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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:47 PM
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If Dean, Clark, and Kucinich dropped out, who would you vote for?
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 08:59 PM by JohnLocke
Currently they're the top three. If they bowed out, who would you prefer?
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:50 PM
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1. Edwards
He's my number 2 anyway.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:55 PM
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13. Whoo!
:yourock:
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:50 PM
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2. John Edwards n/t
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:55 PM
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14. Whoo!
:yourock:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:50 PM
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3. Do you mean Kerry?
I haven't seen any recent polls that put Kucinich above 2%.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:52 PM
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9. the top three here at DU
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:53 PM
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10. He's in the top 3...
of popularity on DU.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:07 PM
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22. No, he's not.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:58 PM
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57. yes, he is
.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 04:39 PM
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67. NO, he is NOT!
He consistently finishes fourth or fifth in EVERY Presidential preference poll, GreenArrow.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 08:50 PM
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79. YES...he is...and why
does it bother you so much when he is mentioned as a major candidate??

If you are so sure of your man, why get so upset about a minor non candidate...HMMMM???

just curious..

Oh, and don't give me the same old crap how he takes away from your guy...puhleeese!

at this point...I say they all should have a voice...I'm not letting polls or media or money tell me who I should choose...or for that matter another DUer who is sure he/she has all the answers.

Peace
DR
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:50 PM
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4. Sharpton(if only for the reason to see him go after w in a debate)
if not sharpton gephardt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 04:35 PM
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65. Thanks for the input.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:51 PM
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5. Carol Mosely Braun or Sharpton
Edwards or Gephardt might be able to sway me, with LOTS of work.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:23 PM
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43. Ditto on Sharpton and CMB
I can't see all a scenario, outside of assassination or plane "accident" in which Clark, Dean, and Kucinich will not be in Boston next year with their delegates.

What are the chances that the pro-IWR candidates will be conciliatory to antiwar Americans and admit the war was wrong? Not likely.

What are the chances that antiwar independents will support a prowar candidate in 2004? Rather iffy. You are dealing with people that opposed the war on moral and ethical grounds. They are no more likely to vote for a prowar candidate than a pro-life voter is to vote for a pro-choice one.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:51 PM
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6. Sharpton.
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TexasEditor Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:52 PM
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7. I'd vote for...
Bill Moyers.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:52 PM
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8. Kerry
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 04:10 PM
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63. Kerry here too. (n/t)
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:53 PM
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11. Edwards
of the candidates running.
If those three weren't in the picture, I think Gore might have been. I would go Gore in that case.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:55 PM
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12. Edwards. If just Dean dropped out, I'd vote for Edwards.
I'm 100% behind Dean. At this late date, my primary vote is pretty much sewn up. However, Edwards has been my second choice for some time, and I'd happily support him should he be chosen as the nominee.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:57 PM
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15. I would vote for the remaining Dem candidate who was leading
in the polls in hopes of getting a popular consensus candidate for the general election.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:58 PM
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16. Edwards.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:59 PM
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17. Dick
Gebhardt -
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Clark4Prez Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:00 PM
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18. Kerry
I have always liked John and very early on leaned towards him.

I'm not really sure what happened to his campaign, I know the IWR vote may have hurt him, but it seemed to implode a little quickly. But, the game is far from over so who knows, he may be the nominee yet.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:00 PM
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19. Kerry
Which I may do anyway, not being entirely convinced that Dr. Dean is the second coming.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:01 PM
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20. Kerry
n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:01 PM
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21. Kerry. n/t
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:11 PM
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23. Kerry n/t
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:14 PM
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24. Kerry
because of the incredible Teresa Heinz Kerry, his experience and because the general election will be different than the primaries. I honestly believe he'd give Bush real trouble. I can't explain his current problems. however. John Edwards is a class person all the way-I just don't think it's his time.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:18 PM
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25. OK. But if Dean,Clark,Kucinich,Gep,Braun,Al,Lieberman,& Kerry dropped...
THEN who would you vote for, huh? Who then? Yeah, I thought so.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:25 PM
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29. If Kerry drops out
then my vote goes to Edwards...okay?
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:14 PM
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36. LOL
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:19 PM
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26. Sharpton or Kerry even if....
Dean and Clark stayed in the race, If Kucinich dropped I would still go with my original second choice(s).


TWL
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:21 PM
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27. John Edwards
probably the second best out there...
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YellowDawgDemocrat Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:29 PM
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30. Easy for me....
My first choice would still be in the race, Gephardt. In my mind he is the no-brainer candidate. Whether you like him or not, he has the best chance in a National election...closely followed by Lieberman. Of course, I'm interested in only winning the election, which makes this kind of response unpopular among my fellow DU participants.

Before any of us are going to see the kind of changes we want, we must first win.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:22 PM
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28. Edwards.
In that scenario, he's the only one who would have a prayer.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:31 PM
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31. Edwards, always my first choice
n/t
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:45 PM
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32. Edwards
I really believe we need a Southerner at the top of the ticket to carry some of those pesky Southern States.

MzPip
:dem:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:59 PM
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33. Carol n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:06 PM
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34. Carol or Al n/t
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:06 PM
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35. Braun n/t
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:24 PM
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37. Green party candidate
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:40 PM
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38. In or out - Kerry
Kerry's the best candidate for the Democrats and the only that can beat bush in a general election.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:42 PM
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39. Carol n/t
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LouisFC Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:45 PM
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40. Kerry n/t
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carols Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:11 PM
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41. Kerry
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:12 PM
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42. Kerry, then Edwards, then Gephardt
n/t
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:27 PM
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44. Edwards n/t
.
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:28 PM
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45. Carol, definitely.
Though Sharpton and Edwards wouldn't be too far behind.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:50 PM
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46. They aren't bowing out.
The question is moot. I don't have a definitive choice for the highly improbable. If Dennis Kucinich actually dropped out, I would mull over the following possibilities:

1. Write in Dennis Kucinich
2. CMB
3. Kerry or Edwards

Dean or Clark dropping out wouldn't make any difference.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:56 PM
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47. Won't Happen, But
if that hypohetical situation did occur, I'd go back to Edwards.

