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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:38 PM
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Yowza! DUers! I'm in OpEdNews again! "Things We Saved in the Fire."
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:38 PM
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1. Yay!
Congratulations!!!

TC

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:45 PM
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2. Thanks!
:toast:

It's on the headline page, not far from the top of the Op-eds.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:49 PM
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5. K&R - Excellent - Proud to "know" you
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:51 PM
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7. Likewise, fellow DU sister!
Would that be "DUette"?

Thank you! Glad you liked it! EVERY DAY I grow more frustrated.

:hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:45 PM
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3. Wonderful!
K&R
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:55 PM
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9. Hugs!
Between the two of us, we have Wonderful Hugs! Thanks!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:58 PM
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11. *
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:47 PM
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4. Nice, Very Nice
K & R
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:01 PM
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12. I appreciate that.
I just wish I didn't have so much "inspiration" to write about (and rant against) these days. Sigh...

Damn Dems. MY KINGDOM for some BACKBONE!!!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:10 PM
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15. Remember That Line
It's a keeper
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:51 PM
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6. If I may... this part is awesome (sad, because we know how it all ended, but...)
This hits the nail squarely on the head:

We worked like sled-dogs all last year to change this. WE stood up to George Bush. And we voted in more Dems – returning Congress to the Democratic Party. Surely the rubber-stamping and cowtowing and excusing-making would stop. There'd be at least enough people to stand up to Young George. Almost a year later, we don't have a lot to show for it. The Democrats have been outflanked at virtually every turn – by the MINORITY party. The GOP is running FAR better interference now than our guys ever did when there were fewer of them. Few, if any, of our guys even stood up to cry foul. And we're still watching our reps cave, time after time, whether it's funding health insurance for children of the working poor, or resisting pressure to further compromise our privacy rights, or stopping the war, and/or its funding. Even as the majority party, STILL no one stands up.

And then came Pete Stark, who told a very stark truth while speaking for the above-mentioned children's health insurance program in Congress recently. It was a harsh, cruel truth with none of the razor-sharp edges sanded down. And it was a key statement in understanding the deepest, darkest "why's" of our ruthlessly and in my opinion criminally aggressive foreign policy. That policy did, after all, come in with Bush/Cheney. We didn't do stuff like this during Clinton/Gore. It wasn't even this bad during Bush/Quayle. Many constitutional and legal scholar/experts say it's never been this bad – in American history.


>snip

And then, clearly angered and over-frustrated, he dared further. Stark slammed the blowing up of all those young Americans in Iraq, and the compromising of younger Americans' health when we need them to grow up so they, too, can ultimately be blown up in Iraq. And Stark growled that it was for "the president's amusement." He must have taken a great deal of heat for that, because on this Tuesday of California Brushfire Week, he allowed his resolve to be burnt up. That was a momentary flicker – not of flame over the crest of a distant hill, but of a steely Democratic backbone.


Sad, but, very, very true.


TC




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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:19 PM
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16. parts of that do not seem fair
"And we're still watching our reps cave, time after time, whether it's funding health insurance for children of the working poor"

Say what? Democrats certainly did not "cave" on SCHIP. Too many Republicans took Bush's side instead of the side of sick children.

also this:

"The Democrats have been outflanked at virtually every turn – by the MINORITY party. The GOP is running FAR better interference now than our guys ever did when there were fewer of them."

That's partly unfair, and partly untrue. When Democrats took over the Senate in mid 2001, the Bush agenda was largely stopped, except for 9/11 type things. However, when Mondale, Carnahan, and Cleland lost in 2002 we lost alot of our stopping power. The Senate still managed to slow or blunt much of the Republican agenda. We do not, however, have their advantages 1) they have a mighty wurlitzer of publicity to cheer them and attack us (how often we use our tiny web-publicity to also attack Democrats) and 2) they can stop things with a veto and a "1/3 + 1" minority. Like they did with SCHIP.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:54 PM
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19. So what are the Dems going to do about SCHIP, or anything else?
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 03:56 PM by calimary
Compromise, where they should NOT be doing so.

