Who thinks Pelosi has to go?

[Richardo]

Great. Move here and vote.



Otherwise, you got no say in the matter.

[TheUniverse]

1. Got no say in our elected representatives voting for her as speaker of the house?

[Richardo]

6. No.

That's up to your representative. And if you want to use support for Pelosi's Speakership as a litmus test for his or her re-election, good luck to you. :patriot:

[TheUniverse]

11. I thought I had the right to vote for whoever I want.

[Richardo]

13. You do!

But to change your representative, at least 50.000001% of your fellow citizens have to join you.

[TheUniverse]

14. So I have a say.,

My say may not big big, but I still have a say.

[Hieronymus]

38. She is a member of congress and only those who live in the 8th district

can vote for her.

[Baby Snooks]

28. Well that is an option...

Maybe we should pressure our own representatives to force her to step down. "Her or you next time at the polls."

[CreekDog]

56. The same ones that just voted for her to be Speaker

Are going to tell her to step down now?

Uh huh, dunno what you're smoking, but I, well, I don't smoke.

[sundog]

2. richardo!

:thumbsup:

[Richardo]

25. !!

:hi:

[SHRED]

3. I don't know if she should go but...

...her "pray for Bush" ramblings to Chris Wallace of FAUX made me want to puke.


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[Art_from_Ark]

4. As Speaker of the House, she is a national figure

as she sets the agenda for the House. What she does can have an effect on all Americans. She's not just Jane Blow Congresswoman.

[Richardo]

21. I agree. I said the same about DeLay in the 109th Congress.

But I live outside of Texas District 22, so I had no say in his status as the chief asshole of the House.

[Dr Fate]

5. Doesnt work that way. She represents the majority party in congress.

I think card carrying Democrats from places out side yours and my neck of the woods can have their say.

Assuming they are also working in their own districts, if they want to donate their money & time to a DEM running against her, that is acceptable behavior to me as well.

It's like saying that I should not have supported Lamont against Lieberman, or that as an SF resident I shouldnt phone or write to Harry Reid.

[partylessinOhio]

7. As squeaker she represents all the people. Tough turkey!

She is a failure.
:thumbsdown:

[CreekDog]

58. Oh a failure? And did you end the Iraq War in the last 9 months?

Maybe it's you who is the failure, by your own standard of course.

[Bicoastal]

8. I think your point is--Why do people want her out of CONGRESS?

Wouldn't it just be easier to start looking for a new Speaker? No one ever had a problem with her until she took the reigns of the House--but for the most part, she represents that 3/4 of San Francisco quite well, it seems to me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. We don't get to vote for her as speaker

unless we get elected to Congress.

[LittleClarkie]

26. No, you only vote for the people who vote for her

is all.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Fuck that.

If she wants to resign as speaker, fine. I will no longer give a fuck about her.

But as long as she purports to speak for all House Democrats, not for just her district, then she speaks on MY behalf so I damn well DO have a say.

[Richardo]

12. How?

:shrug:

I mean, you can rant all you want to the choir on a message board, and more power to you. But what else?

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. LTTEs, emails to my congresscritters, whatever strikes my fancy.

What she does has effects far outside her sad little district - and by that I mean that despite my fond memories of SF, it's sad that she represents that fine town - so outside pressure being brought upon her is entirely justified. If she wants to represent her district only, and be responsible only to that district, let her turn the speaker's seat over to someone who knows what to do with it.

[Dr Fate]

34. Careful what you wish for. I remember when they said Lamont didnt have a chance for the nom.

Yet enough outside help from the "key board brigade nutroots" gave him the boost he needed.

I'm not saying that anyone that I know of at this point could unseat her-I'm just saying that some people on the internet do more than just type.

Everyone said it would never happen to Joe- that's all I'm saying.

In the event that someone in the future did pull it off, she could always go full on DLC and join Lieberman's party. ;)

[parmenides]

15. After Quotes Like This...

in today's Wash. Post?

<blockquote>"I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things -- Buddhas? I don't know what they were -- couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk."