I was an early Edwards supporter, became a Dean supporter when I realized he had the best chance at beating Bush.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:49 AM
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48. Sharpton.
The rest are damned due to their support of pre-emptive war or the support continuing use of US troops in the Mid-East (CMB).
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:53 AM
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49. John Kerry
No doubt about it.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 01:00 AM
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50. Tossup
between Kerry and Edwards. I like Edwards more, but I'm not sure that he has sufficient gravitas or foreign policy experience.

I don't like Kerry as much as I like Edwards, but I think he has a stronger resume.
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:38 AM
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51. John Edwards
for sure.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:47 PM
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52. Kerry.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:48 PM
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53. Kerry nt
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:51 PM
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54. I'd just sit at home. Cynide tablets ready....
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:01 PM
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58. Smith & Wesson
Four more of B*** would be a killer!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:54 PM
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55. CMB
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:57 PM
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56. Nobody
I'm serious, no Dean, no vote.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:02 PM
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59. Edwards...
Actually, I'd probably pick him over Clark or Kucinich anyway.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:49 PM
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60. why so many online Kucinich supporters, but so few in the polls?
strange....
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 03:24 PM
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62. Perhaps
I think this board is not representative of the Democratic party as a whole; I think it's more liberal, due to the fact that the people willing to spend time online discussing Democratic politics are more likely to hold more party positions (as opposed to centrist positions). Kucinich, being on the liberal end of the spectrum, probably appeals to this chunk of Democrats more than to Democrats in general.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 08:52 PM
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80. I have a lot of folks who just aren't online
and aren't polled- period. Doesn't mean they aren't out there...just means they aren't counted in that way.
What counts is voting time...
Peace
DR
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:52 PM
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61. Gephardt. The man is very solid on labor issues.
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PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 04:26 PM
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64. Edwards, but only after a period of national mourning...
because that's the only way Dean, Clark, and DK are all getting out of the race.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 04:37 PM
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66. Carol
no doubt about it
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 05:39 PM
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68. The unspoken question is whether we would vote for a prowar candidate
The answer is that no matter what 100% of all registered DUers say about ABB, the reality is that there are millions of Americans that will never vote for a candidate that supported the invasion of Iraq, and that includes those that voted "Yes" for IWR regardless of the rationale they give for that vote.

Under normal conditions those millions of deeply committed antiwar voters would not make much of a difference on an election. However, if 2004 turns out to be as close as 2000, if not closer, the refusal of those voters to vote for the prowar Democratic nominee will be more than enough to bring defeat.

Let this be a warning to those supporters of the Washington establishment!
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 08:29 PM
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76. I disagree.
If these millions of Americans that oppose the war refuse to vote because there's a D opposing Bush that didn't oppose the war, then they would be making a big, and rather surprising mistake.

Those of us that oppose the war, I think, certainly know that one of the reasons we're in Iraq now is because of the lies told by the administration. People don't like to be lied to.

I can't see people refusing to vote for a "pro-war" democrat while knowing that there's a good chance that their refusal means four more years of Bush, Inc.

And four more years of unjust war.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 08:49 PM
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78. Although the Left is fragmented on the ABB issue
Although the Left is fragmented on the ABB issue, for example CPUSA is strongly in favor of ABB, there are many leftist that argue that socialists have no obligation to save capitalism--which is exactly what electing a Democrat (other than Kucinich) will accomplish. They are convinced, and I agree with this analysis, that America is on the last stage of capitalism before its inevitable collapse. Since the collapse of capitalism, particularly the virulent American variant, would be good for the world and for America, why should anyone lift a finger to save something that should be allowed to die of natural causes.

The reason I mention Kucinich, who is still a bourgeois candidate despite his progressive leanings, is that Dennis is willing to change the paradigm of America using her military might to subjugate and exploit other people. Dennis is willing to embark on a journey that inevitably will lead to socialism. A socialist America will be characterized by a just and caring society and responsible world citizenship.

Then there are those that oppose the war in Iraq, as they opposed US activities in Latin America and other regions, on moral and ethical grounds. They are the least likely to vote for a candidate that is prowar. To them ABB is a rehash of "the lesser of two evils," which invariably results in choosing evil.
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GregorStocks Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 05:57 PM
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69. If I could vote, I wouldn't.
Course, I'm 13.

Or just the Green.

Or write in Kucinich.

Or assassinate Bush. ;-)

Yeah, that works.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 06:04 PM
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70. Braun!
Who happens to be my second choice right now.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 06:12 PM
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71. Damn, that's a TOUGH call!
I would likely vote for Gephart or Kerry, and in that order...
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 06:24 PM
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72. Kerry then Edwards. n/t
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 06:28 PM
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73. John Kerry
Actually, it wouldn't bother me to vote for anyone of them. After
Kerry, I'd probably pick Edwards. (He's really easy on the eyes too).
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 06:30 PM
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74. Edwards or Sharpton.
x
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 07:29 PM
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75. Braun
n/t
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One Taste Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 08:32 PM
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77. Edwards
or Kerry
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 08:59 PM
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81. Edwards irrespective of any other comings or goings
same as it ever was.
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