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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:51 AM
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MYDD: NH voters are not too excited about Hillary
I came across this diary of a person who canvassed this past weekend in NH. Of the people they spoke to, there was not a good reaction to Hillary. She seems to have left many cold.

From Hatch's diary:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/24/92643/9368

Members of our group visited around 500 homes in suburban middle-class and upper-middle-class neighborhoods. Very few of us met any definite Clinton supporters. In fact, not a single person I talked to told me that they'd decided to support her. We met a fair number of people who had not yet decided between Obama and Clinton, plus a handful of Edwards and Richardson supporters, and quite a few solid Obamas. The Edwards supporters all said they liked Obama and that they'd like to see Obama as his vice-president, and the Richardson supporter I talked to said that she'd probably vote for Barack if Bill were to drop out of the race. She said that experience was important to her, but that she simply didn't buy the argument that Clinton was the most experienced out of a group of veteran politicians. We also met a couple of Republican-leaning unaffiliated voters, some of whom said they liked what they'd heard of Barack. I even met two pro-lifers who said that they still felt open to voting for him.

We also found a substantial block of undecided voters who stipulated that they absolutely would not be voting for Hillary. Many people I talked to had opinions of Clinton that match my own. They said that she's smart, they respect her, but she's too impersonal and too connected to big business. Voters told me that they don't trust her to focus on the needs of common working Americans. Some folks also said that the staffers and/or volunteers who'd canvassed neighborhoods for her campaign had been haughty, pushy, under-trained, and unprepared.

In a state where retail politics still rule, Clinton doesn't seem to be keeping up with her opponents. Perhaps her currently comfortable poll numbers in the state are making her campaign too lazy. We came across an older woman who complained that a traditional local campaign event was attended by every major candidate but Clinton. She said that she doesn't think Hillary is working for her vote and that she'll be voting for Obama. We met a waitress in a diner who had served Hillary and Barack and said that Obama was personable and down-to-earth while Hillary was impatient and unfriendly. She told us that everyone on her staff had a good feeling about Barack and that he was one of the most impressive of all the candidates who'd come through their restaurant over the years.

After my experience, my sense is that voters in New Hampshire are far from being settled on a single candidate. Now that we're past labor day and all the campaigns are putting boots on the ground, the polls will start to move away from the national numbers. When that happens, I don't think we're going to see a very big lead for Clinton in New Hampshire... if any.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:53 AM
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1. Oh yeah, you're an impartial observer, right?
<snip>

We came across an older woman who complained that a traditional local campaign event was attended by every major candidate but Clinton. She said that she doesn't think Hillary is working for her vote and that she'll be voting for Obama. We met a waitress in a diner who had served Hillary and Barack and said that Obama was personable and down-to-earth while Hillary was impatient and unfriendly. She told us that everyone on her staff had a good feeling about Barack and that he was one of the most impressive of all the candidates who'd come through their restaurant over the years.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:03 AM
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5. The NH Poll has Hillary at 39%, Obama 19% and Edwards 12%
New Hampshire poll (pdf): Clinton 39%, Obama 19%, Edwards 12%, Richardson 11%

http://www.franklinpierce.edu/pages/institutes/poll/poll_07_0917d.pdf
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:06 AM
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7. I believe ya. And I don't even like Hillary. But I do love these Hils/Barrie
wars.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:28 AM
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11. Really...
It's HILLarious how the Obama Camp spends countless hours at RW sites searching for anything anti-Hillary post here.

As soon as I see who the OP is, if it's the usual suspects, I drive on by. But this was an outright Lie..
Hillary is kickin *ass* 2-1 no matter what MYDD diarrhea-ist says!
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:07 PM
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20. Really. Clinton Supporters do the same thing.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:54 AM
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2. New Hampshire voters in both major parties like to surprise us.
Which is great.

Hart scored a big win over Mondale there. Pat Buchanan over Bob Dole.

And just when you think Bradley might be just the kind of guy to win, NH Dems award Gore top prize.

Always a thrill up in New Hampshire.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:55 AM
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3. good! did anyone mention Kucinich? (nt)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:56 AM
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4. Funny. I wouldn't expect a Mydd blogger to admit to finding Clinton supporters anyway.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:05 AM
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6. Blah Blah Blah but the truth is she is dominating in NH
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:09 AM
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8. I volunteer in a phone bank every Sunday....
At Obama headquarters. Lately, our calls all have to do with one thing; "Who are you supporting for the Democratic Primary"? For four hours, straight, I hear ALOT of "I haven't decided yet", and "It's between Hillary and Obama". I'm not making this stuff up. I don't know how the pollsters are coming up with their numbers, but if you talk to as many people as I do in NH every week, you get a very different picture.(By the way, these aren't "persuasion" calls; we simply ask the question and say "thank you for your time".)
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:16 AM
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9. Hardly reliable
In fall 2003 and early 2004 I canvassed extensively in NH: many cities and towns every weekend, all kinds of neighborhoods. I could have written a similar report about Kerry--we ran into almost no one vocally declaring to support him. At most we found a few who said they thought they would be for Kerry but were disappointed in his campaign. Surprise surprise, he won.

