Cynthia McKinney's categorical rejection of anti-Semitism

[bos1]

"Anyone who makes blanket denunciations of Jews or 'the Jew' is certainly not a supporter of mine, not a staff member, not a consultant to, nor is welcome to be a volunteer in my campaign."

http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/blog.php?id=50

For the record.

[Freddie Stubbs]

1. So, her father is not a supporter of her?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

2. Countless DUers have told of having bigoted relatives

Are people with bigoted relatives supposed to disown them, especially if they're one of those "stubborn elderly" types?

[rinsd]

3. Mel Gibson apologized too.

Doesn't change who he is.

And let's see why McKinney apologized from her own link

"Everybody who puts on a T-shirt isn't a McKinney supporter, and everybody who stands around with folded arms in some doorway is not playing security in any campaign of mine. It's come to my attention that several errant individuals at and near my campaign office on election night uttered some unfortunate remarks including singling out a Jewish member of the press.

The people who made those remarks were not associated with my campaign in any formal way, and I want to make clear from this hour that any informal ties between me and my campaign and anyone holding or espousing such views are cut and renounced. The fact that the remarks occurred after some verbal and other provocation initiated either by members of the press or so-called security people attached to members of the press is no excuse for the content of the remarks themselve"

And I see no apology from her about people calling Hank Johnson Uncle Tom.

[...of J.Temperance]

28. You deserve

Commending for your posts in this thread, you gave some perfect illustrations of the bigoted McKinney family.

[Cameron27]

4. These are some of the remarks:

"Following McKinney's concession speech, a reporter attempted to ask the Congresswoman why she thought she lost. The New Black Panther member interrupted, shouting, "Why do you think she lost? You wanna know what led to the loss? Israel. The Zionists. You. Put on your yarmulke and celebrate."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4869_12.htm


"You ain’t in Israel, and this ain’t no Lebanese people, back all up. Gonna get your Jewish ass."

McKinney has so far refused to comment to local Atlanta television stations about her supporter’s remarks, but she did finally call Johnson Wednesday and formally concede the race."

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/aug/10/ga_04_mckinney_supporters_jews_to_blame_for_her_loss

edited/ didn't notice date of blog

[rinsd]

5. The blog is dated from around the time that happened.

[Cameron27]

6. Thanks, I missed the date.

[bos1]

10. So someone in the crowd yells something and it's McKinney's fault?

What a joke.

How far does she have to bend over backwards to clearly state she doesn't want anti-Semiticism about her?

[rinsd]

11. When its her supporters, yes.

You think its a coincidence that her father blames her previous defeat on Jews claiming they bought everyone off and 4 years later a crowd of her supporters just happens to echo those sentiments.

The McKinney campaign was playing up those sentiments. You can see it in stories in the Atlanta Progressive news.

And I love how they called Hank Johnson, a good man who has done Democrats proud with his voting record in the House, an Uncle Tom.

I see that is apparently ok as McKinney didn't mention it in her apology.

[bos1]

12. That reasoning is worthy of Limbaugh...

It's a CROWD. One yells something and she gets blamed. She categorically rejects it and that's not bending over backwards far enough for you.

I notice your Clinton photo. If one of her supporters yells "Nuke Islam", will Hillary automatically be an Islamophobic monster? And forever, no matter what she says????

typo edited

[rinsd]

15. A crowd of her supporters and her security people not some random crowd of people

McKinney is the one who brought that campaign to its disgusting low levels encouraging talk of Hank Johnson as an Uncle Tom (Hank-erchief was a favorite "nickname" amongst McKinney supporting progressives). Just like when one of her supporters called Denise Majette an oreo in a column during 2002(irony being that he was white) and felt quite comfortable doing so.

"She categorically rejects it and that's not bending over backwards far enough for you."

Because if it wasn't on tape and so connected to her group of supporters, she wouldn't have said shit.

Just like she said nothing about her father doing the same.

[tkmorris]

20. You'd better hope candidates aren't .........

You'd better hope candidates aren't held responsible for remarks made by their supporters. Just sayin'.