I'm one of those who appreciates the Mike Gravel approach. bush doesn't like the bill that gets passed (on fill-in-the-blank-here)? Well FINE. Put it together, AS IS, and send it straight back to him. OR send him a tougher one and make him veto that. And then send THAT back again. AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN. And maybe by the fifth or sixth veto, we revisit the first bill originally sent.

The fact that they won't take a stand and stick to it, the fact that they fold as soon as the bad guys start gnashing their teeth, instead of ignoring them, telling them to go sit down and shut up, asserting themselves as something a little more courageous.

I want them to fight. I want them to fight back. And, if necessary, I want them to hit below the belt. I want a ROAR of outrage over limbaugh and others attacking a 12-year-old accident victim. I want censure resolutions introduced, or AT LEAST threatened, against john boner for saying those thousands of American deaths are a "small price to pay." Small to WHOM??????? I'm sure any number of the 38-hundred-and-some grieving mothers and widows think theirs is a small price to have paid, indeed.

I want some ROARING. Some IN-YER-FACE. I want a fight - TO WIN, instead of merely a fight by the rules. The bad guys don't play by the rules, EVER. And they win. Sadly, THAT is the game we're forced to play. SO WHY AREN'T WE PLAYING IT????

Yes. Most of the Dems, barring two, did stick together on SCHIP. Has there been ANY consequence leveled against those who balked? ANY rough-handling of republi-CONS who kept caving to bush? Have there been ANY consequences leveled against those who willfully do not want to play, and do not want to play fair when they do play? ANY consequences AT ALL? Besides allowing them to get their way AGAIN??? No, With the SCHIP program, the strategy will now most likely be to cave. To water it down. To back it off and make it more like what bush would want. THAT is no show of strength.

In all fairness, our Dems should be rejecting basically EVERYTHING that bush wants. EVERYTHING. They just rubberstamped Southwick for the Court of Appeals - NINE dems. They're gonna rubberstamp Mucasey. They're just gonna bend over and bend over and bend over and keep trying to appease the dictator and his flying monkeys. They'll undoubtedly cave on the next big appropriation for Iraq, too. WHEN DOES IT END????

SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE HAS TO START SAYING NO!!! Somebody should have, standing staunchly BEHIND Pete Stark instead of piling on him along with all the bad guys.

Look, I don't mean to pile on YOU. But the overriding reality stays the same. The Dems don't fight. Or actually, they kinda do. They fight like ladies and gentlemen. Not realizing this is mud-wrestling with the WWF. And I'm NOT talking about the World Wildlife Fund, either.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 01:39 AM
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26. Southwick is what we got after rejecting Pickering and Wallace
You call failing a fillibuster by two votes "rubber-stamping"? 59-38 is not exactly bi-partisan approval, although it seemed that when Clinton was President it only took 1 Senator to quash a judicial nomination.

The battle over SCHIP has been going on since at least July 15 when Bush first threatened to veto it. Would another three months of work produce different results? Whether there are consequences for the votes on this measure is up to the voters more than it is up to the party. I'd rather have my Rep vote her conscience - vote the way she thinks is best for the people of her district or her country, rather than being bullied by a party leader or bought by a lobbyist. SCHIP had several Republican sponsors too - Hatch and Grassley.

Bush's proposal on SCHIP is $30 billion which the M$M dishonestly calls a $5 billion increase. Until $30 billion is passed, the Democrats have certainly not caved, and I am not convinced that total warfare, below the belt fighting, is gonna produce any veto over-rides.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:37 AM
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27. Fair enough. You could well be correct about how harder fighting
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 05:43 AM by calimary
may not produce the desired results. We certainly don't have any proof that it would.

But that's just the point. We DON'T have any proof that it would make any difference because it's hardly been tried. All we DO have is a consistent track record of one kind of response that has clearly produced many different varieties of HUGELY unsatisfactory results. Six-and-some long, miserable YEARS of these sucky results.

We've done the collegial thing again and again and again. Cave, compromise, cut slack, waffle, and - ultimately - give in to bush and the republi-CONS yet again. And again. And again.

