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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 05:11 AM
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Barack Obama's honeymoon with the liberal blogosphere is over
When the Illinois Senator, the freshest face in the Democratic field, announced his candidacy earlier this year the who's-who of the influential netroots movement gave him a relatively chilly welcome. Sure, they paid due attention. But it wasn't the enthusiastic embrace that greeted John Edwards, who's been courting the netroots for more than a year and whose campaign is now overseen by Joe Trippi, a certified netroots hero. In the monthly straw poll on Daily Kos, arguably the most influential liberal blog, Edwards has consistently placed first, followed by Obama. No more.

Yesterday's straw poll of 12,369 "Kossacks" showed Edwards at 31 percent, followed by Sen. Chris Dodd at 21 percent and Obama at 16 percent, his lowest placement in the poll. Indeed Obama's standing with the netroots has diminished in recent weeks, following a series of positions that have been criticized by prominent bloggers.

In June Robert F. Bauer, general counsel to Obama's campaign, argued for pardoning Scooter Libby. "A pardon is just what Bush's opponents should want," wrote Bauer, "A pardon brings the president into the heart of the case... compels him to do what he has so far managed to avoid: accept in some way responsibility . . ." To which Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake retorted: "This may be well and fine for a presidential candidate trying to massage a potential pardon into position as a campaign issue, but it's an extremely cynical argument, and I really can't imagine what the Obama campaign was thinking."

Last week two separate incidents left bloggers growing even more frustrated.

On Thursday, after The Post reported that a bill supported by Senate Democrats and GOPers seeks to grant immunity to telecoms who have aided the Bush administration's domestic surveillance program, blogs such as Daily Kos, Firedoglake and MyDD, to name just three, asked their readers to contact Dodd, who's against the bill. "Dodd is now the go-to guy. Losing faith in Obama," wrote Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas.

Two days later, John Aravosis of Americablog pointed out that among those participating in Obama's "Embrace the Change" gospel concert tour in South Carolina -- where Obama is in a heated battle with Sen. Hillary Clinton over the sizable African American electorate, especially black female voters -- is Donnie McClurkin. McClurkin has talked about his own fight against gay tendencies and has called homosexuality a "curse." Touting the gospel tour, Obama's aides issued a release saying, "This is another example of how Barack Obama is defying conventional wisdom about how politics is done and giving new meaning to meeting people at the grassroots level." And Aravovis wrote on Saturday: "Yes, sucking up to anti-gay bigots and joining them on stage -- no, giving them a stage -- is certainly defying conventional wisdom as to how a Democrat becomes president."

Aides to Obama said that the senator "strongly disagrees" with McClurkin's views. "I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community," Obama said in a statement.

"A lot of people held out big hope for Obama early on but he just seems to have fizzled. He's squarely ducked almost every controversy that has come along," Firedoglake's Hamsher told The Trail Monday. "The blogosphere likes people who put their boots on and fight. It has become apparent that this just isn't who Barack Obama is."

OpenLeft's Matt Stoller had even harsher words: "Obama seems to believe that if you say 'change' a thousand times something magical happens. Maybe he can learn about leadership in the spring, when he'll have more free time."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/23/post_145.html
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 05:13 AM
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1. More Proof To Not F--k With John Aravosis
lol!

Obama pissed off so many people, it's not even funny. The after the fact with him responding and not canceling the gathering, killed his campaign totally.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:13 AM
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6. Killed his campagin?
LOL, since when does the blogosphere dictate a campaign?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:35 AM
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40. Dodd kicked Obama's butt in the dkos poll Monday
and before the Obama and Edwards people woke up and piled on to skew the results, he was really kicking butt:

John Edwards 30% 383 votes (final was 32%)
Chris Dodd 25% 319 votes (final was 20%)
Barack Obama 15% 193 votes (final was 16%)
Hillary Clinton 10% 128 votes (final was 9%)
Other 6% 80 votes
Dennis Kucinich 5% 65 votes
No Freakin' Clue 4% 51 votes
Joe Biden 1% 24 votes
Bill Richardson 1% 22 votes
Mike Gravel 0% 7 votes


1272 votes |(last total = 18976 votes)