Unsmilingly, she continued: "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."</blockquote>

How flippant is that? Together with her unqualified reasoning and twisted logic concerning impeachment and funding in Iraq(a waste of time-the Constitution?-and supporting the troops, respectively? I'd say yes, she has to go.

Kucinich for President, for change, for Democracy!

[Dr Fate]

33. She is essentially equating her own base to homeless folks. How charming.

I guess next she will accuse me of shooting up and crapping in Golden Gate Park- LOL!!!

Poooor Nancy has to see a few citizens who disagree with her & Bush- if only the troops knew of her trials & tribulations!!

[CreekDog]

59. Code Pink is not Pelosi's base

Geez, get a clue.

Pelosi's base is still for the most part planning to vote for her.

If you want to find the Code Pink people, I advise you to scour the Ralph Nader voters instead.

[tandot]

16. Voters in District 8 are apparently satisfied with her since 1987

otherwise they wouldn't have elected her again. We live in the 4th district with asshole Doolittle as our representative. I'd love to have Pelosi instead.

[Richardo]

22. Me too.

Instead of the choice of 1) a GOP incumbent running unopposed, or 2) nobody, like I have every two years.

[Name removed]

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[Richardo]

18. Baaaah hahahahahahahaha....*inhale* hahahahahaha

[Name removed]

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[Susang]

37. "Fuck off, Republican troll"??

:wtf:

Where do you get off on telling long time DUers that they're trolls?

[Name removed]

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[asthmaticeog]

42. I fail, utterly, to see how the OP breaks this rule.

YOU, on the other hand, and your friend Mr. Sagle, are in clear violation of DU's rule against personal attacks. I'd quote it to you, but it looks like you already know where to find the rules.

[CreekDog]

60. He gets off DU (with a little help) teehee nt

[Jim Sagle]

31. Self delete

[Richardo]

44. I haven't seen a leap like that since Bob Beamon in 1968....

How is the OP "gloating about the Democratic base's powerlessness"? I'm merely pointing out that there's one sure way to remove Nancy Pelosi from office - vote her out. It's a suggestion for all those who petulantly call for her 'impeachment', 'recall' or any number of idiotic schemes that "we" must do to have another Speaker installed.

[madrchsod]

19. way to rich for my blood..

like it or not it up to those people in her district to decide her fate not me and that`s what america is all about. i`d gladly trade nancy for fat denny anyday

[Richardo]

20. ...or any one of the Bushbot automatons in Texas.

It is NO fun here, believe me. :pals:

[Richardo]

23. Gee, no recommendations?

What a surprise.

[TreasonousBastard]

27. Not when I can piss, moan, and whine on a...

message board and pretend I'm doing something.

Come on now, what's the point of a democracy if I can't have my way?

[Richardo]

45. ..

:rofl: + :patriot:

[EstimatedProphet]

48. Well put

I believe you just summed up GD:P in 2 sentences!

[Hawkowl]

29. Actually we do have a say!

And it is apparently in the only language she understands! Vote by contributing $$$ to an opponent in the dem primary.

[CreekDog]

62. Of course there is no opponent in the Dem primary

Gosh, all that "supposed" agitation towards Pelosi and not a challenger in the primary that anyone can name. I can't and I work here, but live in the 12th.

[calteacherguy]

32. Nancy Pelosi is the greatest speaker of the House in the History of America.

Go Nancy, go!!!!!!

:woohoo:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

35. Yeah right. And Bush is smart.

nt

[Norrin Radd]

36. We should've all moved to Iowa.

[Yukari Yakumo]

39. Anyone who says "Yes" to the question deserves to be tombstoned. {nt}

[Senator]

41. All That's Needed Is A Good Primary Candidate

I keep recommending that someone have a chat with Matt Gonzales.

Medea Benjamin inspired him to "go Green." Maybe her Code Pink act-upism can inspire him to get in Pelosi's -- and the rest of the DC Dems' face.

He's a proven vote-getter.