It is no wonder that the Democrats are widely viewed as not having any spine. That's exactly why I think a much more hard-ass approach is worth trying. bush himself campaigned compellingly enough in 2004 with such phrases as "you may not agree with me, but you know where I stand." This conveniently contrasted - rather glaringly - with the nuanced, more complicated (and harder for simpler, more gullible, and favorably-predisposed minds to wrap around) "I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it." All that did, no matter how legitimate and circumspect the argument on our side, was read "waffle." "Uncertainty." "Flip-flop." "Wishy-washy." "The Democrats don't stand for anything." "No spine." In fact, closer to last November, there were even some republi-CONS and pundits who flat-out said "well, if you really wanted to end the war, you'd stop the funding for it." Boom. Period. That's that. End of sentence.

Risky? Yes. But sometimes you have to take great risks. Sometimes you have to tilt at the windmill. Sometimes you have to go for broke, just to make one stand.

Furthermore, I think if the Dems changed battle tactics and went all out, it might start changing public perception of their purported spinelessness. It would show they had some fire in the belly. People seem to like that. People seem to like the underdog who goes all out. What was a more heroic image than that, used in some avatars here, of the single little Chinese guy standing in the road blocking a row of huge and rather fearsome-looking armored tanks? Gestures, maybe. But gestures contribute to public perception, and the modification, manipulation, and management thereof. That's HUGELY important.

It's seemed, for a long time, to me, as though the Democrats exhibit a great deal of battered-spouse syndrome. I've read other explorations of that same observation, also. The view is - our side is the meek, submissive, battered wife - the battered "mommy party" wife - to the domineering, aggressive, stern-father, all-powerful "daddy party" husband: the GOP machine. Their way is not "tough love." It's frickin' ABUSE. It's battery! And we get kicked in the teeth over and over and over. Never any kicking back. The GOP didn't have invincible majorities, either, while they ran things. But they bullied and swaggered enough to be intimidating and to make it stick. My question simply is - why can't we not just push but SHOVE back? Give 'em a taste of their own medicine? See how they like it? They're basically bullies. Why else would they have such a geo-political power complex? And bullies don't stop unless somebody MAKES them stop, by shoving it back in their faces. At least, by challenging, blockading, outmaneuvering. Why must we always be the maneuver-ee?

Ballsy is as ballsy does. It seems to me that if our Dems had consistently stood as solid as this time with SCHIP and made more noise about it, said more noticeable things like Pete Stark did (which attracts public and press interest). When more people start speaking out, that strengthens the resolve of those who agree, and encourages some of them to dare speaking out themselves. As that movement gathers momentum, the more you hear from more quarters, the more general public perception receives encouragement and reinforcement to change. Pete Stark spoke up. There was a huge explosive fart of indignation and he backed down. But then, John Garamendi spoke out, thank goodness. linbaugh accused Iraq war veterans who dared to criticize the war and pro-war policymakers as "phony soldiers" and a 12-year-old accident victim are given the scorched-earth treatment complete with death threats - and where was the angry roar in Congress? I know they can do it because they DID roar and shout down that nauseating "mean jean" schmidt when she had the nerve to question John Murtha's patriotism. John McCain didn't erupt like a volcano over what the bush/rove machinery did to him in 2000 in South Carolina - slandering his adopted daughter. Why the hell not? Patrick Leahy should have hung EVERYTHING up in the Senate Judiciary Committee unless he got ALL the paperwork he asked for from the White House. Yet he backed off of that after awhile, finding a way to give bush, again, what he wanted. I've watched panel discussion after panel discussion with two opposing sides (yes, it does seem as though more Democrats are getting face time on TV) where the republi-CON apologist is allowed to spew a number of falsehoods and distortions of fact - and none of it is verbally checked. As it should be. OUT LOUD. No more letting the bad guys have the last word, and say whatever the hell they want without having their deceptions busted. That's. Simply. Got. To. Stop.