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/10/22/132221/88/34#c34
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:11 PM
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42. Again, since when does a Kos poll really indicate how someone will
do amoung a broader spectrum of voters?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:20 AM
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2. Thankd Goodness! Now We Can All Vote For That Liberal, Hillary Clinton!
Resistance is futile. All your votes are belong to Hillary, friend of the Middle Class.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:11 AM
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4. Awww poor ManyGoldstein
Your guy is slowly becoming more and more irrelevent, and all you can do is... attack Hillary. How typical.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:11 AM
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5. Hillary has always been irrelevant
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:27 AM
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11. a fine example of someone just having to post something - silly as it is.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:24 AM
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22. Prove it. Facts and links.
Oh wait.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:44 PM
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45. "irrelevant"???
How so? I'm not a Hillary supporter, but she is hardly "irrelevant".
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:33 AM
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14. why is he becoming more and more irrelevant?
has he nothing to say? just why has he become more irrelevant when he`s been able to attract millions of dollars in contributions? i guess the people across this country who support him are becoming more irrelevant everyday according to your statement.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:59 AM
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27. Support dropping... troubles rising...
In a year it will be "Obama... WHO?!?!"
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:05 AM
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3. the comments on this article are very interesting
and no doubt true...the candidates really do`t give a shit about us and no one outside this small world of the internet gives a shit about obama`s indiscretion. they all know that no matter what, we will still vote democratic because there is no where else to go.

it seems it`s dog-pile on obama but hillary gets a free ride on her christian "indiscretions"...
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:15 AM
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7. Hillary needs to worry the company she keeps with Reverend Harold Mayberry
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:25 AM
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23. Prove it. Facts and links.
No? Okay, then.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:18 AM
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8. Bullshit premise alert...There never was a honeymoon
Kos has always been tough on Obama, Jerome Armstrong over at MyDD has had a hard-on for him since Day 1, and the lefty blogosphere, such as it is, has been more favorable to Edwards all along.

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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:20 AM
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9. You saw the poll , he dropped considerably
But think what you want
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:23 AM
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10. Two different things
The head bloggers at these sites, who are quoted in the article, never were in love with Obama. Come back with links that refute that observation, or just keep thinking what you want.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:40 AM
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15. Bullshit premise alert - "head bloggers" are not the liberal blogosphere
But you did say Jerome Armstrong has had a hard-on for Obama since Day 1.

So let's go to the score card...

First, the KOS poll.

In Dec. of 2006 Obama was tied with Edwards at 28% and stayed within single digits of Edwards until March of this year including another statistical tie in Feb. of this year. But Obama has seen a steady decline since August. He's lost 13%.

Next, let's go to the KOS convention. In August. Afterwards, Obama saw his KOS straw poll ratings climb by two and Edwards lost two. The netroots were buzzing about Obama drawing the largest crowds and loudest applauses at the event.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:44 AM
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16. He was once tied in a straw poll on Kos...some honeymoon!
Boy, those were the days. Us Obamatons were high-fiving in the aisles back then, And then the post-Kos convention buzz! You want to talk about euphoria, that put the "honey" in honeymoon.

Try again.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:32 AM
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26. so your contention is because he has never been the runaway favorite...
...there has never been a point where he got mostly favorable response from the netroots (the definition of "honeymoon" in politics)?

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:28 AM
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12. Obama's lack of experience is the reason for this failure of his.
I heard he had started up a rapid response team not long ago.
Looks like his team is asleep at the wheel...
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:31 AM
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13. It seems to me...
... that Obama is trying to copy a page from HRC's playbook, that being "how to play both sides of an issue".

Giving voice to a homophobe while simultaneously pointing out the lip service you've given against homophobia is not going to work.

I had high hopes for Obama but they are dashed. His continual trancelike mantra of "hope" over decisive action is wearing thin. And his attempt to use religion to gain a wider base is contemptible. I don't like it in Reps, I don't need it in Dems either.

Doesn't matter, he's done.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:57 AM
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17. Obama made a good effort for a first-time candidate
He came out of nowhere and made a run for the presidency. A pretty good run at that.

A lot of things doomed his campaign. But I don't see him as a failure. He wasn't going to win. But his glass is still half full. And he will learn from these mistakes. I bet you won't see him on stage with McClurkin four years from now.