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[Didereaux]

43. BULLSH*T! I have a valid interest in the SPEAKERS post!

Who the San Francisco people choose to be their representative is their bailiwick...BIT by gawd everyone else has an equal share in who the hell is the Speaker of the House! And I say it should NOT be Pelosi: she had her chance to strut her stuff, and she isn't up to the job, period!

[EstimatedProphet]

49. Life's really hard, isn't it?

[Name removed]

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[EstimatedProphet]

47. No! I demand we change the Constitution instead!

It is unfair that we can't pick the Speaker! We should have only the most ideologically pure person as Speaker!

I want to be Speaker!

[mmonk]

50. Anybody who is in government and takes or abandons

actions that affect me, my life, and or liberty allows me by the right granted by the constitution of the United States through it's first amendment to have a say in the matter.

[w4rma]

51. I unequivocally do not think she should go or even give up her leadership position.

I do however not feel the same way about Rahm Emmanuel or Steny Hoyer.

[Totally Committed]

52. I do. She's a disgrace.

No offense to the Pelosi-lovers here and elsewhere. But, she is a lame-ass piece of work.

TC

[CreekDog]

63. If she goes, then it's Speaker Hoyer or Speaker Emmanuel

Do you prefer that? The first being more likely than the second.

You guys aren't good chess players are you?

[bluedog]

53. do you prefer Dennis Hastert (R)??

or another GOP'er?

[Richardo]

54. Uh, no.

Where did you get that from? :shrug:

[CreekDog]

55. Not me and it wouldn't change anything for the better

She didn't start the war, she didn't want it and she doesn't want it to continue.

Replacing her as speaker will not make it happen unless the votes to end it materialize in congress.

[Richardo]

61. OK you, stop with the logic and common sense and stuff

That's not allowed in GD-P.

;-)

[CreekDog]

66. I know, where are the mods when you need them (I kid...)

Further, I wonder if the initial recommendations were from people who didn't catch the irony before recommending.

[Richardo]

67. Possibly - my irony is impenetrable sometimes.

I think some of my detractors here had the same difficulty.

[defendandprotect]

57. That's not exactly true -- many monied influences OUTSIDE OF THE STATE will help elect her ---

[CreekDog]

65. I take it you are saying SF voters are too dumb to vote for anybody else?

Because you are saying that big money from out of state will keep her in her office even though the voters are going to make that decision.

Please don't make fun of SF voters, they make better decisions than nearly every community.

[defendandprotect]

68. What I am saying is that many OUT-OF-STATERS will INFLUENCE your election ---

And that is true in every state election where DC lobbists have interests ---

Stop being so defensive -- you know the reality of this --

Yes, SF will vote -- just as people in every state will vote -- but there are outside influences which can sometimes be very effective.

California's many referendums, beginning with Proposition #13 and moving on to the Gray "recall" don't seem to have necessarily originated in California --

[CreekDog]

70. Out of staters will "try", but SF voters have been ignoring them

...adeptly for decades.

Pelosi is well liked in San Francisco by us regular folk too.

I was excited when she became Speaker, but I also didn't think she could end the war because she had to have the 1) votes to defund it or 2) votes to end it by veto proof margin.

The first only required a majority, but she didn't have a majority that would support a defense bill without money for the troops. The second requires a veto proof margin which isn't there, though she did have the guts to pass the thing.

So, she has done what she could and I think will keep trying as the opportunities arise, but one reason she was whip for a while is that she can count votes and her counting is telling her that it will not move --yet.

[defendandprotect]

71. Outside influences have succeeded in turning the state over to Repugs -- Swartzenneger, for one--

and in removing Gray --
Your Enron scandal went on almost uninterrupted until you had lost huge amounts of money --

Pelosi can end the war -- see Kucinich -- and everyone else who is telling you there are NO bills she has to bring to the floor -- including further funding for the war; except to bring troops home.

