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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:26 AM
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WHY is she "inevitable"?
I'm not good at being told what to do.I like to come to my own conclusions on my own timetable.

It seems "she's inevitable" has become a big part,perhaps the biggest part of her camapign strategy.

Is it the money? she has loads of it. but I don't like to think a nomination can be bought.

Is it the weak competition for the nomination? No strongest field in many years


Is it her wild popularity? I don't see it. Competant.. yeah.... loved and admired... not so much.

Is it her experience as first lady and senator from NY?... doesn't seem that earth shattering.

OR.. is it just a very clever sales pitch? the kind where your not even aware your being sold?

Why is she "inevitable"? Thats what I'd like an answer to.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:37 AM
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1. She's no more inevitable than she was yesterday
when this question was posed at least twice. Or the day before when it was also posed.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:59 AM
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3. One vote for the clever sales pitch
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:06 AM
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5. one vote for a completely paranoid and pathetic post.
Hate to break this to you, Karnak, but I'm strongly opposed to Hillary as the dem nominee.

Bzzzt. Try again.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:31 AM
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25. Not everyone reads DU daily, Cali.
Let him/her ask his/her question.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:45 AM
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28. That wasn't a question, it was an accusation. n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:40 AM
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2. Hillary is inevitable because the MSM like the GOP is dictating so... that's
about all I can figure. Why isn't Obama wearing a lapel pin? why isn't Hillary or Edwards wearing one either, pretty sad day in America when shit like this even makes it's way to a so called news event.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:03 AM
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29. I think you're right. The GOP want Hillary, for two reasons.
1) They think they can either beat her honestly OR steal the election as they have the last two -- make it look like a 'close race' but set it up that they win.

2) Even if she does win it won't mean fundamental change in US foreign policy. The bogus 'war on terror' will continue and the corporate strangle hold on the American mind and pocket book will continue.

I think America needs strong, new leadership. Visionary leadership. I don't see that in Clinton. I do see that in other contenders such as Kucinich and Gore (if he were to declare). I don't think the GOP/Corporate state want either of them or anyone remotely like them.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 04:03 PM
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38. I think you are exactly right, Beam Me Up
and I agree with the need for new leadership and new vision.

Not like it's worked out so well the way it's been.

DR
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:02 AM
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4. Because so many people support her?
I don't believe a Clinton victory is inevitable, but I do think one would be a fool to bet against it at this stage; not because I think she's the best candidate, and not because I give any credence to the claims of her opponents that things are rigged in her favour, but because far more people support her than anyone else, and that's what wins elections.

That *may* change between now and February, but I see no evidence that it will.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:08 AM
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6. They say that just to get under your skin. It's obviously worked.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:25 AM
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7. I am still undecided, and I have to say, the only place I see that repeated, over and over again,
and in an ANGRY way (not a supportive way)

....is HERE.

Really. Sometimes I wonder if I'm in the right place, what with the vitriol.

So much EFFORT to tear one candidate down.

I suppose though, if we are in Upside-Down World here at DU, and Hate Equals Love, then Senator Clinton is, indeed, the frontrunner in that department, since she gets the most mean threads. Obama is second, as he, too, gets plenty of snark, and Edwards is third.

It makes it hard to pick a candidate when it's all shittiness and anger.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:28 AM
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8. Because She Appeals To The Democratic Base
African Americans

Working Class Folks

Older Folks

She doesn't appeal to intellectual elites,hence her lack of support at sites like DU, Kos, and the Huffington Post...
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:59 AM
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9. So, people who have brains can see through the bullshit.. but the
other people can't see through the marketing scheme.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:05 AM
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11. That's It
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 07:16 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
You nailed it.... African Americans, older people, and working people don't have "brains"...

:sarcasm:

I'm going to repost the exchange lest, I got blasted for being a bigot!


"Because She Appeals To The Democratic Base African Americans Working Class Folks Older Folks.
She doesn't appeal to intellectual elites,hence her lack of support at sites like DU, Kos, and the Huffington Post "

Democrat Since Birth


"So, people who have brains can see through the bullshit.. but the other people can't see through the marketing scheme. "

-glowing


on edit- I am not suggesting she is "inevitable" but her appeal to "garden variety Democrats" does make it more likely than not...

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:59 PM
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42. I would say that the majority of the people who like you said are
intelectually elite, i.e., pay attention to a lot of info that the average conusmer doesn't pay attention to, can see through the major marketing push being shoved down their throats. I am not trying to say that the average American who refuse to wake the fuck up and take there heads out of the t.v. for one damn second doesn't have a brain, I'm just saying they aren't using it. And I am tired of these people who don't pay attention, barely even make it to the elction booth on voting day, and bitch about why some stupid law gets passed. Laziness is not an excuse for idiocy, not when so many people around the world depend on their decisions on picking a "decider".
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:00 AM
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10. She's not. No votes have been cast yet. nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:09 AM
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12. Resistance is futile.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:09 AM
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13. The media is trying to make her inevitable
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:09 AM
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14. Don't struggle. You'll only make it worse.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:59 AM
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23. Yes, they are, but it's not working, at least for many of us. nt
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:17 AM
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15. Is she inevitable?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:41 AM
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20. I hope so . That is exactly what I want, but it's funny that I only see
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 08:42 AM by durrrty libby
the haters squawk that meme over and over.