We HAVE to keep speaking out, not allowing ourselves to be shouted down, not possible to ignore or downplay. We HAVE to keep at it. It has to become far more commonplace. We have to play harder. It's the only way to show and tell that we ARE hard. It's like dressing the part. Acting as if. The perception becomes the reality. People's resistance tends to wear down after awhile. I think if we stayed forceful and stopped bending and backing down, we might actually turn a little of the intimidation in the opposite direction for a change, and compell more republi-CONS to bend OUR way. They gravitate toward perceived strength, balls, if you will, like moths to open flame. Like maybe five to ten times the pressure of one of those TV MoveOn.org ads that target individual races. TONS of those, not just a few. And hard-hitting language that grabs attention and churns up public debate. The momentum would be moving our way.

Sometimes people who feel inferior or inadequate or insecure are drawn to the perception of "having balls," rattling cages, making a stink, imposing one's will. They're drawn to it. They're drawn to anybody perceived as having those qualities. Makes 'em feel better, like they're more in command and not impotent. bush's swagger and arrogance and his whole "lone cowboy gunslinger who's gonna git 'em, dead-r-alive" schtick feeds that, perfectly. And presto - enough of the public is hooked. Had - at the end of a fork. Because nobody else out there is attracting attention for speaking out and hitting hard - like Pete Stark, unfortunately only for a moment. The message has to be reinforced - THIS way is BAD! ENOUGH OF THIS! It MUST STOP NOW!

CRIMINY! It's late and I am SO rambling. But I'm glad we're talking about this. It's VERY GRAVE stuff. We need to look at it carefully, from many sides. I certainly need to for my own conclusion-drawing and view-finding. Somebody has to. Lord knows we're probably putting more thinking and deliberating time into these issues than some of "the president's finest." You know - all those swell people who plan these things out so carefully and thoroughly, and realistically? :sarcasm: We can't continue to let these people fuck things up!!! It's Just. Not. Acceptable. Especially when Americans and others are needlessly dying.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:53 PM
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8. Very well done!
:toast:

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:07 PM
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13. Cheers back atcha!
:toast:

And one for Nance!

:toast:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:57 PM
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10. Awesome! nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:35 PM
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21. Much obliged.
Dear God, what I wouldn't give to run out of material on this fucker who stole Al Gore's presidency.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 01:01 PM
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32. Ten years after * is dead, there'll still be snarky things to be said about him. You'll NEVER
run out.

I love your posts and the way you write. Congratz on all the good work!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:09 PM
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14. Congratulations Mary!
You rock! :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:37 PM
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18. Thanks!
Merci beaucoup!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:30 PM
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17. Beautifully Crafted, calimary!~
I wish Pete Stark could see your "Things We Saved In The Fire"! He needs to..whatever made him apologize, he still said what he said and as sfpat says.."he needs our Support!" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2116666

"A lone dissenting voice has replaced Pete Stark, now calling from amid flaming hillsides and smoldering, shriveling Democratic party spines. In the clutches of all that desolation, John Garamendi's politically courageous outspokenness is one of the few things we saved in the fire."

Lt Gov John Garamendi said: "..got some doubt about the value of President Bush coming out here" and "I just hope if he does come, he brings more than he brought to New Orleans."http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2126343

I'm glad you're okay out there in California, Mary, and writing such riveting details on the chasm that exists between the corporatemediawhore's propoganda and reality.

Rec'd

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:40 PM
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22. Thanks, zidzi! We are indeed safe and some distance from the fires.
But everyone here in So Cal, anywhere in the basin, is affected by it, even if not physically close by. I picked up the kids from school today, and my son's best friend's little brother said they weren't allowed to have recess outside today, because there's too much smoke and ash and other particulate matter in the air. It's like the really bad first-stage smog alerts we used to have when I was a kid, when outdoor activity was curtailed. REALLY bad for babies and the elderly. I can't imagine what it's like near the fire areas - YOIKES!!! You probably need to go around wearing a gas mask all the time.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:28 AM
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31. I know you're all affected..
I used to live all over San Diego County where the fires are and it's only an UnReal Feeling back here in New York but my Empathy goes out to all you Californians.

I was looking at Encinitas on the "fire map" and there was all this Red around..that didn't look good.