[rucky]

22. my thoughts exactly. n/t

[rinsd]

45. Ummm cnadidates ARE held responsible for what their supporters say.

If someone at a Hillary rally yelled out a racial remark about Obama and was picked up by audio &/or video, you think she wouldn't suffer political consequences?

If an Obama supporter did the same, you think he wouldn't have to deal with fallout?

If you were referring to DU, then every candidate is fucked because every candidate has at leats one supporter who acted like an asshole.

[bos1]

34. Answer the question about Clinton then

If at a rally one of her supporters yells "Nuke Islam", will Hillary automatically be an Islamophobic monster, forever, no matter what she says, no matter how many times disavows those words?

According to you, the answer is yes.

[rinsd]

46. Nuke Islam doesn't even make sense but yes she would catch heat for it.

Let's take this one even further....

I suppose if she also had a father who made nasty remarks about Islam numerous times to the press and if one of her re-election campaigns made Islamic money raised by her opponent an issue and if after being defeated in a primary one of her supporters yelled out Nuke Islam in addition to other supporter making similar anti-Islamic remarks which was caught on video causing her to issue a lukewarm apology for the latest incident, then yes I would say Hillary should be considered Islamophobic.

[conscious evolution]

38. What is this Atlanta Progressive news?

I live here in Atl and I have never heard of any such newspaper.
And who is calling Johnson an Uncle Tom?This is the first time I have ever heard the term used to describe him.
Sound like a riech wing farting point to me.

[rinsd]

47. One of McKinney's supporters does so in the video.

Hankercheif head appears to be the slur most used with Johnson (play off his name I suppose).

Atlanta Progressive News is small circulation progressive paper that was posted here frequently by McKinney supporters during the primary. http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/

[conscious evolution]

57. Thanks for the link

[Cameron27]

14. Of course not and I didn't call McKinney antisemitc,

but I have three questions:

1. Have members of the "New Black Panther Party" ever been part of her security team?

"The fact that she has frequently included The New Black Panther Party -- which is perhaps the largest organized anti-Semitic and racist Black hate group in America-- in her security entourage is extremely troubling."

2. Why didn't she include the name of that group along with a condemnation, in her blog?

3. Where is her apology for the racist comment about Hank Johnson?

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4869_12.htm

[bos1]

36. Fair enough,

I may have been addressing other posters who have been rather rabid. But..

1. "including individuals associated with the New Black Panther Party" is rather indirect. I agree it's troubling. I also wonder if McKinney feels cornered into not knowing who to trust.

2. Would you want to make public enemies with the New Black Panther Party? Isn't a blanket condemnation of anti-Semitism enough?

3. She didn't apologize because she didn't say it?

[Cameron27]

44. Thanks for replying.

I think you've made some pretty good points, and I agree with you, but I'm still bothered by the fact that the ADL hasn't changed it's position. As far as I know, they've been fair and reasoned in their past judgments so I usually rely on their opinion.

Anyway, thanks for being civil in your response. I'll check to see if I missed an update or revision at their site.

[Donnachaidh]

24. with some of the McKinney haters on DU - she could swallow her own feet backwards

and STILL they'd find a reason to diss her. :shrug:

[Karenina]

37. Indeed, they go apoplectic

just reading her name! :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. So now we are holding candidates responsible for things their supporters say?

[rinsd]

48. Yes. If someone at a candidate's rally yells a bigoted remark, you think the candiate won't suffer?

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Actually no I don't

But we could just control the crowd and shut up the dissenters, like Bush does.

[sniffa]

7. oh, no she's a bigot

some DUer has said that about 500+ times since yesterday. good thing i don't seem him on this thread.

[...of J.Temperance]

25. I'll say it then, just for you....

McKinney is a bigot....and I thank rinsd for illustrating why she is.

Oh and you said:


"good thing i don't seem him on this thread."


I'm a girl.

[LeftyMom]

26. Did you misplace your DLC avatar/warning label?

[...of J.Temperance]

27. No I didn't, actually what I did was

Considering I'm for Hillary Clinton, I thought it was time I had a Hillary 2008 avatar.