Nor does she have to bring any other Bush vile legislation to the floor --

Nor, their appointees --
Do you think the GOP moved on Clinton appointees?
They buried them -- permanently --

Pelosi has lost at least three good opportunities to get us out of Iraq --
Pelosi is part of DLC and establishment politics which is basically Republicanism in the Democratic party ---

[CreekDog]

72. Pelosi is not part of the DLC and is not "basically Republican-ism"

Now you are just "screeding" and bandying talking points without any evidence.

You say she had opportunities, but you don't list them. Nice.

I explained what happened in short but with enough detail to explain why Nancy, the antiwar congresswoman from San Francisco, could not get her caucus and her house to end this war.

This is just terrible on your part. Perhaps you should try to become a talking head for the Democratic side on Fox News, they could use you.

[stimbox]

74. Two of her biggest advisors are DLC

Hoyer & Emmanuel.
Nancy's actions are pure DLC.

She has abandoned/ignored her constituents.

[CreekDog]

76. Hoyer is majority leader, not Pelosi's "advisor"

Do you know the difference between Majority Leader and "advisor"? Rhetorical question, because if you do know, then you are lying, if you don't, then you are ignorant.

Second, Rahm is part of the leadership, namely was charged with winning seats in 2006, which he did and not because they are "in league" policywise does he still have a seat at Nancy's table, but because he delivered on what he was tasked with. That's how politics works and you know not one whit of that.

"Politicians make for strange bedfellows".

Ever wonder why that phrase was coined and is still used? Because politicians who don't agree get together on things all the time to increase their power. Nancy will use Rahm if he helps her get the power she wants, even if they disagree on 95% of things. Same with Hoyer.

Before you screed about politicians and their supposed alliances, you should back them up with substance and not make the careless and thoughtless mistakes in posting that you just made here.

[stimbox]

80. Here ya go.

Nice article about her circle of advisors and confidants.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/12/19/MNGVHN29211.DTL

[CreekDog]

81. But she didn't choose Hoyer, the caucus chose him

They are on the same team because the caucus put them all together on the same team.

Duh.

Stop being thick, this isn't a junior high lunch clique, it's politics where people are thrown together for reasons other than they just love each other and each other's positions.

[stimbox]

82. And he's not advising her, how?

He's majority leader, no?
He's DLC, no?

Who's being thick now?

Who knows she might be doing a better job, if she had different advisors/financial backers.

[CreekDog]

83. She HAS to work with Hoyer because he holds votes in her caucus

And you are being thick, yes you.

If this was just about making up her own mind, Nancy doesn't need any advisors, but this is about getting votes for items the leadership (Nancy, Hoyer, Rahm) are pushing. She can't get votes for things if she excludes the people gathering votes for the things she wants.

Grow up.

[stimbox]

84. So you admit it.

They are her advisors, one officially and the other not so much, and both are DLfuckin'C.
So she has sold us out by going along with Rahm and Steny.
Oh you grow up.
hahahahahaha.

[CreekDog]

85. If she wants to pass anything, they've got to be on board

Or its not happening dufus.

The amazing thing is that for supposed DLCers (ooo, ick) she has gotten their support on measures to end the Iraq War which led to a majority vote in favor of withdrawal.

But then you are just about guilt by association and name calling.

You do your movement very little good actually.

[stimbox]

86. Lame.

:evilgrin:

[CreekDog]

87. Coming from you, that's a compliment

[stimbox]

90. Can you be more lame?

[CreekDog]

93. only if i changed my mind and agreed with you

[stimbox]

96. that was so funny i forgot to laugh.

[CreekDog]

97. At least you and I agree on Bill Murray and Gilda Radner

They rock

[defendandprotect]

100. Nancy is "Establishment" and will follow corporate interests . . .

[defendandprotect]

99. DLC WATCH thinks that Hillary is a "Charter Member of the DLC" . . .!!!!

http://dlcwatch.blogspot.com/

QUOTE:
I know what you're thinking. "but...but...Hillary voted against it!" And Hillary is a Charter Member of the DLC. Yeah, I know.