I hope the Santa Anas are ceasing and the Ocean Breezes are coming in to cool the air off. :hug:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:05 PM
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37. Ay-yi-yi, I pretty much fell in love in Encinitas.
So much lovely territory down there. Sad to think what the fires have now done to it. Bad enough that Blackwater wants to move in there. Yeeecccchhhhh!!!
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 04:37 PM
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20. Excellent job, thanks!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:42 PM
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23. A belated Welcome to DU to ya!
:headbang:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:54 PM
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24. My dear calimary!
I can hardly praise your hard-hitting, superb writing enough!

This is just so fucking outstanding!

It made my blood boil, as good writing always does!

K&R

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:17 PM
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25. Wow - thanks for those very kind words!
What I wanted to do with this one is include documentation to buttress the argument that Pete Stark spoke the absolute, if horribly cold and cruel, truth about george w. bush - as the sadistic fuck he is. I'm sorry if that's harsh, but that's what he is. A sadistic fuck. We have plenty of reasons to reach such a conclusion. Plenty of reasons. The NY Review of Books item came from the writings of Sister Helen Prejean - a most credible source on the mentality of those on death row. Her story was dramatized in the film "Dead Man Walking." This snip was taken from her study of bush's mentality/pathology when he was the Lord High Executioner as Governor of Texas - called "Death in Texas." A MOST illuminating piece.

Just in case anybody feels like challenging the idea that our poor dear latter-day messiah george w. bush couldn't possibly find "amusement" in the pain and suffering of others...
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:40 AM
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28. Just wow calimary
:hug: :yourock: :applause: :patriot:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:02 PM
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36. Cheers!
And thank you.

One thing I'd really like to see is a line-by-line rebuttal where some of the bad guys' blatherings are thoroughly taken apart so that not a single lie is left unchallenged. I'd love to have somebody stand up and demand airtime, or have some human machinery dedicated solely by the DNC or some friendly affiliate all set to counter-spin - but really aggressively. I wonder how many times liberal or progressive think tanks or spokespeople or point people actually go out, proactively, to pitch themselves to various TV/network/cable outlets - to make sure THEIR voices are heard. I wonder how many times our side actually gets out there face-to-face to nag these people or call them and ask to be invited on the air to set the record straight. I'm wondering if there are active, first-person campaigns like that. Yes, there are email campaigns, and petition drives, and comment lines and stuff, but something with a lot higher octane - since this is rather a contact sport. It just seems to me that we're not automatically included because I think the mindset of the bookers and lower-level producers or segment producers is so pre-programmed by the VAST glut of CONservatives available to comment and appear on the air and on camera and on mike and in print and online. The wrong-wing think tanks have vigorous and aggressive public relations departments that really push. Damn near force themselves on you, making themselves look ubiquitous - they're everywhere you turn, they monopolize the discussion every chance they get. You can't get a word in edgewise. Well - WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT?

Fair and balanced, after all, 'eh?
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:00 AM
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29. Superb article!! Wow!!!
:applause:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:09 PM
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38. Thank you so much!
The support here makes the "inspiration" for that column a little easier to bear.

GEEZ, I can't wait til this whole miserable, sordid, dark era in American history is OVER!!! Can't end soon enough.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:00 AM
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30. Superb article!! Wow!!!
:applause:
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 01:31 PM
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33. WellCare & California Arson?

www.enterprisecorruption.com
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:49 PM
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34. How did I know
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:37 PM
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35. Absolutely wonderful, Calimary
I so enjoyed reading it. Congratulations for an impressive piece.

Sam
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:54 AM
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39. Hey, Sam!
Glad you enjoyed it.

It was important, to me, to get the documentation in, to prove that this wasn't just some half-cocked blather by Pete Stark, but a statement that's completely justified by the facts - facts to be found in a long track record of dismal and rather shameful behavior.

Every time I saw him making his PR appearances in the fire areas today, I just wanted to scream. I don't care who else you may still be able to fool, george. YOU CAN'T FOOL ME!!! Once a jerk, ALWAYS a jerk.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:28 PM
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40. A BIG kick for the Big Blue State of California
and its political writers who in face of calamity can still stare down those who most need it! You obviously have saved the most important thing of all -- your political face.

Best wishes to you and yours,

Sam

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