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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 06:36 AM
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OK, Dennis wins the general. What makes you think he'd be an
effective President? Frankly, I think it would look like what happened to Carter x 10. The Washington establishment would crush him. And Dennis hasn't been an effective legislator in Congress. He hasn't run an effective campaign. It takes more than ideas to be an effective President and get your agenda enacted into law.

I know this is academic. Dennis won't win, but if he did, I think the odds of his getting things through Congress would be miniscule.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 06:46 AM
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1. I can't wrap my head around your subject line assertion!
The guy just doesn't have the numbers.

That said, because you didn't post this to hear that kind of naysaying crap:

Assuming Diebold put him in office, I don't think he'd be that effective, to start. He'd get more pragmatic the more advice he took, and he'd probably survive a single term. He'd likely see a primary challenger for his next term, if he chose to run.

I do think he'd 'take advice' as Prez. He may be an uber-liberal, but he can find his way around DC. He's not a newcomer to the town, he knows how things work--he just doesn't agree with much of it. I suspect he'd move more to the center, too, pissing off his unbending, overly ideological base. Then NO ONE would be happy!
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 06:51 AM
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2. Let's see...
He'd get us out of NAFTA and the WTO since he doesn't need congress to approve those moves. He'd end the occupation since he'd be Commander in Chief. My guess is that he'd get HR 676 passed. There's three biggies that won't happen under any of the others Dems if they're elected.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:06 AM
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3. I doubt it. It's one thing to say it- and easy enough.
It's another thing to do it. And if he did do it, he'd piss Congress off to the point that they'd simply block everything he tried to do.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:53 AM
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12. NAFTA and WTO
can be ended just by notifying Mexico and Canada, there's no need to go through Congress, and it's six months from there. A Dennis win would probably be part of a strong Democratic win, and there's a good chance that there'd be a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate, hence passing HR 676 could go through. Bringing the troops home is an order away from happening.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:13 AM
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14. No biggie on the Congress.
They have moved us backward 100 years in the last six. Might be better if they just lay low and let us catch our breath.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:07 AM
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4. Just ending the war would do nicely for me - thank you very much.
Whatever he does towards health insurance and other corporate grabs will also be very appreciated (veto bills, executive orders etc)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:11 AM
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5. Oh please it's not so unimaginable.
Once the dropped jaws are back in place I think things would go well enough.

A Kucinich with enough votes to win the general would have enough clout to do something, and I'm sure the same folks who put him in office would also grant him a democratic congress.

I think he'd start by bringing troops home, then move on to promote the rise of green industry and fair trade, to turn around the job situation in this country.

Peace and prosperity would be breaking out all over the place, but he'd still take time to re-establish the Fairness Doctrine so that we could actually hear about it.

Then there's the evisceration of the Health Insurance industry and the chasing down of war criminals to attend to. Don't think he'll shy away from that.


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:33 AM
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9. Are you aware of what happened to Carter?
Are you aware that a dem congress would likely buck Dennis only slightly less than a repuke congress would? He'd never get the Fairness doctrine re-established.

Lastly, nothing in Dennis' record convinces me that he actually has a plan for implementing his programs.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:07 AM
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13. So Carter got railroaded, they're not the same. How do you know K. would never
get the Fairness Doctrine re-established? Lots of Dems are talking about it, including my Senator Feinstein who is about as right of left as you can get.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:20 AM
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6. If Kucinich won the general
Assuming two candidates ran, his approval rating at the beginning is over 50% by default. I'd say, given that, that he'd be able to get some things done.

Do you really think that Kucinich would be LESS popular than Bush is? Really?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:30 AM
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8. It's not about unpopular. I don't think that he would be.
That's not my point. It's about D.C. chewing him up and spitting him out; much as it did with Carter, but on steroids. It's also about the fact that he hasn't been an effective legislator.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:27 AM
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7. "Miniscule"
How apt.

:)
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:39 AM
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10. Well, first and foremost, being the C in C, it means that he would get us out of Iraq
And do so a hell of lot sooner than the so-called mainstream candidates. Hell, the top three aren't even promising to have us out by 2013, so that alone makes him head and shoulders above the rest.

Then there's the Supreme Court. What a lovely thought, a justice who is both a social liberal and not a corporatist tool.

A Dept. of Peace would go a long way to redeeming America's reputation in the world community.

Frankly I wouldn't underestimate Kucinich, he's taken on corporations before, and won.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:51 AM
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11. Low Chance beats Zero chance every time.
And zero chance is what you get when you elect a president who has no interest in, or intent to, get a people-friendly progressive agenda enacted.

In that case, I may as well go home and let the corrupt establishment do whatever they want. Since they won't work on an agenda for us. Why vote at all?
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