the LGBT community, was also rejected."

Not only that, but Pearson:

- was dumped by the Church of God in Christ, and is now a bishop in the United Church of Christ -- Obama's own church!

- recorded with Beverly Crawford, one of the performers at this concert. I may not know much about gospel music, but it sure sounds to me like Pearson is hardly unknown to the gospel community.

Pearson pisses off a lot of people with his "Gospel of Inclusion" (he says queers are going to heaven, too! Oh, the horror! :eyes: ) -- but he would have been THE perfect preacher to offset at least some of the taint of the Bigot Tour. (And he's not even gay.)

[cuke]

11. Queers in heaven? WHAT IF GOD CATCHES "THE GAY"?

He's gonna have a lot of homework re-writing Leviticus

[Maraya1969]

45. There was a special on that guy Pearson. I really like him. He talked

about how he "saw the light" that Hell is a place on earth and if Jesus came to save the earth then everyone is saved and not just the "born agains". He had a mega church and lost everything because he dared to say that everyone was equal.

He lost his church. He lost everything because of his "radical ideas" but he stayed with his beliefs and then he was brought on by a lesbian preacher and he is now just as popular as ever because great of that church; well not just as popular since he is not in a mega church but he is really popular with the people that the regular "loving church of Jesus" shuns.

I swear that guy is real. I think it was a special on MSNBC.

I wonder if Obama is a member of Pearson's old church or his new church. They are quite different.

[huskerlaw]

7. Wow, Obama

When you fuck up, you fuck up good.

[tired_old_fireman]

8. I don't thiink it was a fuck up.

HomophObama wanted to win the homophobe vote in SC. His campaign did everything they could to make that happen.

[cuke]

10. I'm beginning to think Obama is not as "inexperienced" and "naive" as I first assumed

He seems to have learned a few things during his political career

[huskerlaw]

37. Well, there are 2 options and neither one is good

1) He was courting the homophobe vote and hoped nobody else would notice or 2) he honestly believes that being gay is a choice and you can get straight with a little bit o' prayer.

Either way, he's toast.

[NMMNG]

9. Yes, definitely a larger agenda going on

McClurkin, et. al., was no accident.

[Cameron27]

12. Yes, it's hard to excuse this as an accident now.

[Karenina]

14. That's cuz it weren't no accident!

:silly:

[yardwork]

13. Ok, this make me cry.

Obama is.....this is stunning. He deliberately rejected black female gay pastors from speaking at his campaign events.

[Bluebear]

15. 'The GOP has been working for years at wedging Black Churches from the Democratic Party.'

And this whole debacle enabled that goal.

[Cameron27]

16. I'm hoping that Dennis calls him out on this during the debate Tues.

[denem]

20. Someone does have to call Obama on it.

I (half) joking called the SC concerts Obama's Southern Strategy. Surely last thing we need is a candidate using a textbook Rovian play against other Democrats. It's low level dynamite. I can barely believe the irony of what "inclusive" means in this context.

[Cameron27]

23. I think Dennis may be the only one

who has the guts to do it. We'll see who steps up to the plate.

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[Bluebear]

18. Do you feel like spitting in some faces today again?

[AtomicKitten]

19. If someone stoops to calling me a racist and bigot again - you bet.

[Nedsdag]

21. I may join you, AK.

I don't have a bigoted bone in my body yet I am accused of things that are hurtful.

It's painful.

[AtomicKitten]

25. they seem to think when they spew hate, it's okay

I know who I am. I know I work hard for equal treatment under the law in all applications, but it isn't just for the LGBT community. Unfortunately some of the more militant haters aren't interested or concerned about anything outside their narcissistic bubble and probably have no real clue what is being done on their behalf.

I hold everyone accountable to the same standard of civilized behavior, and one's sexual orientation does not, in fact, make them exempt from that.

[Bluebear]

27. Civilized behavior like spitting in faces.

You are no friend to the LBGT community, that much we know. You're on my ignore list too now, enjoy your Obama fantasyland.

[AtomicKitten]

29. Is civilized behavior carelessly lobbing "racist" and "bigot?"

Funny how the haters can't quite grasp the concept that we are all human beings accountable for our own behavior and one's sexual orientation does not make them exempt for that standard.

Bah-bye.

[yardwork]

32. Oh, are you being accused of mean things?

How would you like to get fired from your job because of whom you love? Or maybe get arrested? Maybe you'd like to get kicked out of your apartment? Or maybe you'd like to be beaten and left for dead hanging from a fence in the snow, so that your family finds your frozen bloody dead body in the morning?

[AtomicKitten]

38. There are all kinds of inequities.

Here's a vignette: How would you like being the sole support and care of two children and having surgery for suspected metastasis, in the hospital 10 days, and coming home and finding two letters firing you from your job and having your lease rescinded - both illegally - because you were sidelined with the surgery and for no other reason?

Just an example of a day in the life of a single parent dealing with prejudice and abject disregard.

We don't have to compare wounds to know it ain't easy for anybody out there.

[cuke]

22. No one called you a racist or a bigot in this thread

If it happened in another thread, and you're carrying it into this thread, that is against the rules.

[AtomicKitten]

26. my posts are being linked to and made OPs so,

you won't be getting an apology from me in that regard

[cuke]

31. Bullshit

Not in this thread

[CyberPieHole]

33. Where in this thread are your "posts being linked to"?

I've scrolled the thread and I can't find it. Please advise.

[jonnyblitz]

35. oh who would do something as nasty as to post links to your

hate filled spew about spitting on gays? after all, you ARE the self proclaimed goddess of civil rights!!! :crazy: they should be ashamed of themselves for doing that to poor little old you. :rofl: :rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

40. Why, your nasty self linked to my post twice in another thread.

I despise you because you are an a-hole, not because you are gay.

[MNDemNY]

28. How about silly and misinformed? will you spit at that?

[AtomicKitten]

30. Yes you are, but I have no problem with an opposing POV.

[DURHAM D]

24. I don't know where your heart is -

but it does not seem to be with you there in San Francisco.

[CyberPieHole]

34. Thanks for posting this...we need all the info. K&R n/t

[Divine Discontent]

36. I know who Rev. Flunder is

she's got a beautiful voice from the LORD, and is a blessing to the GLBT community.

Here's her myspace ---

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=174085767

[Sandaasu]

39. Wow, she is impressive

Thanks for sharing this!

[Divine Discontent]

43. you're welcome

thanks go to the guy "gaythelogian" on her friends list for introducing her to me. he, by the way, was kicked out of seminary last year for refusing to rebuke his gay self.

[bliss_eternal]

41. Really awesome lady....!

http://www.cloutsisters.org/gathering/bishop_flunder/

this link also shows some of her colleagues--wonderful women as well.)

We really don't see and hear enough about people like this. :(

[Divine Discontent]

42. thanks for the link n/t

[Ethelk2044]

46. This is a Bull Shit post. He decision was about bringing Black religious

people back to the Democratic party. All African Americans know this. I guess you are not African Americans know this. Try again.

[mondo joe]

47. And in doing so, he was willing to shit on gays. And our votes. And our money.

Easy come, easy go.

[denem]

48. So choosing a white gay pastor over an African American

is the way to bring black religious people back to the party. I call BS.