But that's the point. Hillary has no - zero - credibility problem with the DLC. As a candidate, however, she has a credibility problem the size of Siberia over her support of the war for the past 6 years. She had nothing to lose with the DLC and everything to gain with the base if she voted against the supplemental. It wasn't going to pass anyway and she gets points, finally, for standing up for something when it didn't cost her anything or even threaten to cost her anything.

No, as long as the DLC runs the Democratic party, THIS WAR WILL NOT END until things get so bad that the corporate support for it melts away.UNQUOTE

And we only have a little thing like a 5 year "ILLEGAL" war at stake --
and it's bankrupting America --

[defendandprotect]

101. And Kucinich says: "DLC is the same as Republican Neo-cons " ---

OUCH -- !!!!

[defendandprotect]

98. If Pelosi isn't part of the DLC, she is none the less helping their agenda ---

the opportunities were in keeping language in that would ensure that Bush didn't invade Iran --
and in stopping new funding for the war ---

the FISA bill did not have to give retroactive cover to Bush ---

there is another funding bill coming up; she does not have to bring it to the floor.

We'll keep explaining this to you -- Pelosi can do what Repugs have done before her . . .
not bring bills to the floor -- period. No vote.
If she brings a new Iraq funding bill to the floor, it will pass.

You're trying to deflect information . . . we'll we'll keep trying to get you to understand that Pelosi has power -- power which Repugs always used when they were the minority.


If you still don't get it, READ what Kucinich is telling the Democratic leaders in his video which is on the front page still ---

Kucinich may be able to get the message across to you ---

[LWolf]

64. I do, and I'm not moving back to CA.

The reality is that, in her position as speaker, she isn't just representing her district.

[OzarkDem]

69. You can keep her as your representative

we just want her out of leadership. Replace her with a progressive pit bull who will smack down Hoyer and Emmanuel and crack the whip on the Dem caucus.

[ronnykmarshall]

78. "We"?

You got a mouse in your pocket?

[CreekDog]

79. Her caucus chose Rahm and Hoyer

So the Dems in the House choose Pelosi, Hoyer and Rahm.

The Democrats in the House chose those people, what does that tell you about them putting in a pit bull for progressivism? It should tell you that the Dems are not all pit bull progressives.

Thus, for Pelosi to actually represent her Democrats in the House, progressive as she is, her caucus is not nearly as much, as evidenced by Hoyer's election.

[knight_of_the_star]

91. Something to point out

You do realize that 1.) Those two are the most likely to replace her and 2.) I doubt you could find anyone other than a Blue Dog who could keep the BDB in line.

[stimbox]

73. I already live in District 8 and Nancy gets no more support from me.

And I actually get to vote on this, unlike the OP and everyone else who doesn't live in District 8.

Ha Ha Ha

Too bad, so sad, your Dad.

[applegrove]

75. Hell no. She isn't responsible for the Dems not having 60 seats in the Senate. That is the

fault of voters in America. Personally I am glad she refuses to go for impeachment. It would only produce sympathy for Bush and take over the whole agenda of the legislature. Right now the Democrats can go issue by issue and distance themselves from the GOP while painting the GOP for who they really are. And it is working.

[Speciesamused]

77. Me

She is a dud....

[Didereaux]

88. Okay, I can't vote for her, but any of us can send one of these...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12461951@N03/


..............

[conscious evolution]

89. I say she has to go

And no I don't have to live in her district to say so.
If I did live there you can rest assured I would write-in Cindy Sheehan on the Democratric ballot in the primary election.But I don't so instead I will settle for encouraging others to do so.

[knight_of_the_star]

92. Won't happen here

My left toe knows more about how Congress works than Sheehan.

[conscious evolution]

94. Then run your left toe for congress

cause pelosi sure as hell isn't doing a good job of ending the war or holding bushco accountable for their crimes.

[puffymuffins]

95. She doesn't have to go, she has to wake up. n/t

[defendandprotect]

102. WE have to find a way to wake her up -- and undo DLC damage ---