But oh how I would love to see them all hoisted by their own petard :headbang: :applause:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:19 AM
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16. Because Of All Of The Times She's Stood Up And Won!!!
After all, she stood up and won on legislation at least... uh... well never actually.

But she did stand up once on HillaryCare, which kind of won, in a losing sense.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:28 AM
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17. Good points NT
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:31 AM
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18. Because the media says so.
They said Perot was a quack, Gore was boring & thought he invented the internet, Kerry was boring & a coward, Dean was basically crazy because of the "Dean Scream", etc etc etc..... and the worst part is, it worked. People are so easily brain-washed... look how many still believe Sadam = 9/11. (In high school, why do so many vote for the popular hateful rude kids that they don't even like? Because they think that's who's going to win anyway & that's who they're "supposed to" vote for.)

The fact that the media is minimizing Edwards now speaks volumes.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:38 AM
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19. If you're so clever, American, answer this: Who says she is?
I'm not good at being told what to do.I like to come to my own conclusions on my own timetable.

Good. Is anyone telling you what to do? If so, who? Where? Links?

It seems "she's inevitable" has become a big part,perhaps the biggest part of her camapign strategy.

Funny, I can't find that strategy listed anywhere. Do you have references?

Seems to me there are some who are, I don't know, jealous maybe over the almost flawless campaign she has run. Would you propose a media information black out on it so your tender feelings aren't hurt?
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:21 AM
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41. Everybody who is not yet paying attention.
Thats who, Have you been paying attention?

as far as links go I have no interest in any links ever, all I care about is first hand impressions, And I certainly don't care where you got your own first hand impressions.

If I wanted to read long winded articles I'd be at the magazine stand instead of here.


The moment any DU'er strays from what THEY think, THEIR Impressions, I lose interest.

You seem rather bitter, thats a shame, because talking about politics is fun for me, maybe you should develop other interests, become a more rounded person, then it would be easier to relax and comment without the rancor.

nice bit of irony though, first hammering me then remarking on my "tender feeling"

As always the voters have the last word and all of us are just filling time till then.
So Shit. lighten up, switch to decaf.I'm sure your a nicer person than this post would suggest.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:46 AM
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21. Things can change--Obama and Edwards never poll higher
than 20s. Hilary has kept a solid leadin 30s and up

Add to the consistent polling in first place the money
and you have the case for possible inevitability.

Things can change.

I think the fact that Obama and Edwards have not been able
to do a real breakout and their poll numbers stay stabalized
is as much a factor as anything.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:53 AM
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22. 99% of the times you see the word "inevitable" used here
it's by a Clinton-hater who's building a strawman argument to knock down.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:07 AM
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24. it seems to have become the latest anti-hillary talking point
you are 100% correct.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:05 AM
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30. That's right.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:49 PM
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32. Yep.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:35 AM
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26. I don't think it is part of her campaign strategy
I think her campaign would rather lower expectations, especially for Iowa.

"Wild popularity" -- according to polls, people do like her. Maybe the sales pitch has been from the other side -- that she's "polarizing," mean, cold, arrogant, etc. Maybe that's what people aren't being sold on.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:38 AM
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27. She is not. It is the MSM trying to push her on us. Vote for who you want
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:08 AM
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31. Who in the hell is saying she's "inevitable"?
Honestly.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:52 PM
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33. Excuse me - who is saying that?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:59 PM
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34. She isn't. And the more they tell me that she has been "S"elected
the less I support her. For her campaign to be focusing on the inevitable factor will be the last nail in its coffin.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:06 PM
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35. She's not. That's bullshit propaganda. n/t
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 04:06 PM
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39. Thing is, we've seen how well propaganda has worked before....
Unfortunately it worked too well back in 2000 with everyone being made to think Bush was some nice Texas cowboy and we all know what a total lie that is.

But then,some of us sure knew it was bullshit then too.....

DR
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:39 PM
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40. The propaganda machine
is the real powerhouse, isn't it? If people hear it repeated often enough, they believe it, no matter how illogical or nonsensical it is.

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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:44 PM
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36. Well maybe...but
if either Obama or Edwards gets out, then the one remaining solidifies a lot of the "anti-Hillary sentiment". Might that candidate be able to break through? Just a thought; I'm not championing one or the other in this post (although I do have my own preference).:think:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:50 PM
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37. "Inevitability" means squat in the primary.
We have seen the "inevitability" factor bite some in the arse.
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