In my opinion, the 'agent of change' campaign was never going to get him over the hurdle. Upon further inspection, he's a politician.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:27 AM
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24. Exactly.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:13 AM
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36. I agree. He will not be the nominee this time, based upon not just this,
but a whole laundry list of gaffes and missteps. He has a lot of potential though, and I could see him winning at some future point - he's very young and is quite eloquent. :)
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:00 AM
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18. Probably good news for Obama...
He certainly doesn't need to go down Edwards path which seems to be to campaign for President of the Netroots...

The Netroots are not the base of the party, they comprise a puny portion of the base of the party, and a seemingly unreliable base at that...
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:06 AM
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19. yeah, we aren't a bunch of obedient lockstep BOTS like
party loyalist ASSHOLES wish we were.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:08 AM
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20. Of course you are...
Well not the party loyalist part...but the BOTS part describes modern "progressives" perfectly...
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:14 AM
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21. I think you're right.
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 08:15 AM by LoZoccolo
I get told to get out of here or that I'm a DLC whore quite a bit. Those are basically marching orders from a group with an authoritarian streak. There are constant accusations from this group about who is and who isn't a "progressive".
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:28 AM
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25. That's the Procrustes wing of the Democratic Party.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:07 AM
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28. Yup, I always laugh when I'm called a "DLC whore"
I'm:

-Pro choice
-Pro gay marriage/full gay rights
-For immediate full troop withdrawl
-For impeachment of Bush/Cheney
-For an end to the "war on drugs"
-etc

I'm still not "progressive" enough.
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:46 AM
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33. 1/5 ain't bad, considering your candidate?
You probably get that abuse because the candidate you support can really only be said to support one of those 5 topics you listed.

Sen Clinton is pro-choice, but she doesn't not support gay marriage or full gay marriage rights. She is not in support of immediate full troop withdrawal. She is definitely not for impeachment of Bush/Cheney, nor for an end to the "war on drugs".

I'm not being facetious when I say it probably sucks for you, as a progressive, to perhaps need to append those positions to your sig line? Just to let people you're debating with know that while you support Sen. Clinton, her policy positions should not be assumed to be your own.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:50 AM
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35. I understand that, and I also understand the concept of "compromise"
We are never going to get EXACTLY what we want, EXACTLY when we want it. Things move very slowly, especially in politics. While I may *want* certain things, I understand that it's going to take some time to get there.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:23 PM
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44. I'm not a BOT.
I'm a progressive and think Edwards sucks far worse than Clinton or Obama. I'm a progressive who also realizes Kucinich doesn't have a chance. I'm a progressive without a candidate who will likely write in Wes Clark or Al Gore in both the primary and the general elections.

Of course, I also happen to live in Red Country Central and doubt, seriously, that the corporate candidate our party bosses finally decide upon will beat the Republican.

I don't hold out much hope in 2008. Sorry... not a BOT am I.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:19 AM
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29. Even on DU, his support has SHARPLY dropped
I find very few "hardcore" Obama supporters anymore, and while he used to place very, very high in DU straw polls (he usually beat Hillary by at least 3-1), he's now lucky if he can get half the number of votes of Hillary.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:25 AM
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30. This gizzle blob of bullplop brought to you by...
...resistance is futile...

:puke:






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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:32 AM
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31. This post is another reason why not to vote for Hillary...
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:48 AM
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34. lol. nt.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:39 AM
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32. Good for him. Nobody got elected following those yahoo's
advice anyways.

Jane Hamsher is the genius who put up a picture of Joe Lieberman in blackface.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:37 AM
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37. And you don't think Clinton will be the next victim of this attack machine?
It's easier to destroy Obama on things like parking tickets, and memes about how "black" or homophobic he is. With Clinton it will take a lot more work to make it stick, but believe me, they will find a way.

You see, the master plan is to ensure that Edwards is the nominee, because, according to Edwards and many others, only a white man can win in the South.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:43 AM
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38. Oh, they still hate Clinton.
They've just decided to effectively remain neutral by boosting Dodd.

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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:51 AM
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39. I think Hillary will know how to fight back
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:43 AM
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41. Yep, I think so too.
Clinton and Biden are the two who I think will probably fight back with the most success. Clinton #1 though.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:16 PM
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43. I've never gotten why the netroots so adores Edwards.
Do they not remember him from the Senate? From the 2004 election?

Obama, I understood - fresh face, anti-war and all - but Edwards? He who voted for the war, the NCLB act, the PATRIOT Act, the destruction of Yucca Mountain, the first Bankruptcy Bill, etc.

:shrug:

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