I'm still DLC, read my signature line....I was born a DLCer and I'll die a DLCer.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

30. Actually, I don't think the DLC was founded till after you were born, but

never mind.

[...of J.Temperance]

31. I already know that

But what the DLC represents, somehow must have already have been in me from the beginning.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. But you don't live in the USA

Are you a US citizen? If not, you can't vote for Shillary.

[...of J.Temperance]

51. I was

Born in Lafayette, Louisiana....I have an American passport.

Further proof that you have no idea what you're talking about....myself and my Mother are also in Democrats Abroad.

Okay? Now shaddup talking about things, unless you ACTUALLY know what the heck you're talking about.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. And once again, you have no link to support what you say

But I think I can play this game!

I have a co-worker who says she is going to vote for Hillary. And my co-worker is a bigot. So therefore, I am concluding Hillary is a bigot.

Oops! Hillary just lost my vote!!

[...of J.Temperance]

52. Lol! rinsd GAVE links to show what we're talking about

The McKinney family are bigots....nobody still can find where Cynthia apologized for calling Hank Johnson an "Uncle Tom" either.

A bigot....if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then chances are, it's a duck.

The Democratic Party is better off without the likes of Cynthia McKinney.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. I guess Cynthia McKinney's calling you a liar.

It's right there in the OP.

What are you going to do about it?

[IndianaJones]

8. she is a bigot. for the record. nt.

[bos1]

9. someone who shouts BIGOT at those who reject bigotry are WORSE THAN A BIGOT.

[Rhythm and Blue]

19. Only if the person "rejecting" bigotry is actually not a bigot covering their ass. nt

[LanternWaste]

13. Can you provide a precise and relevant quote directly from her...

Can you provide a precise and relevant quote directly from her own mouth which illustrates or exemplifies the label 'bigot' you used?

[rinsd]

16. Here's her website linking to an article in which a white supporter calls Denise Majette an Oreo

http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/articles.php

7th article down

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/041106_beloved_mckinney.shtml

An Oreo black candidate named Denise Majette emerged as lots of money poured from the coffers of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) funded not only a hate campaign against McKinney, but in support of her opponent as well. Illegally, thousands of Republican voters crossed over to vote for the Oreo in the primary while the seat stayed safely Democratic, and all were quietly relieved when Cynthia didn’t even make it to the general election.

[FredScuttle]

17. We're still waiting for a DIRECT quote from McKinney

thanks

[rinsd]

18. Why would she link to such a thing on her website?

Coupled with remarks by her father, the tone of her 2002 campaign vs Majette and the comments of people who worked for her after her defeat, I would say her categorical rejection is neither categorical nor a rejection.

[FredScuttle]

53. We've still got only one direct quote from McKinney in this thread

and it is, yes, a categorical rejection of anti-Semitism.

I'm still waiting for you to back up your smear of this woman with some actual proof.

[LanternWaste]

54. I'm afraid I may not have been very clear...

I'm afraid I may not have been very clear...

I was requesting a direct and relevant quote from her-- not a family member, not a supporter, not a puppy, not even a friend.

The allegation of bigotry is a rather harsh one, and I happen to believe one must be very careful in using the word, and even more careful in supporting the allegation. I have yet to see either.

[bos1]

35. I provided a precise quote of McKinney REJECTING anti-Semiticism. The DLC liars never

did put up.

"Put up or shut up" is apt in this case

[oasis]

49. What has McKinney said that has sold you on her bigotry? Please be specific.

[stimbox]

21. The usual DLC attack chihuahuas got nothing...

As usual. Yap, yap, yap.

[druidity33]

23. so true... nt

[ruggerson]

29. In other news, Josef Goebbels was warmly received today by the Anti Defamation League

news at 11

[ulysses]

56. McKinney equates to Goebbels?

Good lord. :eyes:

[LWolf]

32. I like McKinney.

DU hasn't, and won't, change that. :hi:

[robinlynne]

33. She is spectacular. I met her, at a house full of jews, by the way.

[conscious evolution]

39. The largely Jewish nieghborhood

where I lived in 2006 had a lot of signs supporting her also.

[LWolf]

43. I'll be watching her this time next year. n/t