Of course, Kerry's campaign was in trouble back then (money, defections), so Iowa helped turn it around for him in NH, where he was virtually a favorite son.

But I predict Ms. Clinton will win handily there. They'll like Obama, but they'll vote for Hillary.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:20 AM
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10. Wow. What a stretch. You're getting desperate. nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:28 AM
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12. I've run into the same thing in Iowa...Dubuque and Davenport...
There are diehard fans for Edwards, Obama, Kucinich and Biden but very few if any solid Clinton supporters. There are still quite a few undecided voters. I don't think there will be much change in the undecided camp for a couple of months...maybe after Thanksgiving...

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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:54 AM
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13. She'll show up in December and they'll love her
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:54 AM
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14. My goodness! From that poster's post, seems like they'll be burning her in effigy soon. Please...
post remarks by impartial posters. This was sooooo obvious that the person didn't even attempt to hide what the purpose of the "canvasing" was.

If Clinton's numbers in NH are "comfortable," then this poster had to have searched high and low to find a group of 500 households, none of whom liked Clinton.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:04 AM
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15. I've seen the same thing among people I've gotten in conversations with lately.
Most of the young people (those who will be voting in their first Presidential election in 2008) I talk to seem to like Obama. A few have met him and find him personable.

The older I've discussed politics with are all undecided. They don't seem to LIKE anyone. I haven't met a single Clinton supporter. The polls say they're out there but I haven't found any.

One thing that I do know for certain (as a NH resident) is that NH voters are not impressed by polls or by hype. We like the personal touch. It isn't quite as simple as the one who shakes the most hands wins. But add in sitting in the most living rooms, walking down the most neighborhood streets, visiting the most local businesses and a candidate is off to a good start. That's why NH can sometimes surprise the nation.

Right now, we all pretty much expect Clinton to come out on top, but that might change if she doesn't make us feel real special. Seriously. That's about how it is in NH. Don't take us for granted because we'll defy the polls if we think you do.

Personally, I haven't got a horse in this race. After weighing every candidate's positives and negatives, it is a dead heat. I'm watching and waiting just like the rest of NH. Come on somebody, IMPRESS US! :)
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:38 PM
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16. This isn't what I've seen
Senator Clinton is VERY popular in NH. Unless something significant happens to change things she should win the primary.

She's been all over the state with large crowds. I'm not sure what this blogger has been seeing.

And, in fairness, I'm not a Hillary supporter.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:40 PM
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17. Nope not excited at all.
Democratic Polls
Franklin Pierce College/WBZ Poll conducted with RKM Research and Communications
9/13/2007
New-Hampshire

Hillary Clinton 36%
Barack Obama 18%
John Edwards 12%
Bill Richardson 10%
Al Gore 5%
Joe Biden 3%
Dennis Kucinich 3%
Mike Gravel 1%
Chris Dodd 1%
Unsure 11%



Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll
9/8/2007
New-Hampshire
w/o Al Gore

Hillary Clinton 35%
Barack Obama 16%
John Edwards 16%
Bill Richardson 8%
Joe Biden 3%
Dennis Kucinich 3%
Unsure 17%
Other 2%
Source



American Research Group
8/28/2007
New-Hampshire
w/o Al Gore

Hillary Clinton 37%
Barack Obama 17%
John Edwards 14%
Bill Richardson 7%
Joe Biden 4%
Chris Dodd 2%
Dennis Kucinich 2%
Mike Gravel 1%
Unsure 15%
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:54 PM
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18. Sheesh
We met a waitress in a diner who had served Hillary and Barack and said that Obama was personable and down-to-earth while Hillary was impatient and unfriendly. She told us that everyone on her staff had a good feeling about Barack and that he was one of the most impressive of all the candidates who'd come through their restaurant over the years.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but isn't there the slightest possibility that this waitress had already made up her mind? D'ya think? Hillary is too politically skilled to be "impatient and unfriendly" when she's out pressing the flesh.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 05:02 PM
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19. I got a call from a Hillary worker this afternoon reminding me to watch
the next debate. He asked if I was still undecided and I told him I wasn't and had decided on Kucinich. Then I brought up Hillary's healthcare proposal. The guy said - without coaching - "It doesn't go far enough, does it?" Bingo!
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