Bloomberg/LA Times: Huge lead for Clinton as she kicks the entire GOP field's ass

[rinsd]

Oct. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Two New Yorkers dominate the 2008 presidential race: Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani.

A new Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows that Senator Clinton has opened up a 31-point gap over her chief Democratic rival, Barack Obama, leading 48 percent to 17 percent. She also runs ahead of all Republicans in general-election matchups, with only Giuliani coming close, trailing by 6 percentage points.

The poll shows that a number of Clinton's perceived weaknesses, from her failed 1994 health-care plan to her decision to stay with her husband after he had an affair with a White House intern, aren't liabilities. Driving her support are women voters, a central focus of the Clinton campaign, which is pushing such programs as expanded paid family leave and affordable health insurance.

``Clinton is really solidifying her Democratic support,'' said Susan Pinkus, the Los Angeles Times polling director. ``She is getting the backing of many of the major groups among the Democratic primary voters.''

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The Oct. 19-22 poll surveyed 1,039 registered voters, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points; for Democratic and Republican voters it was 4 points.

More at the link - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aoIddpdWaPSQ&refer=us

Direct link to the poll - http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2007-10/33426628.pdf

[Ellen Forradalom]

1. As Bartcop has noted many times

Always a bad idea to underestimate a Clinton.

[rinsd]

2. Whoops looks like my good friend Elmer beat me to the punch

[SaveElmer]

17. Yeah I cheated and posted it last night...

But considering the number of anti-Hillary posts that get logged on the same topic...two on this won't kill anyone

:-)

[kenfrequed]

3. Thank you MSM

I bow and scrape to teh MAinstream media for giving us the divine truth and granting us the best possible soveriegn, err candidate.

If I wanted a coronation I would move to a monarchy.

[spotbird]

4. Why bother with the election?

They could just flip a coin to decide which neocon will serve next.

[cali]

5. Yes indeedy. Hillary Clinton is no different

from the repukes. Not. And i"m so tired of people throwing around the label neocon as a simple insult, whether it fits or not.

:puke:

[kenfrequed]

6. That is not what I am saying

What I am saying is that we are in the process of being denied a proper discussion of the issues at hand.

What I am saying is that comparing prospective polls based on who the media likes more and gives more time to is a poor way of choosing a candidate.

What I am also saying is that, as a Democrat, I believe in Democracy and I think that, whatever their faults and sins, our founding fathers wanted us to make educated choices.

As to Hillary, I will honestly state that NO she is not my choice as candidate. Yes there are differences in policy between her and whatever republicans might be running, but are these strong enough contrasts to merit my selecting her? And if the most conservative DLC-Friendly Democrat running gets the nod (sorry Biden, you have lately let your spinal column show), what does that say about a movement back to the center-left of the country? What does it say about the Democratic party?

This is more than just one election. Whoever takes office has to have it at the front of their minds to restore democracy and undo all of the aggregious assaults on the constitution over the eight years of Bush and I don't believe Hillary the Triangulator is up to the task.

[cuke]

7. Then stop being so dependent on the media

Nothing is stopping you from having a "proper discussion" of the issue. And the pollsters aren't asking people who the media likes. They're asking voters.

Face the truth, your opinions, principles and political point of view places you not only on the outside the mainstream, but also outside the mainstream of most democrats. Hillary Clinton's approval rate among democrats is sky-high. To not only not approve of her, but to disapprove of her as you so obviously do, puts you at one extreme end of the spectrum

[kenfrequed]

8. "Face the Truth"

Ye gods have you even talked to the American people?

Most of them want Democracy back, the want liberties back, they want Healthcare, they want us out of the WTO, and they want the damned war over yesterday.

To cynically project 'the mainstream' as though you are a part of it and I am not, while not addressing the issues is arrogant and, at the end of the day, not factually supported.

I would also ask what Democrats you have been talking to, because of all the Democrats I have spoken with, as a party activist and a frequent delegate to the process, I would say that Hillary is the least supported.

[cuke]

9. I'm sure you're the only one who talks to Americans

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Dems approving of HRC is just a figment of my imagination. and that like the mainstream you belong to, no one supports HRC.

And the people on DU who say they support her are all paid by her campaign because no one actually likes her. It's all an invention of the media.

[kenfrequed]

11. well

I suppose 'am too' is a perfectly legitimate rsponse to my challenge on the validity of your 'logic' in regards to whether I am in or outside of the majority of the American people.

Good show. I am certainly cowed and will definitely vote for Hillary now. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

[cuke]

13. You really shouldn't talk about logic

after claiming that the media isn't letting you discuss the issues

[kenfrequed]

19. Uhm

As refutations go that one is completely bizarre.

"You shouldn't talk about logic after claiming the media isn't letting you discuss the issues"

Does this even make sense?

Is there even a logical relationship in your argument about my apparant illogic?

Because I accuse the media of reporting excessively on a candidate rather than the issues, somehow I am not allowed to discuss logic?

Help me understand how your argument makes any sense.

[cuke]

20. Try reading your own posts

You complained that the media wasn't letting you discuss the issues.

[kenfrequed]

22. Right

And you fail to address how the various media seems to ignore discussions over issues in favor of following polls and the personality game that is the Hillary candidacy.

You cannot just tell someone "Well read what you said" as a effective retort.

Your arguments are projection.

you have no argument.

[cuke]

26. Let us review what you said

"I bow and scrape to teh MAinstream media for giving us the divine truth and granting us the best possible soveriegn, err candidate.

If I wanted a coronation I would move to a monarchy."

I see nothing about how the media doesn't discuss the issues. All I see is a bunch of overblown rhetoric based on nothing more than you're own hateful feelings. If you wanted to discuss an issue, you shouldn't have acted like a sloganeer

[kenfrequed]

27. Alright..

(glad you got my typos as well)

Refute it.

Give me some shred of evidence that most of media have done something other than hit pieces on Obama and Edwards, ignored Kucinich, inflated Biden, and gushed over Hillary.

Moreover prove to me that these are not personality pieces. Prove to me that they are actually reporting on the issues comparatively and reasonably. Prove to me that 90% of the bilge of the mainstream media outlets is not overwhelmed with process pieces.

You have yet to attack the assertion and you have already managed to spit out a few logical fallacies while decrying my lack of logic or is it my right to attempt to use logic. I lose track sometimes.

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[SaveElmer]

14. The mantra of losing campaigns for 216 years...

The media is to blame...

[kenfrequed]

28. Get used to the song

Because one way or another the HRC backers are gonna have to get used to it.

[antiimperialist]

15. This thread is a duplicate

There is another one in GDP forum about this poll. The most recent one must be merged with the original one.

[rinsd]

16. Hence my post #3.

Though I linked to a different article than the one in Elmer's post and I provided a direct link to the poll.

[jefferson_dem]

18. FWIW: Obama kicks a little repug ass himself - -

:bounce:

Clinton (D) 48%, McCain (R) 38%
Clinton (D) 49%, Romney (R) 34%
Clinton (D) 47%, Giuliani (R) 41%
Clinton (D) 49%, Thompson (R) 38%
Obama (D) 44%, McCain (R) 36%
Obama (D) 42%, Romney (R) 32%
Obama (D) 43%, Giuliani (R) 40%
Obama (D) 46%, Thompson (R) 31%

[cali]

21. All right!

That looks just beautiful.

[ronnykmarshall]

23. Excellent, eh?

I wish they would have posted Edward's numbers as well.

[jefferson_dem]

25. I'm really fired up about this election cycle! Fer real...

...boooya!

[Cameron27]

24. Yea!

Good for Hillary! and Obama!