Prior Permission from Government to be Required for Each Flight

[Somawas]

The Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security are quietly pushing for a set of crazy new rules. All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials and official clearance before every flight, both within the United States as well as internationally.

And Monday we received a new political action alert from Edward Hasbrouk, The Practical Nomad blogger who's been fighting the plan (and who testified about it at a TSA hearing). "The international Advance Passenger Information System rules were published, as 'final' effective February 19,2008, with no further opportunity for public comment even on the changes from the original proposal."



Hasbrouck sees this as a very ominous development. "The Department of Homeland Security can now evade debate on the similar elements of their Secure Flight proposal by claiming that it's needed to 'harmonize' the domestic and international travel restrictions — as though travel within America was tantamount to and subject to the same government restrictions and controls as crossing international borders."


http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/

So how has this quitely happened?

Airposrts really have become the womb of fascism. Now HS wants to spread it nationwide.

[billyoc]

1. Are they wasted? Air travel would come to a grinding halt.

It's an internal visa, with all the attendant paperwork and hassle involved.

Idiots.

[Lasher]

2. Papers, please.

Guess by want to 'harmonize' domestic travel restrictions with those associated with going to Canada. Like if you had a DUI 20 years ago, or if you have been arrested at an anti-war protest, you'll be under virtual house arrest for the rest of your life.

[havocmom]

3. Guess the Airline Industry hasn't given enough in campaign donations

One wonders if We The Taxpayers will be called upon AGAIN to come up with $$ for them as the industry withers and dies a little faster.

Personally, I think most of the 'airport security' was aimed at getting the common citizen to stop using air travel. They always fail tests about smuggling weapons materials on planes while they use brown shirt attitudes to nit-pick about what law abiding citizens are carrying. Seems we have been more tolerant and patient than the policy makers figured on. We still want to travel. Time to surge against travelers a bit more?

How many pilots and other industry workers getting close to what's left of their retirement benefits? Could a breakdown of the industry get some airlines off the hook for retirement payments? Yes, I AM that cynical.

The powers that be don't care about our needs. They probably are uncomfortable with us traveling around freely. They have already been listening to our communications. Perhaps they don't want us sharing info and ideas face to face?

Policies seem to be set by what ever industry has the most pull now. No juice, no way to survive in the new corporate wars for the money. The guys running the airline industry seem to be S.O.L.

If We The People feel free to move about our nation, we might get the idea that we still have freedom. They want us to get over that notion.

It's win/win for the rich and powerful

[Mojorabbit]

4. Here is more and a place

to comment before implementation.
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/index.shtm

[gratuitous]

5. Well, that should placate the terrorists

Since we've had it dinned into our ears how much the terrorists hate us for our freedoms, the Bush administration is working at breakneck pace to abridge, infringe and curtail every amendment in the Bill of Rights so that we'll be safe, safe, safe from any further terrorist attacks. Thank you, O Wise, Kind and Benevolent Ruler Father.

[pnwmom]

6. Nov. 21 is the final date for comments. It's not too late -- we need to DU this.

Here is the link with all the info needed. It's easy. Let's comment.

http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/index.shtm

[Lugnut]

7. Geez

That sounds like my health insurance company's rules.

[gateley]

8. I can't help but think - Checkpoint Charlie. So, when a Dem gets into

the White House, will he or she be able to undo a lot of these abuses? The wire tapping, the no-fly list, restore habeas corpus, etc. etc? Will he or she be able to re-vamp or preferably disband Homeland Security?

Thanks.

[OneBlueSky]

9. that's it! . . . no more flying for me! . . .

oh, wait . . . I don't fly . . .

never mind . . .

[TalkingDog]

10. Look, I say we stop being so Yang about all this.

In martial arts, you learn that sometimes the way to defeat your opponent is to let him push. Not harm you, but to let his attention be so intent on controlling you, that he leaves himself open to being controlled.

Muhammed Ali had the right idea with the rope-a-dope.
The miltary calls it the Pincer Movement.

Let them enact it. Nobody will fly. They will go bust.

And because we live in a capitalist society, the sharks WILL eat their own.
If people refuse to fly then other, probably more eco-friendly, enterprises will spring up to fill in the void.

Use their weaknesses against them.

It takes courage to let some body push you around. Ask Dr. King, ask Nelson Mandela, ask Ghandi.

Have the courage of your convictions.


My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[truebrit71]

11. Is it fascism NOW?

Good grief....

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